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Corbyn's days (very) numbered?

Aber said:
And now he's backed down



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38568116

and make what you will of his position on Freedom of Movement
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He stands by it but isn't wedded to it. What could be clearer? He's firmly wobbly and resolute for maybe! He's definitely in the perhaps camp and will back indecision to the hilt! Get with the program... or at least ponder it for a while, if you want to, there's no pressure.
 
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Aber said:
And now he's backed down



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38568116

and make what you will of his position on Freedom of Movement
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I take it that he used to be indecisive but now he's not so sure :boggled:

Look, it's fine to vacillate in that way if you a member of the freshers' LabSoc or even if somebody with no particular political opinion who happens to think whatever the last news story or newspaper article tells them. It's not acceptable if you're the leader of the party who is supposed to be providing some kind of counterbalance to the government's disasterous Brexit approach.

Corbyn must have clear views on the subject, it seems that they are either unacceptable for majority of Labour members, supporters and voters (i.e. he's in favour of restricting EU immigration) or the "Leave" rump he's attempting to court so he says something unacceptable to everyone :rolleyes:
 
Between him and May we have a government and opposition whose policies re:Brexit are as clear as mud, and change almost daily.
 
Corbyn is right that the country should be equitably administered. Having a strong economy is not much use if you don't have a roof over your head. The buck stops with the Minister of Health if there is mediocre business leadership, and no beds and no resources, in the NHS. FIFA has been proved to be hopelessly corrupt. They should not be allowed to violate the rule of law. Corbyn is right about that and about pay freezes for everybody except for the Institute of Directors and their remuneration committees. Aslef have been reporting back to their executive committee since the 1950s. Get the trains to run on time.
 
Tolls said:
Between him and May we have a government and opposition whose policies re:Brexit are as clear as mud, and change almost daily.
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That's the official opposition, but there are others opposed - the SNP, the LibDems, and, just perhaps, New Labour re-emerging from Labour. They all have a clear policy : they'd stop it if they could.
 
CapelDodger said:
That's the official opposition, but there are others opposed - the SNP, the LibDems, and, just perhaps, New Labour re-emerging from Labour. They all have a clear policy : they'd stop it if they could.
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The SNP are of course a major power in Scotland but they have fewer than 60 seats in Westminster.

The LibDems are IMO making all the right noises but from a parliamentary perspective they are close to irrelevant.

New Labour splitting off from Labour will, IMO, weaken rather than strengthen the opposition on the grounds that Labour will be what it does best, infighting.

What needs to happen IMO is a sizeable rump of the Conservative Party needs to take an anti-Brexit stand, or at least an anti hard-Brexit stance. They may be like Ken Clarke and be genuine europhiles, they may just be responding to their pro-Remain urban constituents or they may just be obeying their corporate paymasters but whatever, they need to stand up to May.

A narrow vote in favour of an undefined alternative to EU membership does not IMO constitute clear mandate for an economically and socially damaging hard Brexit.

Of course a Labour Party united under a (hypothetical) charismatic pro-Remain leader would be an entirely different matter :mad:
 
(Yet) another by-election for Labour

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38608825

Labour MP Tristram Hunt is quitting as an MP to become the director of London's Victoria and Albert Museum, triggering a by-election.

Mr Hunt, a critic of Jeremy Corbyn, said he did not want to "rock the boat" but had the chance "to have one of the greatest museum jobs in the world".
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One by one the Blairites - or modernisers depending on your point of view - are leaving the parliamentary Labour Party.

Looks like Corbyn will be left with a small cadre of loyalists and the other parties will pick up the seats.
 
The Don said:
(Yet) another by-election for Labour

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38608825



One by one the Blairites - or modernisers depending on your point of view - are leaving the parliamentary Labour Party.

Looks like Corbyn will be left with a small cadre of loyalists and the other parties will pick up the seats.
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Whats the world coming to when the privately educated son of a baron cant use his oxbridge education to represent the working people of Stoke, eh?
 
Labour lose council seat in Sunderland to lib dems, bigger story there is that ukip lost support in a city that voted heavily for brexit.
In other news the lib dems took a conservative council seat but, they are doing such a perfect job it's not news.

Appears the lib dems with the anti-brexit vote have the advantage, whoda thunk it.
 
If you can listen to it, this week's News Quiz was quite cruel - except for poor Mark Steele who is still a true believer, but even he seemed to only manage half-hearted defence of Corbyn's relaunch.

Some of the mockery simply involved quoting exactly what Corbyn said during his relaunch.

Just because he looks a bit like Alec Guinness in Star Wars, it doesn't mean that he is a wise person. He's an intellectual lightweight, and lacks any alternative skillset to make up for it. Any halfway competent leader* of the opposition would be very effective given that the PM seems utterly clueless and has a wafer-thin majority.

ETA: Miles Jupp was more general:

"The relaunch has left many Labour insiders wishing that it had been a more traditional one, and that they'd have smashed a Champagne bottle on his hull before tearfully waving white hankies as he floated into the Atlantic
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*A word I hesitate to use in conjunction with Corbyn.
 
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The Don said:
(Yet) another by-election for Labour

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38608825



One by one the Blairites - or modernisers depending on your point of view - are leaving the parliamentary Labour Party.

Looks like Corbyn will be left with a small cadre of loyalists and the other parties will pick up the seats.
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I've seen a good documentary about the English Civil War made by Tristram Hunt, and heard him talk about history. I found him to be very engaging and knowledgable on the subject.

On the other hand, he seemed to be a pretty rubbish politician judging by his attempts to justify his party's policies on Question Time. That may be to his credit, actually.
 
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