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Continuing to do things you know you shouldn't

Dr. Imago said:
So, what are your vices that you know you shouldn't do, but do anyway? And, if possible, explain why you engage in them. Likewise, do you feel it is okay if you are fully aware of the risks? Discuss.

-Dr. Imago
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I occasionally like to smoke some herb and drive my car up in the mountains, with the stereo blasting, and my dog "Moses" running along side in the snow. I know, not really safe for the dog, (some would say) but it's his favorite thing to do, short of running along side of my mountain bike. (yes he's a 'tire biter')

I never have seen anyone else doing this, and if I did, I surely wouldn't try and tell them to stop.

However, it is 5 degrees F outside today, and I am not pedaling around in the hills to make Moses happy, and he needs the exercise.

I do smoke cigarettes, and drink alcohol, and I will probably die from cancer or liver failure, at least it won't be Alzheimer's...

So what?

p.s. I do live alone, with Moses.
 
Go hiking alone without telling anyone where I'm going. No cell phone reception. Or, go off my intended route.

Considering that someone I know disappeared recently while dayhiking, I know it's really stupid. I'm thinking of getting a PLB...
 
My main vice is actually not doing things I should be doing, rather than doing things I shouldn't. Which of course means the same thing, depending on ones views on grammar.
 
Dr. Imago said:
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Seriously, if a patient told me he smoked a cigar once or twice a month with a glass of single malt, I'd say probably not a good idea but that I do it myself. This is far different than smoking a pack of cigarettes (or more) a day and failing to wear a seatbelt in the car, both subjects I am true to my word in both preaching against as well as practicing.

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Fair enough.
 
Basic human behavior, once one cuts out the BS taught to the public at large. Our behavior is driven by motivations. As thinking human beings, we are capable of multiple and sometimes conflicting motivations that cause our behavior to reflect complicated, sometimes seemingly hypocritical or self-damaging acts. That's part of being a conscious, thinking organism. People act in risky ways because our purpose in life is not to live as long as possible and leave a good looking corpse, in spite of the daily marketing messages we see everywhere. Our motivation is to live a happy life that contains enough enjoyment to make it worth living. That's who we are. So a healthy outlook on life can conflict with what's the best behavior to minimize risks to one's health.

You enjoy the personal pleasure of lighting up a cigar, for various reasons. You also enjoy helping others in your career by giving them advice on how to live a healthy life (not necessarily a happy life, only a healthy one). That's not being a hypocrite, unless you really believe smoking the cigar poses no health risk and you're just saying what's expected of you.
 
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Hay I have furry paws

My Main vices in no specific order (Actually most of these are just excesses that people have advised that I should cut down on)

Smoking a nice rough cut dutch shag minced for me by my tobacconist ('bout 25g a week),
Drinking Real Ale (and making up all the abstainers throughout history), (around 20+ a week)
Butter & Full fat milk (Butter should be thickly sliced and salted), (500g+ of butter, and 10-15 litres of milk a week)
Ramen (When is Wagamama going to do a Tonkutso), (about 12 bowls of assorted ramen a week)
Tea (Mashed for at least 5 mins, milk with a little sugar, Yorkshire Tea) (hard to say how much go through around 80-140 teabags a fortnight, use 4-5 bags a time in my 3litre pot (6 Mugs))

Most people look at my diet and the amount of Food-Fats & Beer and I consume and then wonder, why am I such a steady 65kg,

I exercise through that one vice that no-one seems to have listed
Masturbation (about. err, hey look lets see if I can make a map of the Philippines)

Meh enjoy life while you can, who wants to live all those extended years inontinent, impotent and senile. just a burbling, dribbly, limp, poop making machine.
 
Dr. Imago said:
Okay, there are certainly things we all do that we know we shouldn't. I advocate, for example, almost daily (yes, even as anesthesiologist) to patients about exercising, maintaining an ideal body weight, not smoking, etc. However, I will admit that I'm a bit hypocritical in that regard.

My vice? I enjoy cigars. There, I said it. :) I cannot, in good conscience, condone this behavior in myself or my patients. In fact, I'm a bit hypocritical I suppose when I tell people not to smoke. Yet, I do enjoy smoking a cigar on occassion and enjoy it with a nice glass of single malt to boot. I can't claim that I'm not aware of the risk that this adds to my life, but the enjoyment of it seems in my mind to outweigh the risks.

I know the whole "doctor heal thyself" mantra. And, I recognize that I probably shouldn't engage in this behavior. Yet, I still do it anyway.

So, what are your vices that you know you shouldn't do, but do anyway? And, if possible, explain why you engage in them. Likewise, do you feel it is okay if you are fully aware of the risks? Discuss.

-Dr. Imago
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Question: why shouldn't you enjoy the occasional (key term) cigar?

I find them disgusting, myself, just so you know.

But how does say, one a day hurt you? Or anyone around you? They stink to high heaven, to be sure, but hell, so do my dogs. How would a couple or three cigarettes a day be bad?

I believe you are asking about EXCESS, not simple use. While orgs. like MADD, in their irrational pique, and anti-smoking fascists would ban all alcohol and tobacco, is there solid medical evidence that enjoying the occasional smoke (three packs a day? 6 cigars a day? No) or drink is detrimental to your or anyone else's health (excluding the slave labor that makes your cigars or tequilla, blah, blah, blah...)?

Tokie

Tokie
 
Tiktaalik said:
Go hiking alone without telling anyone where I'm going. No cell phone reception. Or, go off my intended route.

Considering that someone I know disappeared recently while dayhiking, I know it's really stupid. I'm thinking of getting a PLB...
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How does this endanger anyone else?

I guess if you get eaten by a bear or fall down a ravine and someone expects you back sometime, and they then call in the authorities, that can endanger the searchers/rescuers...also, if you have young children at home who need your suppport (do you have adequate life insurance?).

But otherwise, how does this endanger anyone but you? I can think of any number of wild creatures that would benefit from your falling down, cracking your head open and dying on some lonely trail, especially this time of year, so all the other things taken out of the equation, you'd actually be doing more good than harm.

As someone I once knew who trained US Rangers desert survival would say: make sure you tell someone where you are going, so they know where to find your body.

Tokie
 
Diogenes said:
How recently ?
Are they still missing ?


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Where I live, this happens almost daily. Many are never heard from again, sometimes their dessicated bones are found years later.

Recently a very experienced hiker, doing nothing wrong, had a tree fall on him. Killed him.

Stuff happens.

Tokie
 
XBoxWarrior said:
I occasionally like to smoke some herb and drive my car up in the mountains, with the stereo blasting, and my dog "Moses" running along side in the snow. I know, not really safe for the dog, (some would say) but it's his favorite thing to do, short of running along side of my mountain bike. (yes he's a 'tire biter')

I never have seen anyone else doing this, and if I did, I surely wouldn't try and tell them to stop.

However, it is 5 degrees F outside today, and I am not pedaling around in the hills to make Moses happy, and he needs the exercise.

I do smoke cigarettes, and drink alcohol, and I will probably die from cancer or liver failure, at least it won't be Alzheimer's...

So what?

p.s. I do live alone, with Moses.
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My dogs are too short to do that. But a question: when I first started riding offroad oh...15 years ago, I'd get chased by dogs alla time.

Having raised dogs all my life and having dealt with them in other situations, I knew how to handle this and never got bit, even when the dog's owner was an utter moron, but here's a curious thing: I haven't had this happen to me in maybe 10 years now.

I try to slow down when approaching dogs,just because I hit a big one once and it bent my front forks and scratched up my helmet (the ground, not the dog) and those things are really expensive.

Do you think it's simply an issue of how FAST you whiz by a hound?

Tokie
 
Isn't pointing out the hypocrisy of someone giving advice simply an ad hominem attack? Good advice is good advice, regardless of whether the purveyor follows it.
 
Michael Redman said:
Isn't pointing out the hypocrisy of someone giving advice simply an ad hominem attack? Good advice is good advice, regardless of whether the purveyor follows it.
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No...it's pointing out their hypocrisy.

And who says it's good advice? We've been told for decades (US) that being even as little as 10 lbs "overweight" (based on some pretty damned arbitrary means of rating) will take decades off your life.

It's simply not true. Nor is there any good science to indicate "second hand smoke" is akin to a mustard gas attack in France, circa 1917 as we are told by the anti-everythingists.

Tokie
 
- Smoking
- This and Universal thread forums (I watch everything, but I have restrained for some time to post, until now....).
- Wake up at 10 am and go to bed at 3 am
 
Diogenes said:
How recently ?
Are they still missing ?


( sorry for derail )
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Sorry, I logged out soon after posting that.

He went missing on November 10 in Sinks Canyon in the Wind River Range outside Lander, WY. I participated in the 2nd week of the search. He is still missing. See http://claysclimbinghigher.blogspot.com for more info, if interested.

By the way, I shouldn't have abbreviated: "PLB" stands for Personal Locator Beacon, a satellite-linked emergency rescue system. They don't work for all situations - but if you're still conscious & coherent for a short time after, say, a fall, you could trigger it & at least people will know where to search...
 
If the search and rescue team takes risks looking for you, that makes you a bad person if you were careless in your hiking habits. I'm not sure hiking alone qualifies as careless. Sometimes there isn't anyone to go with or you really do enjoy being alone.
 
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