Merged Core-led collapse and explosive demolition

[ergo]

The survivors from the core did not mention there were no explosives,

Thank you, Woody - . And yet other survivors from the buildings do mention hearing explosions inside the building, some coming from below where they were, some coming from above. One woman said there were so many it sounded like someone was pushing buttons, detonating them in sequence.

So who do you think is winning on this point?

 

[beachnut]

Thank you, Woody - . And yet other survivors from the buildings do mention hearing explosions inside the building, some coming from below where they were, some coming from above. One woman said there were so many it sounded like someone was pushing buttons, detonating them in sequence.

So who do you think is winning on this point?

simile, like physics, something you don't understand

Did you say a whole moon-full of rubble would not crush the WTC towers? Far out.

you are winning, like Charlie Sheen, no clue what happen on 911, you win

 

[tsig]

Thank you, Woody - . And yet other survivors from the buildings do mention hearing explosions inside the building, some coming from below where they were, some coming from above. One woman said there were so many it sounded like someone was pushing buttons, detonating them in sequence.

So who do you think is winning on this point?

You are aware that in a CD the explosives cause the building to fall?

 

[beachnut]

... it sounded like ...

you discovered simile, almost

It was raining cats and dogs...

 

[000063]

Really? I thought collapse was "inevitable".

I love it when bedunkers trip themselves on their own logic.

Uh, no. I'm pointing out the problems in your hypothetical scenario. Even assuming that one floor, just one floor, was rigged to blow in order to initiate the collapse still calls for dozens of loud explosives.

Thank you, Woody - . And yet other survivors from the buildings do mention hearing explosions inside the building, some coming from below where they were, some coming from above. One woman said there were so many it sounded like someone was pushing buttons, detonating them in sequence.

So who do you think is winning on this point?

The one not misrepresenting the quotes of one Teresa Veliz, who was outside the buildings.

Veliz went down a staircase with a coworker to the concourse level. In the mall, they got onto an up-escalator as the South Tower collapsed, causing a rush of wind which knocked them down. In the pitch black, Veliz and her coworker followed someone carrying a flashlight:

"The flashlight led us into Borders bookstore, up an escalator and out to Church Street. There were explosions going off everywhere. I was convinced that there were bombs planted all over the place and someone was sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons. I was afraid to go down Church Street toward Broadway, but I had to do it. I ended up on Vesey Street. There was another explosion. And another. I didn't know where to run."

http://sites.google.com/site/911stories/insidethenorthtower:witnessaccounts,floo2
And here's her quote again. On a Truther website, not a debunker one.

Remember, hearing damage at a half-mile. Explosions are common in fires, and it's possible the eyewitnesses may have mistaken other loud noises, such as a building collapsing, for explosions. Remember, explosions != explosives.

Good thing I happened to see the relevant RKOwens4 video a day or so ago, or I might not have been able to catch you out so quickly.

 

[A W Smith]

Thank you, Woody - . And yet other survivors from the buildings do mention hearing explosions inside the building, some coming from below where they were, some coming from above. One woman said there were so many it sounded like someone was pushing buttons, detonating them in sequence.

So who do you think is winning on this point?

those survivors were not in the towers when they collapsed

dismissed

 

[Clayton Moore]

those survivors were not in the towers when they collapsed

dismissed

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/300407wtc7explosions.htm

After the initial blast, Housing Authority worker Barry Jennings, 46, reported to a command center on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center. He was with Michael Hess, the city's corporation counsel, when they felt and heard another explosion. First calling for help, they scrambled downstairs to the lobby, or what was left of it. "I looked around, the lobby was gone. It looked like hell," Jennings said.

 

[brazenlilraisin]

The quoted bit is apparently an AP report from 9/11/01. What caused the 'initial blast', a plane crash mayhaps?

When they felt and heard another explosion, the one that wreaked such havoc on the lobby...golly gee willikers, I'll bet the collapse of a 110-story skyscraper next door might just cause that!

 

[TJM]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/300407wtc7explosions.htm

Which isn't what he told the local ABC affiliate in NYC on 9/11 or what he told Dylan Avery years later.

And debunked here.

 

[aggle-rithm]

In 2001, when people thought "Terrorist Attack", they thought of bombs.

A bomb was used in the 1993 WTC attack. Bombs were used in the embassy attacks. A bomb was used in the attack on the USS Cole.

So, naturally, in the midst of a terrorist attack in 2001, when people hear loud noises, they're thinking bombs.

 

[sylvan8798]

After the initial blast, Housing Authority worker Barry Jennings, 46, reported to a command center on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center. He was with Michael Hess, the city's corporation counsel, when they felt and heard another explosion. First calling for help, they scrambled downstairs to the lobby, or what was left of it. "I looked around, the lobby was gone. It looked like hell," Jennings said.

I've always loved this particular trutherism that the explosions which destroyed the lobby were part of the controlled demolition of the building, which then proceeded to stand for another hour and collapse from the top down. What mental gymnastics do you need to go through to believe such idiocy?

 

[GStan]

I've always loved this particular trutherism that the explosions which destroyed the lobby were part of the controlled demolition of the building, which then proceeded to stand for another hour and collapse from the top down. What mental gymnastics do you need to go through to believe such idiocy?

Its worse than you think. Hess and Jennings were in WTC7, which stood for _8_ more hours (after the support columns in the lobby were removed )

 

[jaydeehess]

you discovered simile, almost

It was raining cats and dogs...

Beach, that's 'metaphor', another thing ergo seems to take at face value.

 

[jaydeehess]

those survivors were not in the towers when they collapsed

dismissed

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/300407wtc7explosions.htm

Which isn't what he told the local ABC affiliate in NYC on 9/11 or what he told Dylan Avery years later.

And debunked here.

I've always loved this particular trutherism that the explosions which destroyed the lobby were part of the controlled demolition of the building, which then proceeded to stand for another hour and collapse from the top down. What mental gymnastics do you need to go through to believe such idiocy?

Indeed the quote was that the survivors were not in the buildings when they collapsed and Clayton responds with a quote from a survivor who was in a a different structure (WTC 7) when WTC 2 collapsed.
Hess and Jennings are survivors, true. But they were not in any structure as that structure collapsed. In fact there was NO ONE AT ALL in WTC 7 (thestructure they were briefly in) when it collapsed.

Try harder next time Clayton.

 

[jaydeehess]

Just to note that AFAIK there were only two people pulled alive from the wreckage of the towers, both firefighters.

 

[TruthersLie]

The survivors from the core did not mention there were no explosives, they also didn't mention that there were no UFOs. They also didn't talk about not seeing unicorns nor did the discuss not seeing bigfoot. There is no end to the list of imaginary things that they didn't talk about not seeing.

They didn't specifically state that Mothra was NOT there... therefore Mothra did it.

 

[jaydeehess]

They didn't specifically state that Mothra was NOT there... therefore Mothra did it.

Come on people let's keep this within the realm of things that people actually know exist. Since no one who got out of the WTC structures alive mentions anything about Lucifer rising up out of the basement (hmmm, would explain the 'explosion' and fireball there) it must have been his Underworld Unholiness who caused the collapses.

 

[ergo]

Uh, no. I'm pointing out the problems in your hypothetical scenario. Even assuming that one floor, just one floor, was rigged to blow in order to initiate the collapse still calls for dozens of loud explosives.

Um, no. Here was your claim:

Just one tower would've called for tons of explosives.

Are you changing your story again?

Remember, hearing damage at a half-mile.

So we would have seen extensive barotrauma at the site of the Murrah building bombing, yes?

 

[triforcharity]

So we would have seen extensive barotrauma at the site of the Murrah building bombing, yes?

Yes, we did in fact see lots of barotraumatic injuries after the OKC bombing. Did you see all the people with blood coming out of their ears?

That is the first sign of a barotraumatic injury.

Good call chief!! LOL!!!

ETA: So that way you don't run you mouth, here's the documentation.

http://www.ok.gov/health/documents/OKC_Bombing.pdf

"Forty-six percent suffered auditory injuries;" Do you know what an auditory injury is?

"Forty-nine percent of the study population suffered hearing injuries including ruptured eardrums, short-term or long-term hearing loss, tinnitus, and equilibrium/balance problems."

ALL of these are barotraumatic injuries.

Now, run along.

 

[000063]

Um, no. Here was your claim:

Are you changing your story again?

No, you just don't understand a hypothetical. Of course, you don't understand into vs onto either, so what should I expect? I took you premise, and followed it to its conclusion.

So we would have seen extensive barotrauma at the site of the Murrah building bombing, yes?

That was a 3200kg bomb. This would call for multiple tonnes(one ton is 2000kg) of explosives and equipment. Also, Timmy aimed his explosives through a building, which would produce different injuries from explosives detonating inside a building, designed to force their brisance inward. And as TFC already pointed out, there were BT injuries.