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Corbyn did win, what's next?

The Don said:
"His" policies, whatever you imagine them to be, would have to make it through the Labour Party Conference first.
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Which is beside the point, as his supporters want his policies to be enacted, yes?
 
WildCat said:
I'm well aware of the definition of the word "socialist", and Corbyn claims to be a socialist as the word is correctly defined.

Now, do you care to explain how it is that Corbyn's socialist policies, the same ones that have failed spectacularly everywhere they've been tried, would find success in the UK?
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I'd be interested to learn which of his policies have failed so spectacularly ?

Rail nationalisation is doing pretty well in France and Germany
 
The Don said:
"His" policies, whatever you imagine them to be, would have to make it through the Labour Party Conference first. Given that the same body has been responsible for policy for years, I don't see it differing significantly on major points except in tone. The areas where Corbyn's policies are most radical are:

  • Getting rid of the UK's nuclear weapons. Although personally I support this (and hope that most of the money would find its way into suporting conventional forces), it's far from the majority opinion in the Labour party
  • Reversing the caps on benefits which hit the poorest with the largest families worst - this may gain popular support if pitched correctly
  • Renationalisation of the rail industry. This has already been partly done thanks to the failure of Railtrack. I think that rail privatisation has been an expensive mistake. Fares are far higher in real terms but so is subsidy
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These policies (and others of his) may be "radical" but they are supported by the majority of the public,. Indy article
 
WildCat said:
I'm well aware of the definition of the word "socialist", and Corbyn claims to be a socialist as the word is correctly defined.

Now, do you care to explain how it is that Corbyn's socialist policies, the same ones that have failed spectacularly everywhere they've been tried, would find success in the UK?
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And trotting it out again. I'm glad that you know the 'correct' definition of socialism. Can you, as already asked, name some policies that are both his and characteristic of the communist states that 'failed spectacularly'?
 
Lothian said:
Which policies of his specifically are you referring to? With links please.

If your point was not a serious contribution and instead was a pathetic cheap shot from an ignorant troll please accept my apologies.
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I'm staggered that anyone here is actually engaging WildCat as he trolls his usual shtick. By quoting him you're using up my precious screen real-estate ;)
 
Lothian said:
Which policies of his specifically are you referring to? With links please.
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Printing money so the government can spend more "for the people".

When has this ever not resulted in hyperinflation? Isn't this what Venezuela is doing today and Argentina did in the past?
 
WildCat said:
Which is beside the point, as his supporters want his policies to be enacted, yes?
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His supporters may do (I don't know if all supporters support all stances on all issues), but the process of getting policy through conference is not as simple as electing the leader.
 
WildCat said:
Which is beside the point, as his supporters want his policies to be enacted, yes?
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This is utterly nonsensical. Of course his supporters want his policies to be enacted. Yes.

Don't bother responding to my recent post.
 
GlennB said:
I'm staggered that anyone here is actually engaging WildCat as he trolls his usual shtick. By quoting him you're using up my precious screen real-estate ;)
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How are Corbyn's preferred policies working out in Greece Glenn? Paradise, right?

Power to the people!
 
Craig B said:
This is utterly nonsensical. Of course his supporters want his policies to be enacted. Yes.

Don't bother responding to my recent post.
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Then why can't we discuss what the results those policies would likely entail?
 
WildCat said:
Printing money so the government can spend more "for the people".

When has this ever not resulted in hyperinflation? Isn't this what Venezuela is doing today and Argentina did in the past?
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The UK government has since March 2009 printed £375,000,000,000 extra money.

Inflation was 2.2% at the start of that period, It has averaged around 2.5% since then.

In the same periods the USA (Inflation 0.2%) has printed $4,500,000,000,000 extra greenbacks*.







* obviously the money is not literally printed these days it is created electronically.
 
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WildCat said:
Railways are an odd example to use, since it is impossible to have a private railway without massive government assistance, for example using eminent domain to acquire the land.

But you're claiming the government could run a railroad at a lower cost (and let's include total costs, not just fares) and I seriously doubt that could happen.
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I think I have already said that we are not merely talking about fares, but in particular tax-payer subsidies paid to private companies.
 
uk_dave said:
Well, must admit i quite enjoyed PMQs but my perception of how successful it was may be different to others.

Corbyn used his questions obtained via social media (though he described it as having been in response to an email he sent out.... lucky it wasn't a fax!)

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Nope he did not obtain his questions from social media - he got them from the email he sent asking for questions as he said he did.

Copy of the email he sent out.

Dear xxxxxxxx

It is a deep honour to be elected as our party's new leader. The honour is not about holding office - it is about the opportunity to serve each and every one one of you in the fight to get a better government for our country.

I want to pay tribute to Andy, Yvette and Liz. As the last few weeks have shown, each of them cares passionately about our party and its values and has made a fantastic contribution to it.

If you voted for me, thank you for putting your faith in me. If you didn't vote for me, I hope I will win your trust and support in the coming months. Whoever you supported, we must come together to serve the millions of people who desperately need a Labour government.

The Labour Party is the joint endeavour of each and every one of us. I want to use your talents to make us stronger, and I want to represent you.

So, help me be your representative. When I stand at the despatch box for Prime Minister's Questions on Wednesday, I want to be your voice.
What do you want to ask David Cameron? Tell me now and I will put your questions to him in parliament. My questions will be your questions.




Let's hold this government to account together with straight-talking, honest politics.

Thank you for your commitment to building a better future. I look forward to working with you.

Best wishes,

Jeremy Corbyn
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MikeG said:
Yes, this again. Thatcher was very right wing.........the only Tory right winger to have won an election since the war. (Remember, I conceded this last time we discussed this, only a day or two ago). All the other conservative election winners were "one nation" Tories (whether they said so or not), towards the left of their party, and thus towards the centre ground of the electorate. Blair, the only Labour leader ever to have been re-elected I believe, was to the right of his party, and thus towards the middle ground of the electorate. We could have a discussion about Wilson, but him aside, I can't think of a Labour leader from the left of their party who has won an election since the 50's, and certainly none has ever won re-election.
I don't know why this discussion pains you so much.
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Pain? OK, what pains me are your attempts to define 'centre' and 'modern' in a way that's specifically geared to supporting your assertion that only centrists can win in the modern era.

For example, Attlee won two elections and was certainly leftist, so he must be not of the 'modern era'. Wilson won 4 (though one was a minority government) so must be either not 'modern' or must be centrist. However, I'd say most (virtually all?) would consider Wilson well to the left of Blair, so Wilson must also be 'old era'.

Maybe you could tell us when, in your opinion, the 'modern era' began?

Of the highlighted part, you've effectively poisoned the well. Beyond Wilson, Callaghan and Brown inherited the PMship, so by eliminating Wilson you've reduced the candidates that might disprove your point to precisely one. However, in so doing, you've also eliminated the Labour side of recent UK political history as evidence in support of your argument. In short, you've created an unfalsifiable position by defining your terms in an idiosyncratic way.
 
lionking said:
Nope. Abuse of what is commonly understood as the English language.


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I've never heard the word election used (outside of sarcasm) not to mean a system whereas people are canvassed for their vote. Perhaps this is a difference in Australian English and English? Can you give an example of how the word is used in Australia?
 
WildCat said:
I'm still waiting for a Corbyn supporter to explain why his policies, which have failed spectacularly everywhere they've been tried since they were first enacted in the real world a century ago, would find their first-ever success in the UK.
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Which ones have failed?
 
WildCat said:
Printing money so the government can spend more "for the people".

When has this ever not resulted in hyperinflation? Isn't this what Venezuela is doing today and Argentina did in the past?
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I see no hyperinflation in the UK. Indeed the concern in the UK is that inflation may turn negative.
 
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