Converting from Christianity to Atheism

Kathy, what makes you think that feeling you know something in your heart to be true makes it true in reality?
 
My heart tells me Kathy is a plonker.

Whose heart is the best guesser, Kathy?
 
This probably has a LOT to do with my not having slept at all last night, but everytime I read one of Kathy's posts, I picture the Stay-Puft marshmallow man in a swiss miss hot cocoa girl type wig...
 
After reading through this, it still perplexes me how someone can consistently confuse belief with fact, even after it's pointed out to them.

I can believe that my 99 Malibu is an 06 Z06, I can believe it as hard as I want. I could even pray to it if I wished, but when I got in my car tonight, it would still be my POS Malibu. You can believe that you will never die with all your heart, but you still won't escape death.

Someone touched on pity earlier, but I think for the wrong reasons.

I pity Christians as well, but not because they spend time worshipping an invisible and clearly uncaring deity. I pity them because their religion makes them feel so inferior and insecure. It makes them waste this precious life hoping for the next.

It's just so sad to me.
 
CP489 said:
I can believe that my 99 Malibu is an 06 Z06, I can believe it as hard as I want. I could even pray to it if I wished, but when I got in my car tonight, it would still be my POS Malibu. You can believe that you will never die with all your heart, but you still won't escape death.
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Obviously your faith is not strong enough. You do not have TRUE belief. You can send me a cheque for a few thousand dollars, which will help your faith immensely, I assure you. PM for the address.
 
Humphreys said:
Kathy, what makes you think that feeling you know something in your heart to be true makes it true in reality?
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It is said certain things like eternity are planted inside the human heart, check it out.

Ecclesiastes 3: 10-12...
I have seen the task which God has given the sons of men with which to occupy themselves.
God Set Eternity in the Heart of Man
He has made everything appropriate in its time He has also set eternity in their heart, yet so that man will not find out the work which God has done from the beginning even to the end.
I know that there is nothing better for them than to rejoice and to do good in one's lifetime;

I'm not wasting my life worshipping my God who is worthy.
 
kurious_kathy said:
...I guess science is still struggling to proove people are born with souls, but I know in my heart without a doubt it's true and we are made to be with God forever!
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1. Science does not struggle to prove anything. This statement shows that you a have fundamental misunderstanding of what science even is.

2. Has your heart ever lied to you before? You ever feel that someone was your soul mate or close friend, just to have them stab you in the back?

3. Since you seem so eager to accept personal testimonials from internal organs I thought you might like to know that my heart told me that your heart is a liar.

kurious_kathy said:
It is said heaven is a perfect place, don't you want to go if it does exists?
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Sure, I'd love to go there if it was real! Furthermore for my fantasy vacation I would like to add the following stops:

Santa's Workshop
Honah Lee
Candyland
The Isle of Misfit Toys
Atlantis
R'lyeh

LLH
 
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Marquis de Carabas said:
Who cares what is said. Why do you--and why should anyone else--believe it?
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If there's one thing we all have in common is that we are God's creation made from the dust. He gave us the gift of life so we could have fellowship with Him. That's why we are here. I know God exists because He created us. Each one of us if living proof! Who was it that said I think therefore I am?
Life is not an illusion, it's a gift from God.
 
Well, the heart is a blood pump. If you have something planted in yours, that's bad.

Even accepting the symbolic meaning of "heart" it's still not clear what the verse means. So lets pretend that we all know what the verse means and move on.

So how can we decide whether something is "planted in our heart" or just something we imagined? The method I would look at would be universal or near universal acceptance. The desire of man to do something eternal, to "make a difference" seems to fit that criterion. So that's a reasonable interpretation of that verse.

But belief in the Christian God does not meet the criterion, so I really don't know where to go from there.
 
kurious_kathy said:
If there's one thing we all have in common is that we are God's creation made from the dust. He gave us the gift of life so we could have fellowship with Him. That's why we are here. I know God exists because He created us. Each one of us if living proof! Who was it that said I think therefore I am?
Life is not an illusion, it's a gift from God.
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I would like to congratulate you. I have seen circular logic, of course. I'm not certain I've ever seen a logical Moebius strip before, though. Well done.
 
kurious_kathy said:
It is said certain things like eternity are planted inside the human heart, check it out.

Ecclesiastes 3: 10-12...
I have seen the task which God has given the sons of men with which to occupy themselves.
God Set Eternity in the Heart of Man
He has made everything appropriate in its time He has also set eternity in their heart, yet so that man will not find out the work which God has done from the beginning even to the end.
I know that there is nothing better for them than to rejoice and to do good in one's lifetime;

I'm not wasting my life worshipping my God who is worthy.
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Do you ever get bored using the same appeal to authority fallacy to support everything you say? There is a whole list of them to choose from; at least you could mix it up a bit.

There is no more reason to accept the Bible as an authority on the truth than there is for any other religions’ books. Since they contradict each other often, they can not all be true. With no logical reason to believe one over the other, all must be rejected as authorities on the truth. Therefore, quoting passages from any such book offers nothing in terms of supporting an argument, unless of course, the argument is over what is written in the book. You can choose to believe one over another if you like, but you can’t reasonably expect your belief alone to support the argument.

I’m afraid your strategy will never convince anyone but the extremely gullible.
 
kurious_kathy said:
I'm not wasting my life worshipping my God who is worthy.
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Would you kill someone if your god told you to? Would you take your own child's life, if your god said to do so? Would you masturbate in public if your god told you to do it? Would you participate in group-sex if your god said to do so?
 
kurious_kathy said:
It is said certain things like eternity are planted inside the human heart, check it out.
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Just because "it is said" in your fairy-tale book, doesn't make it true. "It is said" in The Iliad (another ancient text) that Apollo will help man in times of need if they sacrifice to him. Shall I kill an ox?
 
kurious_kathy said:
It is said certain things like eternity are planted inside the human heart, check it out.

Ecclesiastes 3: 10-12...
I have seen the task which God has given the sons of men with which to occupy themselves.
God Set Eternity in the Heart of Man
He has made everything appropriate in its time He has also set eternity in their heart, yet so that man will not find out the work which God has done from the beginning even to the end.
I know that there is nothing better for them than to rejoice and to do good in one's lifetime;

I'm not wasting my life worshipping my God who is worthy.
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How 'bout them Muslims then? Who planted their feeling of certainty?

If you say it was the Devil, how do you know your feeling of certainty isn't caused by some foul demon too, or maybe just some iffy meat?
 
I think we all must do our own homework to check out other religions in the world and see what they believe and why. So far what I know of the Muslim faith is that they are following a false prophet named Mohammad who said in heaven you will get a reward which in tells having lots of sex with virgins, that's just sick if you ask me.

And theirs is a works based theology which Chrisitanity is not. We know none of us can earn our way into heaven just by trying to be good. It's only being covered by the blood of the lamb that will redeem anyone. Who was the lamb? There is no douibt in my mind that Jesus was the Holy One who sacrificed Himself for us. Have you ever really tried to look at the man on the cross and understand why He did it?
 
kurious_kathy said:
I think we all must do our own homework to check out other religions in the world and see what they believe and why. So far what I know of the Muslim faith is that they are following a false prophet named Mohammad who said in heaven you will get a reward which in tells having lots of sex with virgins, that's just sick if you ask me.
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You receive a provisional F on this homework assignment, pending the implementation of a lower possible grade.
 
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