Converting from Christianity to Atheism

kurious_kathy said:
So far what I know of the Muslim faith is that they are following a false prophet named Mohammad who said in heaven you will get a reward which in tells having lots of sex with virgins, that's just sick if you ask me.
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And if you asked a Muslim, they would say that you are following a false prophet named Jesus. Why can't you get this concept? It's really not that complicated! Saying that your god is better than someone else's god or that your religion is better than someone else's religion or that your holy book is better than someone else's holy book means nothing! Less than nothing! They feel the same way about their god and their religion and their holy book. They think they're right and you're wrong. You think you're right and they're wrong. All of you only have your own faith and "feelings" to go on, none of which are any more or less valid than any other. You prove nothing, except that you believe one thing and they believe another. Which, in many of our minds, lends LESS credibility to the idea that ANY religion can be true.
 
kurious_kathy said:
I think we all must do our own homework to check out other religions in the world and see what they believe and why. So far what I know of the Muslim faith is that they are following a false prophet named Mohammad who said in heaven you will get a reward which in tells having lots of sex with virgins, that's just sick if you ask me.
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Book, chapter and verse?

LLH
 
kurious_kathy said:
Are you trying to tell me that they don't believe that's what part of their reward in heaven will be?
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I'm trying to tell you they don't believe they follow a false prophet. That would be you injecting your beliefs about their beliefs into the situation. I'm also implying that if that is all you know about the Muslim faith, I'd wager you got it secondhand from a fellow Jesusphile and not from doing any honest inquiry into the religion itself.
 
kurious_kathy said:
There is no douibt in my mind that Jesus was the Holy One who sacrificed Himself for us. Have you ever really tried to look at the man on the cross and understand why He did it?
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I used to be a christian myself, and I understand that you believe such things. I used to believe. However, the problem is that I grew up. I shed belief in those things just like I shed belief in Santa Clause. I'd be glad to see your evidence that supports your beliefs, though. That's one of many reasons as to why I am no longer a christian, the lack of evidence.
 
kurious_kathy said:
I think we all must do our own homework to check out other religions in the world and see what they believe and why. So far what I know of the Muslim faith is that they are following a false prophet named Mohammad who said in heaven you will get a reward which in tells having lots of sex with virgins, that's just sick if you ask me.

And theirs is a works based theology which Chrisitanity is not. We know none of us can earn our way into heaven just by trying to be good. It's only being covered by the blood of the lamb that will redeem anyone. Who was the lamb? There is no douibt in my mind that Jesus was the Holy One who sacrificed Himself for us. Have you ever really tried to look at the man on the cross and understand why He did it?
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So far, what I know of the Christian faith is that they are following a false prophet named Jesus. They believe that only by being covered by the blood of the lamb will they be redeemed. That's just sick, if you ask me.
 
kurious_kathy said:
I think we all must do our own homework to check out other religions in the world and see what they believe and why. So far what I know of the Muslim faith is that they are following a false prophet named Mohammad who said in heaven you will get a reward which in tells having lots of sex with virgins, that's just sick if you ask me.
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I'm not going to defend the muslim faith or any faith for that matter, but that is a really shallow assessment of the muslim faith.
 
My Muslim friends would not dishonour any Prophet of the Book.

They are always very reverential to all the prophets, from Moses through Jesus to Mohammed and always say the arabic of ' peace be upon him' after using the name of any prophet.
In their religion, the prophet Mohammed is the final law giving prophet and none who follow can make changes.

The Qu'ran can not be written in any other language than arabic and therefore has not suffered the fate of poor translations as is apparant with the Bible.

I will ask my Imam friend what the route of this vigin story is amongst both muslim and non muslim.
 
wolfgirl said:
So far, what I know of the Christian faith is that they are following a false prophet named Jesus. They believe that only by being covered by the blood of the lamb will they be redeemed. That's just sick, if you ask me.
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I am concerned about this lamb, how does it work for a vegetarian, would the juice of a watermellon work.
 
kurious_kathy said:
And theirs is a works based theology which Chrisitanity is not. We know none of us can earn our way into heaven just by trying to be good.
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James 2:14-17
What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

A bit of a contradiction there...
 
kurious_kathy said:
And theirs is a works based theology which Chrisitanity is not. We know none of us can earn our way into heaven just by trying to be good. It's only being covered by the blood of the lamb that will redeem anyone. Who was the lamb? There is no douibt in my mind that Jesus was the Holy One who sacrificed Himself for us. Have you ever really tried to look at the man on the cross and understand why He did it?
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Sacrificed himself, huh? That sure implies that it was his intention to be crucified, but how well does the logic follow such a story? Here are a few paragraphs from Thomas Paine’s The Age of Reason on this subject, since I think he'd do a better job saying it than I would. Don’t worry, it is no longer considered blasphemous to read this. :)
The manner in which he was apprehended shows that he was not much known at that time; and it shows also, that the meetings he then held with his followers were in secret; and that he had given over or suspended preaching publicly. Judas could not otherwise betray him than by giving information where he was, and pointing him out to the officers that went to arrest him; and the reason for employing and paying Judas to do this could arise only from the cause already mentioned, that of his not being much known and living concealed.

The idea of his concealment not only agrees very ill with his reputed divinity, but associates with it something of pusillanimity; and his being betrayed, or in other words, his being apprehended, on the information of one of his followers, shows that he did not intend to be apprehended, and consequently that he did not intend to be crucified.

The Christian Mythologists tell us, that Christ died for the sins of the world, and that he came on purpose to die. Would it not then have been the same if he had died of a fever or of the small-pox, of old age, or of anything else?

The declaratory sentence which, they say, was passed upon Adam, in case he eat of the apple, was not, that thou shall surely be crucified, but thou shalt surely die — the sentence of death, and not the manner of dying. Crucifixion, therefore, or any other particular manner of dying, made no part of the sentence that Adam was to suffer, and consequently, even upon their own tactics, it could make no part of the sentence that Christ was to suffer in the room of Adam. A fever would have done as well as a cross, if there was any occasion for either.
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kurious_kathy said:
Notice the last sentence says to grow in grace and knowledge of Christ. So for starters any religion that is not based on knowing Jesus we know is false. There are others that have their doctrine messed up like Jehovahs Witnesses and the Mormons, but that's all I'm gona say about it for now. Everything outside of Christ leads to death! God help us all know the one who saves!
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So Kathy, I see you've found yet another thread in which to do your preaching. How lucky for these folks. Are you going to be as good about listening and answering questions as you were in the Gospel thread? :rolleyes:
 
kurious, don't let all these naysayers get you down. You go, girl. Your truths are self-evident. However, when you write:

kurious_kathy said:
So far what I know of the Muslim faith is that they are following a false prophet named Mohammad who said in heaven you will get a reward which in tells having lots of sex with virgins, that's just sick if you ask me.
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I get all confused because you don't know the difference between "in tells" and entails. But, gosh, don't let one teensy error get in the way of all your bigger errors Truths.

Your loving servant,

SezMe
 
I think Kathy really needs to answer Wolfgirl here. Let me restate the question.

Kathy, you believe that yours is the one true religion and all the others are false. Correct?

Moslems believe that theirs is the one true religion and all the others are false.

Hindus believe that theirs is the one true religion and all the others are false.

Catholics believe that theirs is the one true religion and all the others are false.

Wiccas believe that theirs is the one true religion and all the others are false (although in my experience the're a lot nicer about it than most of the others).

What distinguishes your religion from all the other religions in the world, the followers of which also believe that theirs is the one true religion and all the others are false?
 
wolfgirl said:
So far, what I know of the Christian faith is that they are following a false prophet named Jesus. They believe that only by being covered by the blood of the lamb will they be redeemed. That's just sick, if you ask me.
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Jesus is the true Son of God! And because of His sacrifice we can all be reconciled with God. It's a living relationship. Our God truely is alive and my love is true for Him. It's about relationship, not religion.
 
What distinguishes your religion from all the other religions in the world, the followers of which also believe that theirs is the one true religion and all the others are false?
 
arthwollipot said:
What distinguishes your religion from all the other religions in the world, the followers of which also believe that theirs is the one true religion and all the others are false?
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There are many things we could discuss about this question but I would like to share with you something my hubby posted to a Christian Forum today that I really think says a lot about a our relationship with Christ as Christians.
...In my personal and practical experience in discussions with hundreds, maybe thousands of people over the years, people of other religions (faiths) have not expressed to me that they have a relationship with the God or Gods they believe in. They just believe in the system of faith as defined in their religion. To them it is a religion, a belief system based on some deity, not a relationship based on love.

I my self do not tell people that Christianity is not a religion. I tell them Christianity is not about religion though. And that it is not about following rules, traditions and rituals. It is about sin and the need for a savior; and the focus is Jesus, the person he is, and entering into a relationship with him. If a person is a Christian for any other reason than they recognize sin is real, they are a sinner, and they need a savior, then anything that upsets the apple cart will bump them off and they will fall away. I am adamant when I say Christianity is in no way about religion, religion does not save anyone, only a relationship with Christ does.

Yes, technically Christianity can correctly be called a religion by the definition of the word. But who wants religion? I want a relationship with my savior who is a real person alive and well today this very moment. Big deal if I have a belief system that involves some deity. If it is only a belief system, I can be convinced I have been wrong in my belief. But if I have a relationship with a real person, no one can convince me that the person I know is real, and who I love and feel his love for me as well, is phony. No one can tell me my wife and kids are not real, in the same way no one can tell me Jesus in not real. Jesus in not a belief system, he is a real person I have a relationship with. He is not my religion. Do you guys get where I am coming from? Do you really want religion?
 
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