Continued: (Ed) Atheism Plus/Free Thought Blogs (FTB)

When my mum was a housewife, she used to do most of the cooking, with my dad, my brother and I occasionally doing it. When she went out to work, my brother and I took on all cooking responsibilities as well as our fair share of the housework.

What she seems to be objecting to is women who go out to work who get no help with the cooking or care of the children. This seems a reasonable objection. Now, if she'd only said that, rather than lumping every single woman in the Western world into that category automatically, that article would be a lot better.
 
Uh oh

PZ Myers, that super principled guiding light of atheism, has just shown us that all you need to do to maintain that ethical high ground is simply make stuff up about other people.

It seems that anyone who comments over at Michael Nugent's blog is now a rapist.

Link here

SJWs and their principals...Bwahahahahaha.
 
Stout said:
It seems that anyone who comments over at Michael Nugent's blog is now a rapist.
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That's not what Myers said. What he did say and his lack of logic and critical thinking when defending what he said is bad enough without having to embellish it.
 
Stout said:
Uh oh

PZ Myers, that super principled guiding light of atheism, has just shown us that all you need to do to maintain that ethical high ground is simply make stuff up about other people.

It seems that anyone who comments over at Michael Nugent's blog is now a rapist.

Link here

SJWs and their principals...Bwahahahahaha.
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PZ is angry. His speaking gigs have dried up. Near as I can tell, he's down to one per year.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
That's not what Myers said. What he did say and his lack of logic and critical thinking when defending what he said is bad enough without having to embellish it.
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The offending tweet is right there, it's the second one down in the link I posted.

It's the one where Meyers says "........providing a haven for harassers, misogynists and rapists.

Harassers and misogynists ? Who cares? That's boilerplate SJWspeak that doesn't really mean anything but rapists ? Now there's a serious criminal accusation that anyone, especially those commenting using their real names, should have real cause for concern over.
 
Stout said:
The offending tweet is right there, it's the second one down in the link I posted.

It's the one where Meyers says "........providing a haven for harassers, misogynists and rapists.

Harassers and misogynists ? Who cares? That's boilerplate SJWspeak that doesn't really mean anything but rapists ? Now there's a serious criminal accusation that anyone, especially those commenting using their real names, should have real cause for concern over.
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"...providing a haven for harassers, misogynists and rapists" =/= "anyone who posts there is a rapist". The first is what Myers actually said, and the second is how you represented what he said.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
"...providing a haven for harassers, misogynists and rapists" =/= "anyone who posts there is a rapist". The first is what Myers actually said, and the second is how you represented what he said.
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So are you saying that Myers is only calling some of the people who post there are rapists then ? If so, how can we tell the rapists from the non rapists ?
 
Stout said:
So are you saying that Myers is only calling some of the people who post there are rapists then ?
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I'm saying that you misrepresented what he said, and that there is no need for you to do so when what he actually said was bad enough without embellishment.

If so, how can we tell the rapists from the non rapists ?
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You'd have to ask Myers.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
"...providing a haven for harassers, misogynists and rapists" =/= "anyone who posts there is a rapist". The first is what Myers actually said, and the second is how you represented what he said.
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Stout said:
So are you saying that Myers is only calling some of the people who post there are rapists then ? If so, how can we tell the rapists from the non rapists ?
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From what I've read of his stuff; Myers seems to be a big fan of implication by association. He puts all these things together, making sure there is a clear and obvious conclusion; and doing everything short of flat out stating that conclusions and accusing someone directly. He go the roundabout way saying A=B, and B=C, and C=D; but never come right out say A=D. That way he can maintain a certain amount of plausible deniability with regard to defamation laws, and can accuse his detractors of "misinterpreting" him and "putting words in his mouth"; while at the same time being sufficiently accusatory to maintain his support among the frothing SJW crowd who form the core of his fanbase these days.

In this case; he's pointing to a crowd and saying "this crowd is full of rapists". Without defining what he means by "full of", or explicitly pointing out the rapists, he's engaging in well-poisoning by creating a bad apple guilt-by-association fallacy.

It leaves one to wonder just how much of his ranting is actually honest support for his stated positions; and how much is manufactured outrage to boost his readership numbers.
 
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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
I'm saying that you misrepresented what he said, and that there is no need for you to do so when what he actually said was bad enough without embellishment.
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I don't know what you'd expect to find in a "haven for.... rapists", I'd expect to find rapists and according to Myers, I'll be able to find these criminals in the comment section of Nugent's blog.

Where in earth is the misrepresentation ?
 
Stout said:
I don't know what you'd expect to find in a "haven for.... rapists", I'd expect to find rapists and according to Myers, I'll be able to find these criminals in the comment section of Nugent's blog.

Where in earth is the misrepresentation ?
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If I were to say that Afghanistan were a haven for terrorists, would you believe that I was saying that every single person in Afghanistan was a terrorist? If I were to say that Morocco in the 1950s was a haven for gay people, would you believe that I was saying that every single person in Morocco in the 1950s was gay? If I were to say that my garden were a haven for butterflies, would you believe that I was saying that all living creatures within my garden must necessarily be butterflies?

No?

Then why when PZ Myers describes this one blog as "a haven for [...] rapists", do you have to rephrase it to make it seem as if he's saying that everybody who comments at the blog is a rapist?
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
If I were to say that Afghanistan were a haven for terrorists, would you believe that I was saying that every single person in Afghanistan was a terrorist? If I were to say that Morocco in the 1950s was a haven for gay people, would you believe that I was saying that every single person in Morocco in the 1950s was gay? If I were to say that my garden were a haven for butterflies, would you believe that I was saying that all living creatures within my garden must necessarily be butterflies?

No?

Then why when PZ Myers describes this one blog as "a haven for [...] rapists", do you have to rephrase it to make it seem as if he's saying that everybody who comments at the blog is a rapist?
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So you want to go with only some of the posters over in Nugent's comment section are rapists then, OK which ones then? Just the ones with recognizable handles from the Slymepit or maybe commentators that don't ideologically resonate with a particular reader ?

Who are these rapists that Myers is talking about and what evidence does he have that that any one of those posters in that "haven" have committed a serious criminal offense ? He must have some, right> He wouldn't just make that up now would he. No of course not, he has to know not only the identities of the posters but their criminal histories as well.

We're not talking accused rapists nor alleged rapists, we're talking rapists, and a lot of them.
 
d4m10n said:
I wasn't aware that Ogvorbis is posting at Mick Nugent's blog these days.

Wait, Ogvorbis found a comforting haven at Pharyngula?

Oh, well, then. This must be an excercise in politicized projection.
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It's just too weird, isn't it. I know I'll find an admitted rapist at Myers Blog as I know I'll find an admitted racist in the A+ Blogs. It's like there's some sort of projection going on with these SJWs.

You know what they say about burglars always locking their doors.
 
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