Merged Core-led collapse and explosive demolition

Explosions

http://911lies.org/timeline_discrepancies _911.html

SUMMARY
On September 11, 2001, the seismic stations grouped around New York City recorded seismic events from the WTC site, two of which occurred immediately prior to the aircraft impacts upon the Twin Towers. Because these seismic events preceded the collisions, it is clear they were not associated with the impacts and must therefore be associated with some other occurrence. None of the authorities charged with the responsibility for the investigation of the events of 9/11 have proposed a source for these seismic events, nor have they given a valid reason for the difference in times between the seismic events and the aircraft impacts. Only by consideration of the evidence of basement explosions before the aircraft impacts, as experienced by William Rodriquez and 36 others, can an explanation be found for the fact that the seismic stations recorded seismic events originating from the WTC sites prior to the aircraft impacts. It seems unlikely that Middle Eastern terrorists could have overcome the WTC security and managed this kind of high-level, technological coordination. Do the facts presented here, simple and few, raise the possibility of inside involvement in 9/11/01, both before and after the attack.
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LDEO Published Findings 2001
Link: http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/LCSN/Eq/20010911_wtc.html

LDEO confirmed its data as accurate:
Link: http://www.mgs.md.gov/esic/publications/download/911pentagon.pdf

9/11 COMMISSION DATA AND TIMES
Commission Timeline Link: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/index.html

The Commission’s times are based upon: "We have determined that the impact time was 9:03:11 based on our analysis of FAA radar data and air traffic control software logic." [9/11 Commission Report, pg 460, Note 130]:
Link: http://www.insightful.com/infact/911/corpus/report_470_460.html

BASEMENT EXPLOSIONS

On the face, it seems tenuous that the spikes were "impact times". How does an aircraft impacting the WTC near the 90th floor result in sufficient energy transference that travels all the way down to the earth, even through the massive multi-level, 6-story sub-basement structure, and be picked up by LDEO as a seismic spike? Energy from the crash should have mostly been absorbed by the building’s immense structure and mass.

The following is an excerpt about an eyewitness at WTC1 by the name of William Rodriguez (he worked at the WTC complex for 20 years, was acknowledged a hero for the many lives he saved that day, and he was the last person out of the building before it came down):
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Link: http://www.newswithviews.com/Spingola/deanna17.htm

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Link: http://www.jonhs.net/911/william_rodriguez.htm
 
How can Slick Willie know if an explosion was BEFORE the first plane strike, if he couldn't see it, as he was IN THE BASEMENT? Did they put windows in the basement that nobody else ever noticed?
 
walkyrie said:
Neither NIST's Final Report, nor any of its other documents, attempts to explain the explosiveness, systematic pulverization, speed, or straight-down symmetry of the World Trade Center Disintegration. NIST shows no interest in explaining the catastrophic total and whole WTC disintegration, just blithely asserting that "global collapse" was "inevitable" following "initiation."
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back to your normal word salad...

Oh.. you added in croutons (blithely)...
 
Clayton Moore said:
http://911lies.org/timeline_discrepancies _911.html

SUMMARY



LDEO Published Findings 2001
Link: http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/LCSN/Eq/20010911_wtc.html

LDEO confirmed its data as accurate:
Link: http://www.mgs.md.gov/esic/publications/download/911pentagon.pdf

9/11 COMMISSION DATA AND TIMES
Commission Timeline Link: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/index.html

The Commission’s times are based upon: "We have determined that the impact time was 9:03:11 based on our analysis of FAA radar data and air traffic control software logic." [9/11 Commission Report, pg 460, Note 130]:
Link: http://www.insightful.com/infact/911/corpus/report_470_460.html


Link: http://www.newswithviews.com/Spingola/deanna17.htm

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Link: http://www.jonhs.net/911/william_rodriguez.htm
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ROFLMAO.

you really need to pay attention to the times listed on those seismic records.
 
Clayton Moore said:
http://911lies.org/timeline_discrepancies _911.html

SUMMARY



LDEO Published Findings 2001
Link: http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/LCSN/Eq/20010911_wtc.html

LDEO confirmed its data as accurate:
Link: http://www.mgs.md.gov/esic/publications/download/911pentagon.pdf

9/11 COMMISSION DATA AND TIMES
Commission Timeline Link: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/index.html

The Commission’s times are based upon: "We have determined that the impact time was 9:03:11 based on our analysis of FAA radar data and air traffic control software logic." [9/11 Commission Report, pg 460, Note 130]:
Link: http://www.insightful.com/infact/911/corpus/report_470_460.html


Link: http://www.newswithviews.com/Spingola/deanna17.htm

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Link: http://www.jonhs.net/911/william_rodriguez.htm
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Sooooo. Let me see if I've got this straight. The explosives went off in the basement before the planes struck, which is the first set of spikes on the seismic record, but the plane impacts, which made the buildings sway enough that witnesses say they were knocked down and windows were blown out in the lobby, didn't register.

Uh-huh. :rolleyes:

But let's take this silliness to it's logical conclusion.

From learning about controlled demolitions, I know that the building falls when the explosives remove the supports. I also know the building buckles at the spot the supports are removed, and gravity does the rest.

I guess the buildings fell before the planes hit them, and they buckled at the bottom.

That didn't happen.

So here's a novel hypothesis. The FAA time was wrong.

But how could that be???? They have very accurate time measurement of when radar signals are received.

Consider:

The primary surveillance radar uses a continually rotating antenna mounted on a tower to transmit electromagnetic waves that reflect, or backscatter, from the surface of aircraft up to 60 miles from the radar. The radar system measures the time required for a radar echo to return and the direction of the signal. From this, the system can then measure the distance of the aircraft from the radar antenna and the azimuth, or direction, of the aircraft in relation to the antenna.
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Got that Clayton? The FAA only saw the planes when the radar antenna was pointed at that part of the sky.

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Not so precise after all. :D
 
Clayton Moore said:
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If this has anything to do with my questions this is off the mark. Nobody is surprised that there were reports. My question specifically asks what makes the mere existence them suspicious when everyone knows there were large scale fires in all three buildings. If you want to convince anyone that there is real cause for concern you need to explain why the reports cannot have come from phenomena that are typical of fires.

I'm asking walkyrie, but you're more than welcome to take a crack at it if you think you can address it better. So far it looks like that won't happen...
 
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ladmo said:
Thanks for the nod Major Tom

I certainly hope the discussion continues as I find divergent angles extremely informative. I have gone back and read some threads that both of you have done on this very subject and there is merit in this debate minus the hyperbole.
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That image is one in a sequence. A complete set if images showing the collapse of the WTC1 south wall here:

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911...op=view_page&PAGE_id=238&MMN_position=478:478


You can compare the south wall of WTC1 to the east wall of WTC2.

A model for the WTC2 east wall is here:
http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911...=63&MMN_position=148:148&MMN_position=278:278

That is the best record of WTC2 east wall movement available on our fair planet.


Anyone can compare the WTC2 east wall movement to the WTC1 south wall movement to know they have almost nothing in common.

It is absurd to think that WTC1 failed in a similar way to WTC2, yet that is what the offical account of history claims.

In reality, they just "copied and pasted" their version of the WTC2 failure mode into their version of WTC1. Few if any noticed that the building hardly tilted during the initial failure sequence. Nobody seemed to notice upper part of the south wall fell out and over the lower part (because the NIST was in posession of the evidence for the last 9 years). I figured out what I already suspected within a day after seeing the photos for the first time.


Big clues that almost nobody noticed.


Minimal tilt....Upper part of the south wall falling out and over the lower part during collapse initiation......

The real WTC1 moves quite differently than the official report describes.
 
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triforcharity said:
How can Slick Willie know if an explosion was BEFORE the first plane strike, if he couldn't see it, as he was IN THE BASEMENT? Did they put windows in the basement that nobody else ever noticed?
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I think they had wall clocks and watches by then.
 
It is absurd to think that WTC1 failed in a similar way to WTC2, yet that is what the offical account of history claims.
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I saw an aircraft strike WTC 1.
I saw an aircraft strike WTC 2.

I saw a HUGE fireball in WTC 1.
I saw a HUGE fireball in WTC 2.

I watched WTC 1 burn for ~1 hour.
I watched WTC 2 burn for ~1 hour.

I saw them both collapse. I got a funny feeling they both collapsed under similar circumstances. Call me kooky.
 
Major_Tom said:
That image is one in a sequence. A complete set if images showing the collapse of the WTC1 south wall here:

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911...op=view_page&PAGE_id=238&MMN_position=478:478


You can compare the south wall of WTC1 to the east wall of WTC2.

A model for the WTC2 east wall is here:
http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911...=63&MMN_position=148:148&MMN_position=278:278

That is the best record of WTC2 east wall movement available on our fair planet.


Anyone can compare the WTC2 east wall movement to the WTC1 south wall movement to know they have almost nothing in common.

It is absurd to think that WTC1 failed in a similar way to WTC2, yet that is what the offical account of history claims.

In reality, they just "copied and pasted" their version of the WTC2 failure mode into their version of WTC1. Few if any noticed that the building hardly tilted during the initial failure sequence. Nobody seemed to notice upper part of the south wall fell out and over the lower part (because the NIST was in posession of the evidence for the last 9 years). I figured out what I already suspected within a day after seeing the photos for the first time.


Big clues that almost nobody noticed.


Minimal tilt....Upper part of the south wall falling out and over the lower part during collapse initiation......

The real WTC1 moves quite differently than the official report describes.
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Great site Major_Tom. Although the data was secondary to this:

All observed features are presented in a way that the reader has ample opportunity to verify all information for themselves.
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NoahFence said:
I saw an aircraft strike WTC 1.
I saw an aircraft strike WTC 2.

I saw a HUGE fireball in WTC 1.
I saw a HUGE fireball in WTC 2.

I watched WTC 1 burn for ~1 hour.
I watched WTC 2 burn for ~1 hour.

I saw them both collapse. I got a funny feeling they both collapsed under similar circumstances. Call me kooky.
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You people give veggies a bad name.
 
Clayton Moore said:
You people give veggies a bad name.
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So in your opinion, two exactly the same scenarios should have produced two completely different results?

Why does that not surprise me?

Anyway - how did Larry Silverstein make money off of the plane impact at the pentagon? You STILL Have yet to answer that.
 
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walkyrie said:
Neither NIST's Final Report, nor any of its other documents, attempts to explain the explosiveness, systematic pulverization, speed, or straight-down symmetry of the World Trade Center Disintegration. NIST shows no interest in explaining the catastrophic total and whole WTC disintegration, just blithely asserting that "global collapse" was "inevitable" following "initiation."
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You failed to read them.

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triforcharity said:
And that will help him determine something that he was not capable of seeing?

Are watches and wall clocks magic in your CrazyTown?
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Don't lock me into this but I guess when he heard/felt the explosion he looked at his watch and later noticed that it was different than the time the plane hit the tower.
 
Clayton Moore said:
I think they had wall clocks and watches by then.
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Um what?

He heard the impact reverberate through the steel. Then he heard the explosion/impact from above through the air. Speed of sound through steel is roughly 17 times faster than air (depending on the steel type). Also, prior to you insinuating that a hydraulic press that weighs 100 tons (I love that one) was moved, that's its max pressure. They weigh about 700 lbs.
 
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