Contradictions in the Bible
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Which of the two lineages of Jesus given in the Bible is correct?
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A couple of days? Let's see if we can't shave a few hours off that.
Who was present when his tomb was found open?
Matthew says: Mary Madgalene, the other Mary, and some Roman guards. The tomb was closed when they got there but an angel came to move the stone and scare the pants off the guards. (Matthew 28:1-10)
Mark says: Mary Magdalene, Mary mother of James, Salome. No guards, but an angel was waiting, having already moved the stone. (Mark 16:1-8)
Luke says: Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary mother of James, "and the others with them" went to the tomb and found the stone rolled away. An angel appeared while they were there.
John says: Mary Magdalene (alone) went to the tomb. She found it empty but she saw no angel until she'd run back, fetched Peter and the beloved disciple who took a look at the tomb and left. She stayed and wept, and saw not one, but two angels. And Jesus himself. (John 20:1-18)
Paul says: He appeared to Peter, then the other twelve disciples. No mention of Mary Magdalene, or the tomb, but I just thought I'd throw that in for completeness' sake. (1 Corinthians 15:3-5).
There you go, Dude. Don't say I never done nothin' for ya.
Who was present when his tomb was found open?
Matthew says: Mary Madgalene, the other Mary, and some Roman guards. The tomb was closed when they got there but an angel came to move the stone and scare the pants off the guards. (Matthew 28:1-10)
Mark says: Mary Magdalene, Mary mother of James, Salome. No guards, but an angel was waiting, having already moved the stone. (Mark 16:1-8)
Luke says: Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary mother of James, "and the others with them" went to the tomb and found the stone rolled away. An angel appeared while they were there.
John says: Mary Magdalene (alone) went to the tomb. She found it empty but she saw no angel until she'd run back, fetched Peter and the beloved disciple who took a look at the tomb and left. She stayed and wept, and saw not one, but two angels. And Jesus himself. (John 20:1-18)
Paul says: He appeared to Peter, then the other twelve disciples. No mention of Mary Magdalene, or the tomb, but I just thought I'd throw that in for completeness' sake. (1 Corinthians 15:3-5).
There you go, Dude. Don't say I never done nothin' for ya.
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Believe me, I'm not.
On that, the bible contradicts itself. It's too late into the night right here, so I'm hoping Palimpsest will give us the same excellent review as he did on the question of who was present at the open tomb.
And I really do hope Christian Dude do come tho this thread, because I'm curious how he explains the obvious contradictions.
However, I've heard from several sources that the last words of the Messiah was 'I can see my house from here'.
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Believe me, I'm not.
fowlsound said:
On that, the bible contradicts itself. It's too late into the night right here, so I'm hoping Palimpsest will give us the same excellent review as he did on the question of who was present at the open tomb.
And I really do hope Christian Dude do come tho this thread, because I'm curious how he explains the obvious contradictions.
However, I've heard from several sources that the last words of the Messiah was 'I can see my house from here'.
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Funny, I thought he was singing some song about looking on teh bright side....
Ryokan said:Believe me, I'm not.
On that, the bible contradicts itself. It's too late into the night right here, so I'm hoping Palimpsest will give us the same excellent review as he did on the question of who was present at the open tomb.
And I really do hope Christian Dude do come tho this thread, because I'm curious how he explains the obvious contradictions.
However, I've heard from several sources that the last words of the Messiah was 'I can see my house from here'.
Funny, I thought he was singing some song about looking on teh bright side....
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Re: Re: Re: Contradictions in the Bible
Me? Hey, I've got a life, you know!
Oh, okay, that's a lie. Here's a look at Jesus' last words:
Matthew says: "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" (My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?) Onlookers believed he was calling on Elijah. Then he cried out once more (uh, maybe. This bit is kind of ambiguous) and died. And then the temple curtain was torn in two, the earth shook and rocks split, and the saints came marching in out of their tombs. (Matthew 27:45-53)
Mark says: "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" Same comments from onlookers about Elijah. Then he cried out once more and died. The temple curtain was torn in two, but Mark doesn't mention any other weird stuff. (Mark 15:33-38)
Luke says: "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." The temple curtain was torn in two some time before, when the sun stopped shining. (Luke 23:44-46)
John says: "It is finished." No darkness, no curtain tearing. (John 19:28-30)
Ryokan said:
Me? Hey, I've got a life, you know!
Oh, okay, that's a lie. Here's a look at Jesus' last words:
Matthew says: "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" (My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?) Onlookers believed he was calling on Elijah. Then he cried out once more (uh, maybe. This bit is kind of ambiguous) and died. And then the temple curtain was torn in two, the earth shook and rocks split, and the saints came marching in out of their tombs. (Matthew 27:45-53)
Mark says: "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" Same comments from onlookers about Elijah. Then he cried out once more and died. The temple curtain was torn in two, but Mark doesn't mention any other weird stuff. (Mark 15:33-38)
Luke says: "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." The temple curtain was torn in two some time before, when the sun stopped shining. (Luke 23:44-46)
John says: "It is finished." No darkness, no curtain tearing. (John 19:28-30)
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Re: Re: Contradictions in the Bible
This thread will not take me near as much time to present my arguments for there being no contradictions in scripture. I have already done quite a lot of homework in this area. The Bible is my area of knowledge.
fowlsound, there is a thread titled "Why is ID so successful". If you view my post in there today, you will see that I am not ignoring you and your supposedly honest questions to me. I am reading up on what we talked about and some other things other people recommended to me to see why you guys really believe in evolution. When I had something good to bring back into the debate, it was my plan, and still is, to pm you and let you know I was ready to discuss ID research with you. I don't have anything yet. I take the time to bring a thoughtful and educated argument to you and the others here that might actually care what a wacko Christian thinks on all this stuff. If you don't really care, let me know please so I don't waste my time with you. Otherwise, we may disagree, but we can talk to each other with respect and might even become friends. We can think each other a little bit nutty to believe what we believe, but we can still like each other. Can you make a friendship with a Christian? I can be friends with a little bit off base evolutionist.fowlsound said:
This thread will not take me near as much time to present my arguments for there being no contradictions in scripture. I have already done quite a lot of homework in this area. The Bible is my area of knowledge.
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You're going to need thicker skin than that around here.
When you have your argument, pm me. I'm not holding my breath.
Christian Dude said:fowlsound, there is a thread titled "Why is ID so successful". If you view my post in there today, you will see that I am not ignoring you and your supposedly honest questions to me. I am reading up on what we talked about and some other things other people recommended to me to see why you guys really believe in evolution. When I had something good to bring back into the debate, it was my plan, and still is, to pm you and let you know I was ready to discuss ID research with you. I don't have anything yet. I take the time to bring a thoughtful and educated argument to you and the others here that might actually care what a wacko Christian thinks on all this stuff. If you don't really care, let me know please so I don't waste my time with you. Otherwise, we may disagree, but we can talk to each other with respect and might even become friends. We can think each other a little bit nutty to believe what we believe, but we can still like each other. Can you make a friendship with a Christian? I can be friends with a little bit off base evolutionist.
This thread will not take me near as much time to present my arguments for there being no contradictions in scripture. I have already done quite a lot of homework in this area. The Bible is my area of knowledge.
You're going to need thicker skin than that around here.
When you have your argument, pm me. I'm not holding my breath.
Christian Dude, with all due respect, if you are so ignorant on the subjects that you need several days to research them before you can argue for them, how come you have such firm belief in them?
To me it looks like you have a conclusion and then run out to find facts to back those conclusions up.
You will find that the people on this board works the other way. First we find facts, then we make conclusions.
Not to derail my own thread, I'm actually quite interested to hear how you will explain the two contradictions set forth. I'm just a little puzzled how you first claim that, as a fact, there are no contradictions in the bible, and when faced with two of them, you need several days before you can explain them.
To me it looks like you have a conclusion and then run out to find facts to back those conclusions up.
You will find that the people on this board works the other way. First we find facts, then we make conclusions.
Not to derail my own thread, I'm actually quite interested to hear how you will explain the two contradictions set forth. I'm just a little puzzled how you first claim that, as a fact, there are no contradictions in the bible, and when faced with two of them, you need several days before you can explain them.
I dearly wish that were always the case. In fact, people on this board do the exact opposite with surprising regularity, particularly in the R&P forum. In that respect, we are not much different from any other group of people, although we strive to be.Ryokan said:
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I can't see where ChristianD says that.Ryokan said:
I do see that he says he's taking time for "reading up on what we talked about and some other things other people recommended to me to see why you guys really believe in evolution". What more could one ask for? Should he not take days rather than minutes? Stamenflicker did the same, you'll remember. And jhunter. A look at the actual evidence for evolution, and the actual theory of evolution, is all I'd ask.
I can't believe I bumped this thread.
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Ryokan, I would not call my self ignorant on the subject of Bible contradictions. This evening after we first talked about this, I have been going over some of the commentaries I have that answered my questions in the past about these very things. I am just reviewing what I have already studied to give you as clear and concise answer as I can. I will have your answer by Wednesday. I am going to bed now and don't have much time tomorrow.Ryokan said:
Now in the area of evolution vs. creation or ID, I am a little bit too ignorant and not up to date to present a good argument. I am working on rectifying that.