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could the universe began with complete zero!

cohen avshalom

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first question:could the universe began with complete zero-no mass/energy?
second question of me:could area change state,like any other material? from solid(state)->liquid(state) ->gas(state).i mean the area himself the shield-even with full vacuum.

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Answer to first: Quite possibly as witnessed by experiments termed Vacuum Genesis.

Answer to second: I have no idea what you are talking about.
 
In all likelihood the total energy of the universe is still zero.

As for the universe changing state, could be a little more specific about what you mean? There are theories that deal with phase changes of space-time, for example inflation and later the decoupling of light and matter can be regarded as phase changes in some ways. There are even theories that say the start of the universe itself was a phase change. If you clarify exactly what you are talking about we will be better able to answer you.
 
cohen avshalom said:
first question...
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I can't help but notice you submitted an identical post to a different, unrelated thread several days ago.

A quick Google search shows that you've posted the very same thing in more places on the Internet than I'd care to count.

Are you genuinely interested in an actual discussion here or are you simply trying to promote your (nearly incomprehensible) web site? I don't mean to sound rude, but based on these observations I feel compelled to ask.
 
Well, there are some complete zeros who have been through the conspiracy forum, so I'd have to answer "possible". Or mauve.
 
I liked this from the website: "Think about this: It is possible that under your mustache exists a complete galaxy but you do not have the proper device to see it's existence."

I've seen people with facial hair sometimes have a few crumbs of food inadvertantly trapped in their beard but this takes it too amazing new heights.
 
Splossy said:
I liked this from the website: "Think about this: It is possible that under your mustache exists a complete galaxy but you do not have the proper device to see it's existence."

I've seen people with facial hair sometimes have a few crumbs of food inadvertantly trapped in their beard but this takes it too amazing new heights.
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So every time I shave I may be killing off countless living beings?

I AM A GOD!!!!!
 
Splossy said:
I liked this from the website: "Think about this: It is possible that under your mustache exists a complete galaxy but you do not have the proper device to see it's existence."

I've seen people with facial hair sometimes have a few crumbs of food inadvertantly trapped in their beard but this takes it too amazing new heights.
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What's so special about facial hair? Couldn't these subatomic galaxies exist in any hairy region? There's probably an entire universe or two in my belly button lint.
 
That's so wrong, RB, so wrong...

And I have no clue what the OP is trying to get at in the second part of the question, but as Wolverine suggests, it may not be the point.
 
grade A baloney

I hate to be rude but this whole idea smells strongly of a freshmen physics student trying to push his or her own views without a proper understanding of what they are talking about. Being a freshmen physics student myself I recognize the telltale signs. Unclear explanations, many uninvolved and unrelated subjects meshed together, and brief and misleading summaries of ideas. I could be mistaken, but the website in question seems to be purposely unclear. Like I said I do not mean to be rude, please don't take offense, its just that my BS detector is going haywire.
 
"Think about this: It is possible that under your mustache exists a complete galaxy but you do not have the proper device to see it's existence."
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Galaxies under a hair, here and there?

In that case, I've got a few galaxies on my buttocks, but we'd best not talk about my black hole. :jaw-dropp

DR
 
Dumbledore said:
I hate to be rude but this whole idea smells strongly of a freshmen physics student trying to push his or her own views without a proper understanding of what they are talking about. Being a freshmen physics student myself I recognize the telltale signs. Unclear explanations, many uninvolved and unrelated subjects meshed together, and brief and misleading summaries of ideas. I could be mistaken, but the website in question seems to be purposely unclear. Like I said I do not mean to be rude, please don't take offense, its just that my BS detector is going haywire.
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Why yes, yes it is - and no offense taken. Good to know your BSD is in fine condition!! You will need it in some places here!!:)
 
Darth Rotor said:
Galaxies under a hair, here and there?

In that case, I've got a few galaxies on my buttocks, but we'd best not talk about my black hole. :jaw-dropp

DR
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Aren't things supposed to go in a blackhole and never come out? Actually, I think you may have discovered a new celestial body.
 
something for nothing

Thanks I like to err on the side of caution I can get pretty passionate about issues. I also have trouble with the concept that anything much less the universe could come from nothing, this does not sound like a sound idea. From my understanding one cannot create nor destroy energy, so this postulate would discard this concept outright, unless there is some further concept that I am missing.:confused:
 
tracer said:
I've never heard of these "vacuum genesis" experiments.

Hopefully, they were something more substantial than Wilhelm Reich's Experiment XX.
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Sorry ... I should have given some sort of link as to the theory.

A brief description is here.

More detail is quoted here.

And then there's this ...
The Russian cosmologist, Alexander Vilenkin, now at Tufts University, has his own version of the beginning based on the aspect of quantum mechanics in which a particle can appear and disappear in a vacuum like outer space. An account of this theory which appeared in Discover magazine gives us the flavor of how these theories of the beginning of the universe are reported in the popular scientific press not only uncritically, but with a certain sense of awe:

"If a particle can pop into existence from nothing, why not a whole universe? Vilenkin wondered. If space can be thought of as an energy field with an average value of zero, why not think of pre-creation nothingness as a sort of space-time field whose average value is zero? Rather than a virtual particle popping into existence, a whole universe, along with matter and energy and space and time and everything else, pops into existence from nothing. Once he started to think about the universe in this way, he raised the possibility of not just one universe but many. Proto-universes could be popping into existence all the time… The pre-universal nothingness he described was the purest form of nothingness imaginable. Since matter and energy create time and space, Vilenkin’s nothingness had neither. There was no countdown to the Big Bang, because time did not yet exist. In a stroke, he reduced creation from a metaphysical event to a physical one. What had seemed unknowable was suddenly reduced to a set of equations."
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Finally, there's a good read in Discover magazine.

Hope this gives an idea.
 
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I don't understand the 2nd question, but to answer the first question I believe all known laws of physics break down at the singularity. We can determine what happened picoseconds after the Big Bang, but the singularity itself isn't really explained that well.

So yes I think it's possible. Especially without invoking supernatural explanation.
 
I'm no authority on physics, but I've heard it proffered that all the mass and energy we enjoy came into existance along with an equal amount of energy stored in gravity trying to pull everything back together, and that in a uniform universe, that would mean that the sum total of the energy is zero. I'd like to learn a bit more, I guess, though I'm in the applied sciences, not the pure ones.


'course, if the OP managed to think of this idea, he probably came about it bass-ackwards. I can't even parse the second sentence.
 
I might be mistaken but particles popping in and out of existance on the subatomic level has to do with zero point energy, whose value is not zero. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed. The energy can come from anywhere, but it does have to exist.:confused:
 
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