Corbyn's days (very) numbered?

[Giz]

@airfix & giz

Come off it and stop being ridiculous. If you are fooling yourselves with this nonsense, I regret that. But I'm not going to be misdirected by such balderdash. "Being the first to suggest we should take Syrian refugees" and "slamming the move to let 20,000 refugees in over five years" are not quite the same thing. So please spare me any more of this.

Simple question: should we prioritize the most at-risk refugees?

Dodging looks bad.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Simple question: should we prioritize the most at-risk refugees?

Dodging looks bad.

We dont need to prioritize refugees. They all need help. And we have capacity to help them all if we stop pissing around and listening to right wing commentators.

Stop making excuses and get behind the right team.

 

[ceptimus]

But we still need a way to tell if a person really qualifies as a refugee? Or do you think we should allow anyone who wants to come and live here to do so?

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

But we still need a way to tell if a person really qualifies as a refugee? Or do you think we should allow anyone who wants to come and live here to do so?

I do think that.

But its irrelevant to question being asked.

 

[Giz]

I do think that.
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I suppose that might be feasible if you live in Scotland. People actually want to move to London though. Lots of people. More than can be absorbed.

 

[Craig B]

Simple question: should we prioritize the most at-risk refugees?

Dodging looks bad.

I've said it already. Come off it! Here's an even simpler question: are "being the first to suggest we should take Syrian refugees" and "slamming the move to let 20,000 refugees in over five years" the same thing?

This second idea was said by Trump to prevent Christians from being aided. But in any case did Cameron say that none of the 20,000 received from the camps over five years were to be Christians? Do we currently have a policy of refusing entry to Christian refugees from majority Muslim countries? Or is Trump being mischievous for motives too obvious even to need stated? If so, you are one of the few people obtuse enough to be deceived by him.

 

[jimbob]

Does this mean you consider the research flawed?

I haven't seen the research, do you have a link?

My friends who are Corbyn supporters, however are unaware of many of his statements supporting violent bigots and vicious dictators, showing that his support for non violence is very... selective.

I can see why the press might want to keep their powder dry, but the they haven't attacked Corbyn for really demonstrating views that they attempted to ascribe to previous Labour leaders. However bad his press has been, it is not as bad as one might expect.

 

[jimbob]

Traingate is somewhat trivial but highlights Corbyn's ineptitude. The stunt was appropriate for someone holding a junior transport brief or a local MP.

There were plenty of seats free, he sat down before the first stop and it's perfectly acceptable to sit in a reserved seat if it's free after the train has left the station, or if it's not reserved for that part of the journey.

 

[GlennB]

I haven't seen the research, do you have a link?

My friends who are Corbyn supporters, however are unaware of many of his statements supporting violent bigots and vicious dictators, showing that his support for non violence is very... selective.

I can see why the press might want to keep their powder dry, but the they haven't attacked Corbyn for really demonstrating views that they attempted to ascribe to previous Labour leaders. However bad his press has been, it is not as bad as one might expect.

Here, for example (pdf)

 

[MCel58]

I suppose that might be feasible if you live in Scotland. People actually want to move to London though. Lots of people. More than can be absorbed.

This is actually part of the problem, the country needs immigration but it also needs those migrants to be spread over the whole of the U.K., contributing not just to the national economy but to local economies by paying local taxes and in many cases providing local jobs.

This needs a new policy for jobs and housing and the economy to be spread over the whole of the U.K. making the whole of the U.K an attractive proposition for migrants and citizens. Whether, this can be achieved against a background of a London centric government, low wages, zero hours contracts, too few houses or poor housing conditions and large numbers of the population now too elderly to work and increasingly dependant on health and care services is still to be seen but migration is not the problem here it is part of the solution.

However, in the case of Scotland there is always the issue of climate. No-one, even the Scots, enjoy 260 days of rain a year !

 

[Airfix]

I've said it already. Come off it! Here's an even simpler question: are "being the first to suggest we should take Syrian refugees" and "slamming the move to let 20,000 refugees in over five years" the same thing?

You missed this bit out this time:

Basically what Cameron has done pretty much excludes any Christians from coming.

I just feel that the Christians are being ignored.

Even if he's got his facts wrong about what is happening, is his statement of concern morally wrong ?
No it isn't.

 

[Airfix]

This is actually part of the problem, the country needs immigration but it also needs those migrants to be spread over the whole of the U.K., contributing not just to the national economy but to local economies by paying local taxes and in many cases providing local jobs.

Asylum seekers are not allowed to work, but if as I am proposing their refugee status is achieved before they even enter Britain, there would be no obstacle to employment of refugees (if they're qualified for the particular job they apply for).

This needs a new policy for jobs and housing and the economy to be spread over the whole of the U.K. making the whole of the U.K an attractive proposition for migrants and citizens.

It already is an attractive proposition for migrants:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36382199

But I agree, there needs to be a new policy for jobs, housing and the economy, and the roads and railways too.

Whether, this can be achieved against a background of a London centric government,

Hit
nail
head.

Good point.

The UK economy should not be as London centric as it is.

Low wages, zero hours contracts, too few houses or poor housing conditions and large numbers of the population now too elderly to work and increasingly dependant on health and care services is still to be seen but migration is not the problem here it is part of the solution.

Agreed.

However, in the case of Scotland there is always the issue of climate. No-one, even the Scots, enjoy 260 days of rain a year !

260 days of rain? That sounds like Fort William.

 

[Airfix]

Nice of you to show the (heavily cropped) image of the FOOD BAR carriage, as reported by The Sun ('nuff said?), where passengers don't take up residence for their journey.

And this is exactly the point about 'bad press' and the utter shamelessness of much of the British media.

Good point.

 

[Airfix]

I haven't seen the research, do you have a link?

My friends who are Corbyn supporters, however are unaware of many of his statements supporting violent bigots and vicious dictators, showing that his support for non violence is very... selective.

I can see why the press might want to keep their powder dry, but the they haven't attacked Corbyn for really demonstrating views that they attempted to ascribe to previous Labour leaders. However bad his press has been, it is not as bad as one might expect.

Not as bad as it would get come the 2020 election.

 

[Craig B]

You missed this bit out this time:


Even if he's got his facts wrong about what is happening, is his statement of concern morally wrong ?
No it isn't.

It is mischievous unless there is evidence that Cameron intended to exclude Christian Syrian refugees from entering the UK. What evidence is there?

You know what Farage us up to with this stuff. Suppose in the 1950s a charity gave aid to poor Americans, including Black ones, and the a White supremacist organisation was to complain that spending any of this money on Black people prevented an equivalent proportion of White people from being helped (as in fact it would if the resources are finite, as they always are) although there was no suggestion of racial discrimination by the charity. Would you argue that the supremacist objectors were "not morally wrong", because there are plenty of poor White people in the USA?

This is absurd, or rather utterly disingenuous; and you are doing no credit to the cause you support by repeatedly exposing us to such nonsense.

 

[jimbob]

Not as bad as it would get come the 2020 election.

Yes, which was why I was referring to the press keeping their powder dry. It does make Corbyn vulnerable and less electable, as the press wouldn't need to lie.

 

[Manger Douse]

Nice of you to show the (heavily cropped) image of the FOOD BAR carriage, as reported by The Sun ('nuff said?), where passengers don't take up residence for their journey.
And this is exactly the point about 'bad press' and the utter shamelessness of much of the British media.

Rubbish

 

[Craig B]

Rubbish

What is rubbish? Did the Sun do what is alleged? Or if it did, is that not "bad press"?

 

[Manger Douse]

Your claim that passengers don't take up residence for the journey on the seats in the buffet car

 

[GlennB]

Your claim that passengers don't take up residence for the journey on the seats in the buffet car

It was my claim and, yes, it appears that it is "rubbish" - it's a normal carriage that's simply adjacent to the food bar. But other passengers confirm that those seats were occupied by children and the luggage of people who had gone to the food bar, which is why they appear empty.

Later Virgin staff showed Corbyn to a seat in that carriage when a family was upgraded from there into 1st class.

Virgin and the media still cheerfully lied.