Could Bush lose in November?

[kevinsbikes]

kevinsbikes said:

Bush is not any of those things and if you remotely believe any of that you are engaging in some very lazy thinking.

Perhaps it makes you feel better to say things like that because you find it easier to call people names that you disagree with than to go through the difficulty of thinking about why and dealing with the tremendous uncertainties that are part of the real world.

Maybe you think you'[ve thought a lot about those issues and have distilled down the result of your thought process into this childish diatribe. If that's the case your words don't provide evidence of much ability on your part for rational analysis.

Wow davefoc,
You are a very well spoken dude... I am truly iimpressed. However, you are absolutely wrong. Bush is a very powerful moron. ...and I am not offended in any way that you are a supporter of his maniacal ways. Say hi to what ever preacher runs your crack pot christian religion, as your blind faith in this idiot bores me.

 

[BTox]

Wow davefoc,
You are a very well spoken dude... I am truly iimpressed. However, you are absolutely wrong. Bush is a very powerful moron. ...and I am not offended in any way that you are a supporter of his maniacal ways. Say hi to what ever preacher runs your crack pot christian religion, as your blind faith in this idiot bores me.

Another brain-dead Bush hater. What sewer did you crawl out from?

 

[subgenius]

Another brain-dead Bush hater. What sewer did you crawl out from?

Bush is the brain dead one.
Do you know what he got on his SAT's? (You don't claim he's a world class thinker, do you?)

 

[Stereolab]

subgenius, what do you think he got?

I forget exactly what Time magazine printed a few years back...but whatever it was, I was amazed (in disbelief?) that Bush supposedly got that score. It was maybe low 1200's?

For the record, I did way better than that on my own SATs...and I am not ashamed to say I hate Bush, also. (I'm with kevinsbikes...Dean is by far the best candidate out there...I'll vote for Kerry if he wins the nomination, but I am not very fond of him either.) Anyways, if Bush got 1200+, that is respectable.

 

[Zep]

Bush was a child of privilege, got breaks due to family connections, made millions on insider stock deals, put the stupidest non-sponsored name in history on a baseball field, took pride in the Texas death penalty count during his term, ran a bogus education reform in Texas, trying to implement the same bogus education reform nationally, took us into an unnecessary war where hundreds of American and Brit troops have been killed and thousands wounded, hundreds to thousands of Iraqi civilian bystanders killed and who knows how many wounded. Racked up debt for the foreseeable future but denies it whenever questioned, granted favors for his insider buddies.

The thing about Bush on a personal level that fries me is that he is arrogant. Arrogance just sets me off like nothing else. In my experience, arrogance is a personality trait closely associated with incompetence. I see arrogance in Cheney and Rummy and Ashcroft. I suspect that perhaps the best policy decisions have not been made and will not be made because these guys are twits.

Absolutely ditto agreement from me on this - well said!

And Bush and his team has lost just about ALL respect outside the USA, I can assure you. Right now, the USA looks to be run by a bunch of arrogant gun-totin' cowboy galoots - that can't be good.

Which says that there must surely be plenty of room for a (semi-)competent and respected statesman and team at the helm next time round. Rep or Dem doesn't really matter.

 

[kevinsbikes]

Another brain-dead Bush hater. What sewer did you crawl out from?

The sewer that this brain-dead bush nonliker came from is the sewer of the following:

Tired of christian right pounding their belief system on me, society, and schools.
Tired of the ultra rich becoming even more powerful via tax cuts and loopholes created by lawmakers signed off by the prez.
Tired of a business failure (Bush) throwing a budget surplus into the toilet using voodoo math to fool idiots like you (BTox) into thinking that the big picture is o.k.
Tired of providing the police force for the entire world on my tax dollar in the name of terrorism.
Tired of allowing child labor/prison labor/inhumane work condition products to flow into our nation laying off boucoup American workers.
Tired of the mindset that it is o.k. to allow illegals to work in the U.S. and grant the criminals citizenship.
Tired of footing the bill, via social services to those that don't have adaquate jobs.
Tired of major companies being allowed to base themselves offshore to avoid corporate taxes without penalties.
Tired more minimum wage jobs being created and idiots like you (BTox) thinking this is a great trade off for technical/manufacturing jobs.
Tired of more things that I don't feel that I should mention, because if you don't get it now, you wont get it by the time you are done reading this. BTox, I am ashamed that you think everything is hunky dorie (sp). Our countries economy is spiriling into the can and I am affraid that it is unrepairable. You can't tax $5.00/hour employees and expect to cover the budget. You can't provide social services (which I don't really like) without a working force tax base to fund the social services.
I apologize if I was long winded, but BTox, you, my friend are quite silly if you think Bush is a good president. To the rest of the Forum... I apologize for my ranting.

 

[fishbob]

Originally posted by BTox :

Another brain-dead Bush hater. What sewer did you crawl out from?

BTox - I know you like fishing so you gotta have some smarts. Why do you favor Bush? What has he done that you think warrents re-election? OK - he stood up well in the aftermath of the WTC attack, but what else?

 

[Quasi]

The sewer that this brain-dead bush nonliker came from is the sewer of the following:

Tired of christian right pounding their belief system on me, society, and schools.
Tired of the ultra rich becoming even more powerful via tax cuts and loopholes created by lawmakers signed off by the prez.
Tired of a business failure (Bush) throwing a budget surplus into the toilet using voodoo math to fool idiots like you (BTox) into thinking that the big picture is o.k.
Tired of providing the police force for the entire world on my tax dollar in the name of terrorism.
Tired of allowing child labor/prison labor/inhumane work condition products to flow into our nation laying off boucoup American workers.
Tired of the mindset that it is o.k. to allow illegals to work in the U.S. and grant the criminals citizenship.
Tired of footing the bill, via social services to those that don't have adaquate jobs.
Tired of major companies being allowed to base themselves offshore to avoid corporate taxes without penalties.
Tired more minimum wage jobs being created and idiots like you (BTox) thinking this is a great trade off for technical/manufacturing jobs.
Tired of more things that I don't feel that I should mention, because if you don't get it now, you wont get it by the time you are done reading this. BTox, I am ashamed that you think everything is hunky dorie (sp). Our countries economy is spiriling into the can and I am affraid that it is unrepairable. You can't tax $5.00/hour employees and expect to cover the budget. You can't provide social services (which I don't really like) without a working force tax base to fund the social services.
I apologize if I was long winded, but BTox, you, my friend are quite silly if you think Bush is a good president. To the rest of the Forum... I apologize for my ranting.

Although I do not agree with all of this, I would like to add a few things Bush has claimed, that are outright falsehoods:

One: Embryonic Stem Cell research deystroys embryos and therefore is akin to abortion.

Commment: Stem cell research harvests cells on the outside of embryos and does not deystroy them as the president claims. This is a total lie. Further, the president did not mention that if embryos are not used, they are incinerated in the hospital furnace because they do not last forever. So here, he is merely preventing the development of highly beneficial medicine all in the name of his own selfish power and deceit.

Two: France and the United Nations lied about the WMD in Iraq. Just wait and you will see.

Comment: All the kings horses and all the kings men couldnt find any WMD. Still waiting. Almost been a whole year. The UN is critical to humanity, and the anti UN feelings fostered by the president are extremely dangerous. The UN will fail without the United States and its support, and if that happened, it would likely be a prelude of horrible things to come.

Three: Faith based initiatives work.

Comment: Actually, no. By cutting the finding of non profit, not religious groups and giving the money to christian indoctrination sources for those same services, (and allowing them to discriminate against people applying for work based on their religious beliefs,) is a violation of the US constitution in terms of seperation of church and state i.e. freedom of religion. Should we have a president who so flagrantly discards the constitution? I might be a little rusty, but the swearing in of the president on inauguration day reads something like "I swear to defend the Constitution of the United States of America." Apparently Bush is violating that oath. And I will only briefly mention the right to a speedy trial and camp X-ray in Guantanamo Bay....

Comments?

 

[richardm]

Two: France and the United Nations lied about the WMD in Iraq. Just wait and you will see.

Has he said that? My recollection was that France (and the UN) said that they wanted the weapons inspectors to find the WMD, not that there were no WMD to be found.

I'm not a Bush lover* and don't agree with everything Kevinsbikes said either, but all credit to you, Kevin, for actually producing an itemised list of things you don't like about him, instead of going "Yah boo sucks".


* Is there anybody who is not American that actually likes Bush?

 

[Mr Manifesto]

Has he said that? My recollection was that France (and the UN) said that they wanted the weapons inspectors to find the WMD, not that there were no WMD to be found.

I'm not a Bush lover* and don't agree with everything Kevinsbikes said either, but all credit to you, Kevin, for actually producing an itemised list of things you don't like about him, instead of going "Yah boo sucks".


* Is there anybody who is not American that actually likes Bush?

Tony Bliar, PM of the UK.
John Howard, PM of Australia.

To name but two.

Edit: I'm not trying to belligerently contradict you. I'm hacked off that these two crawled to Bush for what they thought was political gain at the time. May it come back to bite them on the arse.

 

[richardm]

Tony Bliar, PM of the UK.
John Howard, PM of Australia.

To name but two.

Real people, I mean

 

[Mr Manifesto]

Real people, I mean

Ah, good. I was afraid you might have missed my point.

 

[Aardvark_DK]

* Is there anybody who is not American that actually likes Bush?

The Danish PM - who just might be more stupid and more arrogant than Bush. Sad but true.

 

[subgenius]

You know what Dubya got on his SAT's?




















Drool.

 

[Kodiak]

Ah, good. I was afraid you might have missed my point.

No way! Liberals NEVER demonize the right!


No way! Liberals NEVER resort to character assassination or personal attacks!

 

[Monketi Ghost]

I thought those tactics were properties of conservative behavior and thought...

Liberals "demonizing the right" made me laugh out loud... the liberal POV has been bitch-slapped from coast to coast, and somehow liberal has been turned into a dirty word.
That's just funny. Thanks for the larf.

 

[Zero]

No way! Liberals NEVER demonize the right!


No way! Liberals NEVER resort to character assassination or personal attacks!

No, they do...but with neither the energy or enthusiasm of the far right.

 

[Kodiak]

No, they do...but with neither the energy or enthusiasm of the far right.

My evidence lies in some of the posts in this very thread.

Where's your evidence that the right is worse?

Unlike you, I say that no one side is better or worse than the other.

 

[Zero]

My evidence lies in some of the posts in this very thread.

Where's your evidence that the right is worse?

Unlike you, I say that no one side is better or worse than the other.

To my knowledge, no one on the "left" has produced a videotape accusing the president of being a mass murderer. Or accusing the first lady of being a lesbian murderer.

 

[Tony]

...and somehow liberal has been turned into a dirty word.

When a political group has the gall to advocate high taxes, and laws limiting personal freedom while calling themselves "liberal". People start to see the farce, and respond accordingly.