Corbyn's days (very) numbered?

[baron]

The BBC is an establishment mouthpiece. The current Conservative administration is to the right of Thatcher's and it controls the BBC, with self-confessed conservatives in top positions in the ruling hierarchy and in the news department, which has taken to broadcasting politically motivated lies. In the lead-up to the election it has shown a consistently right wing bias, giving disproportionate air-time, for example, to the tiny, quasi-fascist UKIP, a party now reabsorbed in the Conservative party.

You're off the deep end. I don't know where you get this from.

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Research confirms its extreme bias

"The researchers' quantitative analysis of BBC News at Six shows that critics of Corbyn were given twice as much airtime as his supporters, and that the issues mobilised by his critics were given much greater prominence. The researchers also noted the pejorative language BBC reporters used to describe Jeremy Corbyn, his team and his supporters."

Yes, that's because Corbyn's antics are far more criticism-worthy than those of all his political opponents put together. The mandate of the BBC is to report the news, not give all subjects equal airtime. Not that this stops the BBC pushing a strong and consistent left-wing bias.

 

[MikeG]

........Looks like people here were off a mile or so

Looks like you missed that Corbyn lost. He lost as badly as Brown did. Theresa May won more votes than Blair did in his 1997 landslide. Your "left wing fanatacism" (your words) is getting the better of you.

 

[baron]

Looks like you missed that Corbyn lost. He lost as badly as Brown did.

Corbyn missed that too. Maybe someone needs to tell him.

 

[Worm]

Looks like you missed that Corbyn lost. He lost as badly as Brown did. Theresa May won more votes than Blair did in his 1997 landslide. Your "left wing fanatacism" (your words) is getting the better of you.

It's not about votes though is it? Why does it always seem to come back to this kind of discussion?

Yes, you are factually correct. (I'm basing this on Wikipedia figures, so they could be slightly out, but should be broadly accurate)

1997 - Lab : 13,518,167
2017 - Con : 13,616,601

So more. Slightly more, but more.

But the electoral base is different. The population has increased, so you would expect to see more votes.

But that is besides the point. What matters is seats. That's how we do elections in this country.

On that basis:

1997 - Lab : 418
2017 - Con : 318

So 100 less. Exactly what that means in terms of the politics is beyond my ken. But the numbers are the numbers.

In terms of the gap in seats, Corbyn has fared about the same as Gordon Brown, perhaps a little worse. But Brown was in government and lost nearly 100 seats. Corbyn is in opposition and gained over 30. He lost, absolutely, but it was a far better result than many people predicted when the election was called.

As I said, the politics are not my concern, let's not be drawing false comparisons with previous elections.

 

[lupus_in_fabula]

Looks like you missed that Corbyn lost. He lost as badly as Brown did. Theresa May won more votes than Blair did in his 1997 landslide. Your "left wing fanatacism" (your words) is getting the better of you.

Yeah...

Seats: Brown lost 91 | Corbyn gained 29

Vote share (swing): Brown lost 6.2% | Corbyn gained 9.5%

 

[Antonio Coceri]

Looks like you missed that Corbyn lost. He lost as badly as Brown did. Theresa May won more votes than Blair did in his 1997 landslide. Your "left wing fanatacism" (your words) is getting the better of you.

This is not what people said
They said that Corbyn would have wiped out the UK business and olitical landscape
He instead gained seats
In case you did not notice

 

[MikeG]

.........Corbyn has fared about the same as Gordon Brown, perhaps a little worse. But Brown was in government and lost nearly 100 seats. Corbyn is in opposition and gained over 30. He lost, absolutely, but it was a far better result than many people predicted when the election was called.......

Thanks.
I was simply helping our new left wing fanatic with a little perspective. He seems to be under the delusion that Corbyn won, or something.

 

[Matthew Best]

He did get a bigger percentage share of the popular vote than Ed Miliband, Gordon Brown, Tony Blair in 2005, Neil Kinnock, Michael Foot, Jim Callahan, and Harold Wilson (1974). Only Blair and Wilson have got a higher proportion as Labour leader in the last 50 years.

 

[dudalb]

Corbyn has proved he is a great campaigner against a very weak Tory campaign.
Whether he can a great party leader remains to be seen.
Question is can he moderate his opinions to win over the middle class voters he needs to win power while not alienating his core of leftwing supporters.

 

[Darat]

He did get a bigger percentage share of the popular vote than Ed Miliband, Gordon Brown, Tony Blair in 2005, Neil Kinnock, Michael Foot, Jim Callahan, and Harold Wilson (1974). Only Blair and Wilson have got a higher proportion as Labour leader in the last 50 years.

What a failure!

 

[baron]

Corbyn has proved he is a great campaigner against a very weak Tory campaign.
Whether he can a great party leader remains to be seen.
Question is can he moderate his opinions to win over the middle class voters he needs to win power while not alienating his core of leftwing supporters.

Losing 318 to 261 against a 'very weak' Conservative campaign makes him a 'great campaigner'? That's an interesting assessment.

 

[Craig B]

Losing 318 to 261 against a 'very weak' Conservative campaign makes him a 'great campaigner'? That's an interesting assessment.

May didn't call an election merely to "win". She already had a majority, and years of mandate to run. She called it to increase her majority to be able to impose Brexit. This she failed to do; so she is humiliated, and may well soon be ousted. [At this moment the BBC news programme is calling her enterprise "a throw of the dice that failed spectacularly."]
Meanwhile the "terrorist antisemitic extreme leftist" Corbyn gained the greatest increase in support since 1945. May has to call on the DUP to remain in power. May a Catholic and Ruth Davidson, Scottish Tory leader, a woman in a gay marriage, in power thanks to these bigots. How long will that last?

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

May didn't call an election merely to "win". She already had a majority, and years of mandate to run. She called it to increase her majority to be able to impose Brexit. This she failed to do; so she is humiliated, and may well soon be ousted. [At this moment the BBC news programme is calling her enterprise "a throw of the dice that failed spectacularly."]
Meanwhile the "terrorist antisemitic extreme leftist" Corbyn gained the greatest increase in support since 1945. May has to call on the DUP to remain in power. May a Catholic and Ruth Davidson, Scottish Tory leader, a woman in a gay marriage, in power thanks to these bigots. How long will that last?

Do what now?

 

[Darat]

Do what now?

Some people got confused about her religion, for some reason they thought she was Roman Catholic, I think they got confused about her being an Anglo-Catholic i.e. Church of England.

ETA: Just realised - I think what's confused you is the "May a Catholic and Ruth ...."? He was referring to Theresa May i.e. "[Theresa] May and Ruth ...."

 

[baron]

May didn't call an election merely to "win". She already had a majority, and years of mandate to run. She called it to increase her majority to be able to impose Brexit. This she failed to do; so she is humiliated, and may well soon be ousted. [At this moment the BBC news programme is calling her enterprise "a throw of the dice that failed spectacularly."]

Yes, her judgement was terrible. How does that go against what I said?

Meanwhile the "terrorist antisemitic extreme leftist" Corbyn gained the greatest increase in support since 1945.

Again, I don't disagree. Even though Corbyn lost decisively, he did garner a great deal of support considering he's a terrorist-loving leftist anti-semite. Hitler also had some success with the electorate, as I recall.

May has to call on the DUP to remain in power. May a Catholic and Ruth Davidson, Scottish Tory leader, a woman in a gay marriage, in power thanks to these bigots. How long will that last?

May's not a Catholic and I doubt the fact that Ruth Davidson is gay, like a number of MPs, will have any bearing on anything.

 

[Darat]

...snip... I doubt the fact that Ruth Davidson is gay, like a number of MPs, will have any bearing on anything.

Of course not...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...age-climate-change-who-are-they-a7781656.html

...snip...
Ian Paisley Jr, son of the party’s founder Ian Paisley, has previously called homosexuality “immoral, offensive and obnoxious” and said he was “repulsed” by gays and lesbians.

The party once championed a campaign called “Save Ulster from Sodomy”.

Former DUP health minister Jim Wells told a South Down hustings in 2015: “The gay lobby is insatiable, they don’t know when enough is enough”.

He also said children who were raised in a homosexual relationship were more likely to be abused or neglected. He later apologised for the comments.

DUP politician Trevor Clarke last year said he thought only gay people could contract aids and HIV.

...snip...

 

[Garrison]

Well it appears that the answer to the OP is yet again, no. He's always struck me as having the charisma of a traffic accident and yet he seems to have encouraged a significant number of young people to get out and vote Labour.

 

[Craig B]

Yes, her judgement was terrible. How does that go against what I said?



Again, I don't disagree. Even though Corbyn lost decisively, he did garner a great deal of support considering he's a terrorist-loving leftist anti-semite. Hitler also had some success with the electorate, as I recall.



May's not a Catholic

Sorry, my error. I inferred it from a biographical detail "She spent a short spell at an independent Catholic school before going on to become a convent schoolgirl"

and I doubt the fact that Ruth Davidson is gay, like a number of MPs, will have any bearing on anything.

It has no bearing with any reasonable people, but but it is an issue of principle for the DUP to whom the Tories owe their ability to form a government. That is the point.

Corbyn isn't a Hitler, and you still haven't sustained your accusation that he wants to ban the use by police of arms in dealing with terrorist murderers. That is simply unscrupulous defamation.

 

[Giz]

Today I had a look at some past comments about Corbyn
Quite funny, indeed

..and so on..
Looks like people here were off a mile or so

I admit, i made two fundamental miscalculations which led to me not anticipating corbyn not losing disastrously:
Firstly, I thought that the Tories would run a somewhat competent campaign, rather than threatening to shoot their core vote in the foot.
Secondly, I thought that more young people (i.e. under 50) possessed patriotism or descernment (one of the most amazing myths is that Corbyn is a decent man. .. about on a level with Brown being careful with public spending).

 

[ddt]

Sorry, my error. I inferred it from a biographical detail "She spent a short spell at an independent Catholic school before going on to become a convent schoolgirl"

You get the biographical details of your PM from the Daily Mail?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3694295/Theresa-takes-break-whirlwind-start-PM-attend-Sunday-church-husband-Philip-side.html

(oh, and the para above that says here father was a CofE vicar).