Continuation: 'What about building 7?'

[tsig]

I am speaking about items within the plan of the building. How thick do you think the gypsum dust on items would have been about 7 to 10 stories into the collapse of the North Tower within the plan of the building? Don't forget they used heavy gypsum wallboard in the buildings.

Don't you know? I'd think you would have such facts at your fingertips.

 

[tsig]

I don't see how you can make such an ignorant statement. How exactly does my saying something by a Physics professor is on the Journal of 911 Studies indicate that it is the only place I get my information?

Because it's the only one you cited.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Because it's the only one you cited.

I think you're being a bit harsh on Tony by saying he only gets his information from the Journal of 9/11 Studies. He's perfectly capable of making up his own information.

Dave

 

[GlennB]

The arsonists and the explosive demolition teams were both working in 7?

Thanks for reminding us. In all the technical waffle I'd overlooked this.

But wait! Can't they have been multi-talented and just have done the CD prep just before they set the fires (being careful not to set fires too close to the CD charges)?

Such skill. You have to admire them.

Wait again! The critical fires were in the exact zone that the charges were set. My admiration for their cunning grows by the day. Probably best to just bow down and welcome our MiB NWO overlords. They're probably protected against green kryptonite too.

 

[tsig]

Embers from WTC towers started fires in WTC 7. But then you don't do science, you do fantasy. You have a fantasy thermite; fantasy CD, and a super fantasy inside job; where people planted explosives to murder thousands.

No wonder you can't figure out debris from WTC towers started, you do fantasy, reality has been on hold for 13 years.

What is the auto ignition temperature of paper? Was there any paper in WTC 7?

Arson did it? lol, that means fire destroyed WTC 7. Who set the fires Tony?

13 years, and zero evidence.

Wow, you know 911 was an inside job, but you have more important things to do? What? I guess happy hour is more important than breaking the biggest inside job since Watergate. What is stopping you? A rational story and evidence. Yes, better run along, the big evil inside job can wait another 13 years of BS and lies.

The fires were set to cover the use of explosives/idiot mode off

 

[beachnut]

Tony,
... building fires every year are started by hot objects 1/2" in diameter x 2/3 inch long (cigarette butts). ...

Oh, embers can't start fires, Tony has the science and super engineering skills of thousands backing up his no fire can start... stuff.

~ 7,600 smoking-related fires in residential buildings occur each year in the United States.

oops - maybe ziggi can refute fire - when will he present his evidence for CD and the inside job.

 

[DGM]

Don't you know? I'd think you would have such facts at your fingertips.

Doesn't matter. He's created yet another strawman. Unless someone is claiming WTC7 was inside the foot print of WTC1 the arguement has no merit. WTC7 was hit by material the peeled off and shed outside.

Tony hopes no one notices this sort of thing.

 

[jaydeehess]

I am pretty much done showing that the fires in WTC 7 could not have been due to the collapse of the North Tower and that arson is the likely cause.

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You did not show, demonstrate, or illustrate any such thing. All you did was proclaim something not probable and then proclaim something else.

Who were your arson spooks, when did they enter WTC 7, how did they go unseen, wjat evidence beyond your own imagination, is there for their existence at all?

 

[jaydeehess]

Tony, the trolls are working overtime to divert attention from Chris and his over-g trouble. Don´t feed them. Let´s see if Chris resurfaces.

What over g trouble?
Over g demonstrates forces other than simple vertical gravitation were operating. What reasoning do YOU or Tony or Gerry, give for why these forces can only be present in a controlled demolition?

 

[NoahFence]

It isn't just a lack of photographic evidence for fires in WTC 7 for nearly two hours after the North Tower collapsed. There were a number of helicopters in the air during that time and none of them reported fires in the building before 12:15 PM. In case you don't know the North Tower went down at 10:28 AM.

Such hubris.

Were they supposed to be talking to YOU?

 

[GlennB]

Such hubris.

Were they supposed to be talking to YOU?

Now, be fair.

That time gave the perps nearly 2 hours to rig 8x24 columns for CD while others (or even the same dudes) set fire to the very same area.

 

[NoahFence]

Oystein, please settle down. I saw you refer to that HUGE GASH from NISTs 2004 report in big bold letters before but you don´t realize that NIST withdrew the claim for that south face multi story gash in the 2008 report.

Withdrew the claim?
There's photographic evidence of it! You may as well withdraw the claim that water is wet!

LOL!!

 

[jaydeehess]

Multiple FDNY personnel reported seeing fires in WTC 7 from the exterior, some as early as about 11:00 a.m. Fires were observed on the west face around Floor 10²⁰, and several fires were seen higher up in the building, around the 20s and 30s.²¹ These fires were seen from Vesey and West Street. A firefighter reported seeing fire near the center of the south face around Floor 14, which appeared to be a single office fire. Windows were broken, and smoke and fire were coming out of the building.
​

NCSTAR 1-9 p.299.

The fire did not skip floors 10 and 14.

Your attempts to pooh pooh the extent of fire in the towers is ridiculous.

Verizon and P.O. very obviously had much less debris damage than WTC7 . Therefore less openings for burning debris and obviously not in the most direct path of debris in the first place. In addition the P.O. windows were wire reinforced.

What started fire in WTC5? More imaginary arson spooks?

Did WTC 5's fires take nearly two hours to be noticed?

See NCSTAR1-9 pg 299. For that matter try reading page 242.
Then note the rest of my post.

 

[DGM]

Such hubris.

Were they supposed to be talking to YOU?

I don't remember them reporting fires anywhere after the first collapse.

Maybe Tony has the transcripts? It's odd he brings up the police helicopters, I'm sure he disagrees with their assessments of the fires.

 

[jaydeehess]

I think you're being a bit harsh on Tony by saying he only gets his information from the Journal of 9/11 Studies. He's perfectly capable of making up his own information.

Dave

With help from a Bran cereal and plenty of water.

 

[Ziggi]

ORLLY?

NCSTAR 1-9 (2008) page 363:

"As noted in Section 5.5, the debris from the collapse of WTC 1 created a gash in the west side of the south face of the building that stretched from the 17^th floor down to the 5^th floor."​

That´s refering to the damage to the south west corner, which has been accepted and carried over from the 2004 report to the 2008 report. This is not the same as the claim to a big gash in the south face made in the 2004 report, which was rejected and not included in the 2008 report.

 

[beachnut]

That´s refering to the damage to the south west corner, which has been accepted and carried over from the 2004 report to the 2008 report. This is not the same as the claim to a big gash in the south face made in the 2004 report, which was rejected and not included in the 2008 report.

Who planted your explosives in your CD fantasy? How did they do it? How much explosives were required to do your CD fantasy? Where is the engineering work to back up your CD theory? Where do you get silent explosives? Why is the dust tested in Harrit/Jones fake conclusion thermite paper, all different energies than real thermite? How do you get thermite in WTC 7? With your inside job, done by people you refuse to name, what were the 19 terrorists used for?

 

[LSSBB]

That´s refering to the damage to the south west corner, which has been accepted and carried over from the 2004 report to the 2008 report. This is not the same as the claim to a big gash in the south face made in the 2004 report, which was rejected and not included in the 2008 report.

Cool, there was a gash, burning embers and hot steel could have gotten in to create further fire havoc. Thanks for the confirmation.

 

[DGM]

That´s refering to the damage to the south west corner, which has been accepted and carried over from the 2004 report to the 2008 report. This is not the same as the claim to a big gash in the south face made in the 2004 report, which was rejected and not included in the 2008 report.

Would that be where hot stuff couldn't get in?

Still no comment on fire fighters/employee reports of fire well before two hours after the collapse.

 

[Ziggi]

...Pgimeno's quote proves your assertion wrong about no fires on floors 10-14: "Multiple FDNY personnel reported seeing fires in WTC 7 from the exterior, some as early as about 11:00 a.m. Fires were observed on the west face around Floor 1020, and several fires were seen higher up in the building, around the 20s and 30s....

No Chris, Pgimeno is not exactly the most reliable source. You have for example taken Ps out of context quotation as proof for 1) that debris from the Tower set fire in 7 and that 2) fire was observed on floor 10..

when NISTs report actually says the exact opposite:

1)

Since fires were observed on the ground surrounding WTC 7, it is possible that potential ignition sources entered WTC 7 through openings created in the south and west faces of the building during the collapses of the towers. NIST found no evidence to confirm this possibility, but the available data suggests that this was highly likely.

- NCSTAR page 194

2)

10th Floor

No fires were observed burning on this floor

- NCSTAR 1-9 page 244

Some people may have reported seeing fires as soon as 11am but if you read chapter 5 you see that NIST went through these claims and lists all sorts of reasons for not taking them as proof of fires inside building 7, such as smoke and fire from other building and cars and junk on the street on fire around the building, that could easily be confused with fire from inside building 7.