Corbyn did win, what's next?

Damien Evans said:
Er, no. No I didn't. Not even a little bit.
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Oh right. So if, in a thread about national politics, you said I was unelectable, I could counter with a claim that I could win an election to the local tennis club committee? This would make me right?

Make a contribution to threads I'm posting in and stop sniping.
 
Undesired Walrus said:
The main problem is this baffling disregard from Corbyn and his supporters for people (Blair, Mandelson, Brown etc) who delivered three consecutive electoral wins and undeniably enacted Labour Policies during their time in office.
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Many Labour supporters evidently equate winning UK general elections as selling out. In this regard, Brown and Miliband no doubt lost far too narrowly and they approvingly look forward to Corbyn producing a thumping loss that will put 2010 and 2015 Labour to shame.

More seriously I hope Corbyn is replaced before 2020 but I think this will now be difficult. Separately I hope that the LibDems gain many supporters from Labour but that would take a long time fresh after the LibDem annihilation in May.

I can't prove Corbyn is unelectable. I sure hope so.
 
Francesca R said:
Many Labour supporters evidently equate winning UK general elections as selling out. In this regard, Brown and Miliband no doubt lost far too narrowly and they approvingly look forward to Corbyn producing a thumping loss that will put 2010 and 2015 Labour to shame.

More seriously I hope Corbyn is replaced before 2020 but I think this will now be difficult. Separately I hope that the LibDems gain many supporters from Labour but that would take a long time fresh after the LibDem annihilation in May.
I can't prove Corbyn is unelectable. I sure hope so.
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Yep, if you want to leave Labour - the unelectable party - for better prospects, Lib Dems is probably the last one you would go to.
 
Francesca R said:
Many Labour supporters evidently equate winning UK general elections as selling out. In this regard, Brown and Miliband no doubt lost far too narrowly and they approvingly look forward to Corbyn producing a thumping loss that will put 2010 and 2015 Labour to shame.

More seriously I hope Corbyn is replaced before 2020 but I think this will now be difficult. Separately I hope that the LibDems gain many supporters from Labour but that would take a long time fresh after the LibDem annihilation in May.

I can't prove Corbyn is unelectable. I sure hope so.
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That is weird. You mock "Labour supporters" who think losing is just dandy, and then you say you hope Corbyn is unelectable. So you also hope he'll produce "a thumping loss".
 
Francesca R said:
Many Labour supporters evidently equate winning UK general elections as selling out.
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No, evidently many reject the idea of 'winning at all costs' when that requires the party to move ever rightwards. Then they vote SNP, Green, or just abstain entirely.
 
GlennB said:
No, evidently many reject the idea of 'winning at all costs' when that requires the party to move ever rightwards. Then they vote SNP, Green, or just abstain entirely.
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I wonder why it is that nobody argues that the Greens should just drop their obsession with the environment, or that the Scottish Nationalist Party should start appealing to English voters - more of them, after all! - or that UKIP should hedge their bets with a pro-European wing?
 
angrysoba said:
I wonder why it is that nobody argues that the Greens should just drop their obsession with the environment, or that the Scottish Nationalist Party should start appealing to English voters - more of them, after all! - or that UKIP should hedge their bets with a pro-European wing?
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Comparing single issue fringe parties with a (previously ) responsible, potential government in waiting.
 
Giz said:
Comparing single issue fringe parties with a (previously ) responsible, potential government in waiting.
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I'm not sure I would call a party "fringe" which has won 54 of the 57 seats it contested and has proven to be a responsible government party for two terms in the regional government.
 
Ambrosia said:
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There's no reason to assume that Labour under Corbyn will start pushing loony left wing policies. While Corbyn himself might be further left than most, he doesn't decide party policy by himself, and he needs to get his party to back his policies. I think that will temper the Labour parties output in the coming months and Labour policy as a whole will shift back to being a little left of centre overall.
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According to one of the very few (only?) evidence based piece of research we seem to have is that Labour would have had more voters at the last general election if it wasn't seen to be moving towards the Tories.
 
ddt said:
I'm not sure I would call a party "fringe" which has won 54 of the 57 seats it contested and has proven to be a responsible government party for two terms in the regional government.
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Stood in 8% of the nation's areas and won 50% of the votes in that little bit. Sounds kinda niche.
 
Darat said:
According to one of the very few (only?) evidence based piece of research we seem to have is that Labour would have had more voters at the last general election if it wasn't seen to be moving towards the Tories.
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In what world was ed moving the party to the right? How do folks even come up with this stuff?
 
I hope he shakes the Westminster tree and causes a few ructions and some change. A new PMQs was a great start.
 
Giz said:
In what world was ed moving the party to the right? How do folks even come up with this stuff?
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There may be a difference between what is actually happening from your point of view and what seems to be happening to a whole load of actual voters. The statement that "Labour would have had more voters at the last general election if it wasn't seen to be moving towards the Tories" does not necessarily mean that it was moving to the right.
 
Darat said:
According to one of the very few (only?) evidence based piece of research we seem to have is that Labour would have had more voters at the last general election if it wasn't seen to be moving towards the Tories.
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Which piece of research is this referring to?

It's not Crudas' report into the Labour party's performance at the general election, is it? That's been noticeable for its absence from these pages:

The first hard truth is that the Tories didn’t win despite austerity, they won because of it. Voters did not reject Labour because they saw it as austerity lite. Voters rejected Labour because they perceived the Party as anti-austerity lite. 58% agree that, ‘we must live within our means so cutting the deficit is the top priority’. Just 16% disagree. Almost all Tories and a majority of Lib Dems and Ukip voters agree.
Amongst working class C2DE voters 54% agree and 15% disagree. Labour voters are evenly divided; 32% agree compared to 34% who disagree.
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ddt said:
I'm not sure I would call a party "fringe" which has won 54 of the 57 seats it contested and has proven to be a responsible government party for two terms in the regional government.
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It's because Scotland is a "fringe" country in the minds of UK imperialists.
 
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