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rustypouch said:
I think there's consistency to SJW outrage.

If a white, heterosexual man does something, it's worthy of scorn.
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OK, I think I get it now. A less privileged person may appropriate the culture of the more privileged, but a more privileged person may not appropriate the culture of the less privileged. It's Robin Hood justice (it's OK for the poor to take from the rich).

I'd think in a free society, it would be OK to adopt an art form you like, but the pattern I see is, SJWs want a less free society -- one of forced social justice down to the most trivial actions (e.g., no freeze peach allowed if it annoys the underprivileged).

Am I catching on, qwints? If not, clarify it for me, please.
 
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Mr. Scott said:
Exactly how is "appropriating a culture" in its most common forms harmful? Should I be outraged when African-Americans sing Italian opera? The nerve of them!
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I find the appropriation of European instruments by black musicians offensive.
 
In Etsy's case, it is not likely that western companies would do beads work. However, it is more likely that Chinese or asian companies would make cheap copies to sell to tourists. Since Chinese people are less privilege than natives, it would be ok. This will also explain the counterfeit industry of luxury goods, for example.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Can you be more specific here? I'm not sure what you mean by this.
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What I'm saying is the other arts she's proficient in are arts appropriated from cultures other than native American. In other words, it's OK if we do it.

Etsy is a site dedicated to independent artisans creating and selling their own work, there's no mass produced knock-offs allowed ( that's what eBay is for ) so he complaints about

The traditional crafts are being trumped by the masses of cheap knock-offs and the sufficiently White-washed of meaning and design. My most ‘favorited’ items are those that are most divorced from traditional Native imagery. My sales suffer because I offer genuine, Native American-made crafts complete with the time it took to learn to make these things correctly and the quality of traditional materials, and that costs money that knock-offs don’t have to spend.
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are really complaints about non native's working in a medium that she feels should be reserved for natives.

What's even funnier is that she's willing to sell me a native designed item and then willing to accuse me of cultural appropriation for wearing it. Oh, and during their thread on white people and dreadlocks, I actually asked a black person if, should I join something like Hair Club For Men and actually get hair, would it be "OK" for me to get dreads? He said "no problem" . I have permission so white SJW's will just have to suck it up.
 
Hercules Rockefeller said:
Why? The connection is that they're making Chinese food which is a part of Chinese culture.
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I'm thinking more of a situation of a chef who hasn't studied Chinese cuisine writing a cookbook based on their perceptions of what Chinese cuisine is. It's the purporting to represent a culture without a connection to that culture that I'd understand someone taking offense at.

Mr. Scott said:
I'd think in a free society, it would be OK to adopt an art form you like, but the pattern I see is, SJWs want a less free society -- one of forced social justice down to the most trivial actions (e.g., no freeze peach allowed if it annoys the underprivileged).

Am I catching on, qwints? If not, clarify it for me, please.
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Nope, it's about compassion and solidarity not compulsion and silencing.
 
Mr. Scott said:
Practically all the Japanese-themed restaurants near me are owned and operated by Chinese. I assume it's OK for non-whites to appropriated any culture they like, including any of the dozens of white cultures, but white cultures may not appropriate any non-white culture. Am I catching on?
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Yes.
 
qwints said:
I'm thinking more of a situation of a chef who hasn't studied Chinese cuisine writing a cookbook based on their perceptions of what Chinese cuisine is. It's the purporting to represent a culture without a connection to that culture that I'd understand someone taking offense at.
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This means that Elvis, who grew up going to black clubs in America to listen to blues and rock and roll is okay, but the Beatles, who didn't, aren't.
 
It's pretty straight forward. On one hand she's decrying the participation of non natives in a craft she considers part of her culture yet on the other hand boasts that she's become proficient in crafts that are clearly not part of her culture.

An interesting article on cultural appropriation

TW Salon
 
But, while I don't think her position is entirely thought through, and I take issue with the parts I've highlighted, and much as I hate the way that the idea of "privilege" is used as both a club with which to beat people and an excuse to behave unpleasantly towards others, that doesn't mean that there's not a power imbalance between different cultures or that that imbalance shouldn't be accounted for. Taking something that's an important part of the culture of a marginalised minority and bastardising it is not the same as assimilating something from the culture which is dominant in the society within which you live.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
But, while I don't think her position is entirely thought through, and I take issue with the parts I've highlighted, and much as I hate the way that the idea of "privilege" is used as both a club with which to beat people and an excuse to behave unpleasantly towards others, that doesn't mean that there's not a power imbalance between different cultures or that that imbalance shouldn't be accounted for. Taking something that's an important part of the culture of a marginalised minority and bastardising it is not the same as assimilating something from the culture which is dominant in the society within which you live.
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What is being bastardized here ?

Cultures evolve, art forms evolve

Are you suggesting that I shouldn't study karate because a few disgruntled Japanese people might want to keep that art form for their own or consider the style I'm most comfortable with as being not traditional enough ?
 
How dare you enjoy activities that come from another culture?! :mad:

You don't enjoy any activities that come from other cultures? You bigoted xenophobe! :mad:

Atheism +: Atheism plus stupidity.
 
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