Converting from Christianity to Atheism

kurious_kathy said:
Not at all. God is love and I believe..<snip the sermon>
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Did you have anything of substance to add, or were you just going to keep preaching? Sermons such as yours really have no appeal to those who don't believe in your flavor of mythology.
 
Actually there were originally 11 commandments, but Moishe, the schlemiel, dropped one on his way back down the mountain.


Seriously though Kathy, why do you pick that set of commandments to follow? There's more than one set you know!
 
I've also managed to avoid the heinous crime of boiling a baby goat in its mother's milk.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Did you have anything of substance to add, or were you just going to keep preaching? Sermons such as yours really have no appeal to those who don't believe in your flavor of mythology.
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Love is not a myth, it is real and if you ask me it's a real miracle! Don't you believe in love? Love is also more than a feeling, it is an action. I think most of us have experienced it and hopefully we've had something to know we are lucky or blessed. If a man has no love he doesn't have much, at least in my opinion.
 
kurious_kathy said:
Facts, OK You came from somewhere, right? And you are definitely headed somewhere through your journey called life, right? But do you know where it was that you came from and forsure where you will end up?
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I was a biological product of my parents need to mate. Cold, maybe, but the truth isn't always warm and fuzzy. Life is a journey, but you will miss out if all you are looking forward to is the destination. Death is waiting at the finish line and no one runs a second heat.

I don't think any of us no forsure what each day will bring. Only God knows. So see we aren't in control, He is. Each day is a gift that only God can give. I myself do not believe that the grave is all there is.
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It must be very comforting to pass-the-buck and hold your invisible friend accountable. Why not blackness when it is over? When the blood flow to your brain stops you will cease to exist. No more pain, sadness, happiness, guilt, pleasure, desire, regret...etc. Nothing. The being that is uniquely you will be no more on any level. Why is that so hard to believe? I know it isn't comforting, but, again, truth not always warm & fuzzy.

It's strange to me now but when I look back on my life now as a believer I realize He was always there just trying to get my attention. A life without God only left me feeling abandoned and alone. It's not this way anymore. All I can share is I really believe each of us has a God shaped whole inside our heart, the question is whether we will invite Him in? I did and there is no more longing or emptiness, God satisfies!
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Here is my problem with this; wouldn't someone with an imaginary friend say the exact same thing? Instead of "God" substitute "Fred." How long would you spout this before you were committed if you just named your imaginary friend Fred?

Now, please don't respond with how sorry you feel for me. That I must have no love or happiness in my life. That somehow I must be hollow if there is no god in me.

The truth of the matter is this; I feel sorry for you. Your everyday life is spent trying to satisfy a superstition. Waiting for the day you die so THEN you can be truly happy. How drab the world must be if you believe everything happens because of some great Greek tragedy being played out. A play where you are a grateful puppet with an unseen marionette. Yours is not to question his motives, just dance and be thankful when he puts you away in his suitcase.

However, I live my life the best I can. Because it is the only one I get. So many things fascinate me. From the vegetation at my feet to the stars and galaxies in the night sky. There is an excitement you experience when you look out at the night sky and realize how small you really are. That excitement would not be there if a being controlled everything and planned every second of every day for an eternity. However, you know how special life is when you realize that none of us had to be here.
 
kurious_kathy said:
Love is not a myth, it is real and if you ask me it's a real miracle! Don't you believe in love?
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Love is simply an emotion, we know for a fact that humans have emotions. It's scientifically proven. The fact that love is real doesn't mean your god is.
 
Marquis de Carabas said:
Yours, to pick an example at random.
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When I get done with my course in apologetics I will tackle this on a different thread. I don't like to bash other religions, but I do know we need to point their error out to them. It's strange that I just read the last chapter in 2 Peter 3:9-18 which had this to say...
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

A New Heaven and Earth
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

Notice the last sentence says to grow in grace and knowledge of Christ. So for starters any religion that is not based on knowing Jesus we know is false. There are others that have their doctrine messed up like Jehovahs Witnesses and the Mormons, but that's all I'm gona say about it for now. Everything outside of Christ leads to death! God help us all know the one who saves!
 
Apologetics is simply the skill of making excuses, telling lies and using various other dishonest methods to tray and explain away the errors, nonsense and contradictions in dogma, holy books and religious beliefs. Your course on apologetics will only make you more annoying, it won't make you right.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Love is simply an emotion, we know for a fact that humans have emotions. It's scientifically proven. The fact that love is real doesn't mean your god is.
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Well to me He is the author of love. If it wasn't for His Spirit in this world I doubt any of us would experience love!
 
Huh-What? said:
I was a biological product of my parents need to mate. Cold, maybe, but the truth isn't always warm and fuzzy. Life is a journey, but you will miss out if all you are looking forward to is the destination. Death is waiting at the finish line and no one runs a second heat.

However, I live my life the best I can. Because it is the only one I get. So many things fascinate me. From the vegetation at my feet to the stars and galaxies in the night sky. There is an excitement you experience when you look out at the night sky and realize how small you really are. That excitement would not be there if a being controlled everything and planned every second of every day for an eternity. However, you know how special life is when you realize that none of us had to be here.
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Ah but what if you just for once tried to believe what we are told about God in the Bible? Then you would not think the physical death is all there is. Scripture does tell us the second death will be even worse than the first for those outside of Christ. That's the beginning of a new life, one we haven't seen yet, but it does exist. Why don't you believe there's more than just here and now? People do have souls that do go on for eternity, the question is where do you want to spend yours? I guess science is still struggling to proove people are born with souls, but I know in my heart without a doubt it's true and we are made to be with God forever! By denying Him you only condemn yourselves. He loves us so much He was willing to die to redeem us from a fallen world, don't let yourselves be deceived.


I do love your expression of the universe and how vast all of creation is. How awesome is nature? I love it to. We have many things we can enjoy here and now in this lifetime, but if we think it's great now, how much more can it be in heaven? We won't see lots of the painful things we see and experience in this world now as we know it. It is said heaven is a perfect place, don't you want to go if it does exists?
 
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kurious_kathy said:
You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
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Of course, if your religion is false, its holy babble would likely contain false statements. So, this proves nothing.

My entire religion is based on a fortune I received at a Chinese buffet one time that proclaims "You are the greatest in the world." Is there any particular reason I should believe your Bible over the very special and personal message delivered to me in a cookie?
 
Just Me said:
Luckily I moved out to Pinal so I no longer have to worry about him.
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For close to seven years I was safely out of his reach in Coconino county...

It always amazes me how much support that man manages to get.
 
kurious_kathy said:
The problem is there are many forms of religion which are considered false religions. It's up to each of us to not be deceived.
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All of the other religions say the same thing, and they consider your religion to be the false one. How can you possibly know that it's not you who are being deceived? Oh, yeah, I know, because you "feel" it to be true and "know" it to be true. So do the followers of the other religions.
kurious_kathy said:
It doesn't matter your race or religion, it matters whether you believe Jesus died to save you.
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What a silly statement. How can you say it doesn't matter what religion you are, as long as you believe in Jesus?
If "you believe Jesus died to save you," doesn't that make you a de facto christian.
 
Marquis de Carabas said:
Of course, if your religion is false, its holy babble would likely contain false statements. So, this proves nothing.

My entire religion is based on a fortune I received at a Chinese buffet one time that proclaims "You are the greatest in the world." Is there any particular reason I should believe your Bible over the very special and personal message delivered to me in a cookie?
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I’d pick the cookie religion. All you’ll get with the Bible one is some stale bread, which is not nearly as tasty. :)
 
kurious_kathy said:
I don't like to bash other religions, but I do know we need to point their error out to them.
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How can anyone make you understand that each religion believes this very exact same thing. They would feel the need to point out your error to you. How can any person possibly know that theirs is the right and true one, other than a "feeling." And everyone, of every religion, has this same "feeling," so it proves absolutely nothing.
kurious_kathy said:
Notice the last sentence says to grow in grace and knowledge of Christ. So for starters any religion that is not based on knowing Jesus we know is false.
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Who is this "we" that "knows" all the other religions are false? Oh, yeah, you christians. You somehow have this magic book that "proves" that yours is right and theirs is wrong. But wait! They have a magic book, too! And theirs proves that theirs is right and yours is wrong. Go figure.
 
kurious_kathy said:
Ah but what if you just for once tried to believe what we are told about God in the Bible?
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I don't know about anyone else here (though I suspect most feel the same way), but I can't just "try to believe" something that makes absolutely no friggin' sense to me at all. You either believe or you don't, you can't "try to believe."
kurious_kathy said:
Why don't you believe there's more than just here and now? People do have souls that do go on for eternity, the question is where do you want to spend yours?
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We don't believe because there's not one iota of evidence for it. You can choose to believe that people have souls, but don't spout it as though it were fact. Acknowledge that it's just a belief that you hold because you can't cope with the idea of this being all there is.
kurious_kathy said:
I guess science is still struggling to proove people are born with souls, but I know in my heart without a doubt it's true and we are made to be with God forever!
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Science, or at least not any serious or reputable scientists that I know of, is not "struggling to prove people are born with souls." They pretty much don't bother with such a nonsensical idea.
 
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