Moderated Continuation - Why a one-way Crush down is not possible

Heiwa said:
Below is correspondence with ASCE:

Dear Anders,

I checked the folder and I do not see anything. Is there anyway you can fax it. I will check with a few other people to see if they have it.

Jennifer

________________________________

From: Hermine BJORKMAN [mailto:anders.bjorkman@wanadoo.fr]
Sent: Fri 9/11/2009 2:20 PM
To: ASCE Journal-Submissions1
Cc: Corotis@Colorado.EDU; BJORKMAN
Subject:


Dear Jennifer,

pls advise what is going on!

Kind regards

Anders

----- Original Message -----
From: "ASCE Journal-Submissions1" <journal-submissions1@asce.org <https://remote.asce.org/dana-cached/help/empty.html> >
To: "Anders Björkman" <anders.bjorkman@wanadoo.fr <https://remote.asce.org/dana-cached/help/empty.html> >
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: Incomplete Submission for Journal of Engineering Mechanics



Dear Anders,

I will check on Tuesday when I am back in the office.

Jennifer

________________________________

From: Anders Björkman [mailto:anders.bjorkman@wanadoo.fr]
Sent: Thu 8/27/2009 4:35 PM
To: ASCE Journal-Submissions1
Subject: Re: Incomplete Submission for Journal of Engineering Mechanics



Dear Jennifer!

It was sent early June! With nice stamps of Monaco. Pls have a look in your
mail box.

best regards

Anders


----- Original Message -----
From: "ASCE Journal-Submissions1" <journal-submissions1@asce.org <https://remote.asce.org/dana-cached/help/empty.html> >
To: "Anders Björkman" <anders.bjorkman@wanadoo.fr <https://remote.asce.org/dana-cached/help/empty.html> >
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: Incomplete Submission for Journal of Engineering Mechanics



Dear Anders,

I just have to wait to receive the signed copyright form in the mail.

Jennifer Parresol


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-----Original Message-----
From: Anders Björkman [mailto:anders.bjorkman@wanadoo.fr]
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:30 PM
To: ASCE Journal-Submissions1
Subject: Re: Incomplete Submission for Journal of Engineering Mechanics

Dear Jennifer.

It says manuscript sent back to Author. The View Letter says I must sign the
Copyright agreement. Which I did per snail mail. Everything else is approved
since 3 June 2009.

What else can I do?

br

Anders


----- Original Message -----
From: "ASCE Journal-Submissions1" <journal-submissions1@asce.org <https://remote.asce.org/dana-cached/help/empty.html> >
To: "Anders Björkman" <anders.bjorkman@wanadoo.fr <https://remote.asce.org/dana-cached/help/empty.html> >
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:27 PM
Subject: RE: Incomplete Submission for Journal of Engineering Mechanics



Dear Anders,

Please log into the system and see if there is a duplicate.

Jennifer


Edited by Gaspode: 
Edited for Rule 8


-----Original Message-----
From: Anders Björkman [mailto:anders.bjorkman@wanadoo.fr]
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:57 PM
To: ASCE Journal-Submissions1
Subject: Re: Incomplete Submission for Journal of Engineering Mechanics
Importance: High

Dear Ms Parresol.

Very strange. The revisionen was completed in May or June and I also sent a
signed Copyright document to you via ordinary mail. I am waiting for the
paper to be published.

Best regards

Anders Björkman


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jennifer Parresol" <journal-submissions1@asce.org <https://remote.asce.org/dana-cached/help/empty.html> >
To: <anders.bjorkman@wanadoo.fr <https://remote.asce.org/dana-cached/help/empty.html> >
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:24 PM
Subject: Incomplete Submission for Journal of Engineering Mechanics


>
> Dear Mr Björkman,
>
> Thank you for registering with the Journal of Engineering Mechanics. When
> checking the system I noticed that you have started to revise your
> submission entitled "What Did and Did not Cause Collapse of WTC Twin
> Towers in New York", but have not completed the process. Is there
> anything we can do to help you complete the upload of your manuscript? Was
> there a problem and the manuscript should be withdrawn?
>
> I have added some instructions below that might help you complete the
> process. If these instructions won't help, please feel free to contact the
> journals office at 703-295-6290 or e-mail journal-submissions1@asce.org <https://remote.asce.org/dana-cached/help/empty.html> .
>
> If we do not hear back from you within two weeks from the date of this
> letter we will presume that you are no longer interested in submitting a
> manuscript, and we will withdraw your submission.
>
> I look forward to hearing from you soon.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jennifer Parresol
> Journal of Engineering Mechanics
>
> 1. To complete the upload process please log into the Editorial Management
> System, by clicking the link provided http://jrnemeng.edmgr.com/ <https://remote.asce.org/dana-cached/help/empty.html> and
> follow these steps. Click on Incomplete submission under your Authors
> Main menu. Then click edit submission. This will bring up your submission
> and you can continue through the process until your PDF is built. Then
> click on submit, this will send your submission to ASCE for further
> processing.
>
> 2. To remove your submission please log into the Editorial Management
> System by clicking the link http://jrnemeng.edmgr.com/ <https://remote.asce.org/dana-cached/help/empty.html> and follow these
> steps. Click on Incomplete Submission under your Authors Main menu. Then
> click on remove submission. Once you have clicked on remove submission
> your file is closed and you will not be able to edit that file again.
>
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I saw nothing in this correspondence about the paper being published, except for you saying you were "waiting for it to be published". Did I just miss it?
 
> If we do not hear back from you within two weeks from the date of this
> letter we will presume that you are no longer interested in submitting a
> manuscript, and we will withdraw your submission.

Interesting, that. Did Heiwa simply make such a mess of the submission process that the journal assumed he no longer wanted to submit the comment?

Dave
 
Dave Rogers said:
> If we do not hear back from you within two weeks from the date of this
> letter we will presume that you are no longer interested in submitting a
> manuscript, and we will withdraw your submission.

Interesting, that. Did Heiwa simply make such a mess of the submission process that the journal assumed he no longer wanted to submit the comment?

Dave
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This looks intriguingly similar to the Standard Operating Procedure used by Million Dollar Challenge applicants. Drag your feet, fill out forms wrong, keep them waiting, then, when the submission is finally rejected, claim you were treated unfairly for political/ideological reasons.
 
Dave Rogers said:
> If we do not hear back from you within two weeks from the date of this
> letter we will presume that you are no longer interested in submitting a
> manuscript, and we will withdraw your submission.

Interesting, that. Did Heiwa simply make such a mess of the submission process that the journal assumed he no longer wanted to submit the comment?

Dave
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No! I followed all the requests of ASCE in June 2009 (not very difficult) and then, suddenly, this strange question from ASCE ... which we are now sorting out.

I haven't heard from Jennifer/ASCE since her last mail se we have to wait.
 
Heiwa said:
No! I followed all the requests of ASCE in June 2009 (not very difficult) and then, suddenly, this strange question from ASCE ... which we are now sorting out.

I haven't heard from Jennifer/ASCE since her last mail se we have to wait.
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Not all of us are going to hold our breath.
 
Heiwa said:
Hm, if you treat the problem in 1-D the upper, lose part C should be, e.g. 10 material points, each with mass m, held together by potentials/springs, and the lower part A, connected to ground, could be, e.g. 90 material points, also each with mass m, and held together by potentials/springs. The springs differ - they become 'stronger' lower down as any spring can carry the m above while just elastically compress a little.

At impact C/A you'll find that the 10 C m are decelarated and that the C springs are compressed. The 90 A m are accelerated while the A springs are also compressed. If no spring breaks (and no energy is lost due to friction) the springs will decompress, the material points will move in another direction and the two parts C and A will oscilate. It is quite easy to describe it with differential equations. Evidently no one-way crush down of A takes place.

If one spring breaks, i.e. a local failure occurs, you have to find out what spring breaks, and re-do the analysis with C and A where one part is modified (one spring broken).

If you can show that part C and its 10 m can break the 90 A springs due to initial energy applied by moving C (being dropped on A) and by energy added, when the 100 m displace by gravity down to ground, you have solved the one-way crush down problem in 1-D.

So far nobody has been able to do so!
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No,nobody has tried to do it.There is a difference.Nobody is interested in your failed challenge.
 
dafydd said:
No,nobody has tried to do it.There is a difference.Nobody is interested in your failed challenge.
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It's not too surprising when no one is able to falsify an unfalsifiable claim.

A have a standing challenge that will pay a bazillion dollars to anyone who can divide by zero. So far, no one has been able to do it.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
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However, the complete central core itself was fully braced within itself and had a very high moment of inertia (or resistance to bending) due to it's 137 ft. x 87 ft. plan, which would allow it to be self-suporting over the height of the towers. It did not need lateral support from the floors and perimeter.
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The cores were laterally braced by the floors.

“In the as-designed drawings, there were strap anchors connecting the core columns to the concrete floor slab to provide lateral bracing to the columns. At floor 26 of WTC 1, the straps at column 901 were removed during a renovation project that was engineered by a firm other than Leslie E. Robertson Associates, R.L.L.P. (see Sec.2.5.4). The loss of the straps at this location was included in the model by releasing the column from the diaphragm in the direction of the straps.”

http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR 1-2A Baseline.pdf

I’ve seen these straps drawings, can’t find them at the moment.
 
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