Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

[Andy_Ross]

accretion balls

 

[asydhouse]

Only in your imagination, Sol. Real scientists see contradiction as an opportunity to do a definitive experiment that will advance our understanding. There's a timeless Niels Bohr quote: "How wonderful that we have met with a paradox. Now we have some hope of making progress."

You claim to know how to breed a more beautiful and hardy orchid; why do you just stand outside the greenhouse throwing rocks at the glass?

Nominated! That last sentence is a beauty.

 

[aleCcowaN]

Shame about the old thread I guess 99 pages did strain the forum a bit ...

Don't worry, I can summarize that whole thread:

"deedledey dee, electric comet!"

[links to sources repeating ""deedledey dee, electric comet!" and its variations]

[a bunch of flies thumping on a window glass]

[highly cognitive beings trying to explain those flies the glass is not air and they should find their way around the glass]

[highly cognitive beings expecting this will suffice]

[THUMP!]

... part 3 ... / iterate

 

[ferd burfle]

Well, gosh , thanks.

 

[Haig]

Don't worry, I can summarize that whole thread:

"deedledey dee, electric comet!"

[links to sources repeating ""deedledey dee, electric comet!" and its variations]

[a bunch of flies thumping on a window glass]

[highly cognitive beings trying to explain those flies the glass is not air and they should find their way around the glass]

[highly cognitive beings expecting this will suffice]

[THUMP!]

... part 3 ... / iterate

That sums your shortcomings nicely

You forgot to say Electric Comets operate in an Electric Universe

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

That sums your shortcomings nicely

I would only reluctantly poke that particular tiger with a stick. What he lacks in stealth he makes up in ferociousness.

 

[Haig]

I would only reluctantly poke that particular tiger with a stick. What he lacks in stealth he makes up in ferociousness.

So what your saying is "he likes to dish it out but can't take" ?


Electric Comets for numpties

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

How about an answer to my question a few posts back?

 

[Haig]

How about an answer to my question a few posts back?

If you mean this post of yours HERE the answer is in the last line of my post that you quote !

"Round and round we go ... roll on the summer and the very active Electric Comet 67P"

Wait until the summer! get it now ?

Have you seen the latest pictures of Ceres ?

What do you think the enigmatic bright spot, which has now separated into two bright spots are being caused by ?

Could that be EDM like action on a asteroid ? and what about those hexagonal flat bottomed craters with central peaks ! very EU like

Mainstream speculate too ...

At last, Ceres is a geological world

The bright spots generally seem to have an association with craters, so I'm going to assume that they resulted from an impact exposing subsurface, brighter material until I see evidence to the contrary. I won't speculate on what that material is until Dawn gets closer. But we still don't know what is happening on Ceres yet, and have to keep open the possibility that they are volcanic.

Volcanic action on a asteroid ... imagine that !

My money is on EDM like action

you know like Electric Comets ...

The evidence suggests that comets are highly negatively charged with respect to the Sun. As they rush toward the Sun, the voltage increases until at some point the comet nucleus begins to discharge. Electrons are stripped from a few points on the comet surface where the electric field is strongest. These "spark discharges" finely machine rocky material from the surface to form a "cathode jet" of negatively charged dust together with surface matter that has been torn apart to release ionized atoms and molecules

 

[LSSBB]

If you mean this post of yours HERE the answer is in the last line of my post that you quote !

"Round and round we go ... roll on the summer and the very active Electric Comet 67P"

Wait until the summer! get it now ?

Have you seen the latest pictures of Ceres ?

What do you think the enigmatic bright spot, which has now separated into two bright spots are being caused by ?

Could that be EDM like action on a asteroid ? and what about those hexagonal flat bottomed craters with central peaks ! very EU like

Mainstream speculate too ...

At last, Ceres is a geological world


Volcanic action on a asteroid ... imagine that !

My money is on EDM like action

you know like Electric Comets ...

What do you think would flow from a volcano on an icy dwarf planet?

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

What do you think would flow from a volcano on an icy dwarf planet?

But but.... that would imply ice volcanoes!!

If only we'd ever observed such things in our solar system.

Oh wait, we have, but those observations are from the late 80's onward, so my guess it the EU proponents have never actually looked at such recent mainstream publications.

 

[Reality Check]

"Round and round we go ... roll on the summer and the very active Electric Comet 67P"

Yes Haig, around and astounds we go with your inability to comprehend the delusion that is that electric comet idea after 5 years !

Now you add to the incomprehension with your personal fantasy that Ceres (an asteroid!) undergoes EDM

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

If you mean this post of yours HERE the answer is in the last line of my post that you quote !
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What, you think results of a google image constitute a specific answer to my question? It seems to me you don't actually understand the question.

I'll ask specifically. Try not to answer with obfuscation or a Gish gallop this time:

What specific features of the "jets" are explicitly and exclusively characteristic of some form of electrical phenomena? What specific features of diffuse gas venting from a sublimating object are absent from the "jets?"

Citations other than your biblethumper link, please. Actual electrical or plasma feature are what I'm asking about, not vague and squishy "looks like" criteria.

 

[Reality Check]

...Now you add to the incomprehension with your personal fantasy that Ceres (an asteroid!) undergoes EDM

P.S.
What has happened is that Dawn has got closer to Ceres and is seeing more details. So a bright spot in a crater seen by Hubble has been resolved into two bright spots. On in the center of the floor of the crater, another to one side of the center. N.B. that is relatively bright since these are actually dull spots against a dark background in images that have their contrast tweaked to show details.
Emily Lakdawalla states a scientifically obvious origin for the spots - a couple of impacts have exposed ice that Ceres is known to probably have. But she does not rule out volcanic activity as she explains:

The bright spots generally seem to have an association with craters, so I'm going to assume that they resulted from an impact exposing subsurface, brighter material until I see evidence to the contrary. I won't speculate on what that material is until Dawn gets closer. But we still don't know what is happening on Ceres yet, and have to keep open the possibility that they are volcanic. Why do I prefer the crater interpretation to the volcano interpretation? It's about my geological bias. it would be much more exciting for the bright spots to be volcano-related than crater-related; I really want it to be true that they're volcanic, because then there'd be a more exciting geologic history story to tell. So I have to calibrate my interpretation by dialing down my suspicion that they're volcanic, and insisting mentally that they must be impact-related until someone shows me incontrovertible evidence that they are volcanic. And then I will let myself be excited about volcanism on an asteroid!

This is not terrestrial volcanoes, Haig - this is ice volcanoes.
Could these bright spots on Ceres be ice volcanoes?
Water Found on Dwarf Planet Ceres, May Erupt from Ice Volcanoes

 

[Andy_Ross]

Now you add to the incomprehension with your personal fantasy that Ceres (an asteroid!) undergoes EDM

So it's a Comet then?

 

[aleCcowaN]

You forgot to say Electric Comets operate in an Electric Universe

I didn't; it was included in the deedledey-dee part. But for your peace of mind, I agree the Electric Universe works backwards and produces amazingly precise hindsight predictions. Velikovsky showed the path.

Also amazing, Ceres a dwarf planet having a geology and presenting slightly different aspect when photographed from different angles at different times! Whowuddathunkit!?

But be sure that -in these fora, almost exclusively driven by the Principle of Pleasure- it's not going to be me who will deprive most posters here from enjoying while they dissect your verbal produce and linkage.

And about the Electric Universe, there will be countless generations of flies thumping on the window glass and that won't make air of it.

 

[dasmiller]

So it's a Comet then?

Well, sure! It's an eccentric orbit, right?

We can do a little math here. Ceres' aphelion is ~16% greater than its perihelion, so the sun's E field should be ~35.5% stronger at aphelion (r^2). Suppose we need 1M volts for a good EDM; that means we'd want the aphelion voltage to be at least 1M volts higher than the perihelion voltage.

That's what we get if we assume the sun's E field is ~25 million volts at 1 AU.

If it works for Ceres, why not for Mercury? Mercury's much closer to the sun, and has a larger eccentricity, so Mercury would see a field variation of ~150 M volts over the course of an orbit. And of course, Mercury's orbit period is much lower, so the voltage changes are not only larger, they're much more rapid.

Plus, Mercury has about 367X the mass of Ceres.

Stacking it all up:
Voltage range per orbit: 149.4X Ceres
Orbit rate: 19X Ceres
Mass: 367X Ceres

So we'd expect Mercury to experience 149.4 * 19 * 367 = 1.05 milllion times as many EDM events as Ceres. If Ceres is experiencing 1 EDM event per earth year, Mercury should be experiencing roughly 2 per minute.

To my knowledge, we haven't observed anything like that.

But let's not stop there. Due to Earth's orbital eccentricity, the moon's distance from the sun varies from 0.98 to 1.02 AU. It should see 1.7X the voltage variation of Ceres, and Earth's orbit period is 4.6X shorter than Ceres', and the moon's mass is 82X Ceres; stacking them up, we'd expect the Moon to have ~630X as many EDM events as Ceres.

Odd that we haven't observed those.

Note that the relative EDM rates (630 X Ceres, 1.05 million X Ceres) are independent of the actual EDM voltage, as long as that voltage is consistent for the 3 bodies.

ETA: Maybe one could make the Ceres/Mercury/Moon thing look consistent if the EDM events were strongly dependent on the local plasma parameters so that the Moon and Mercury are experiencing constant, tiny discharges that we wouldn't notice. I'd think that would turn off any comets, though, and I don't have the attention span to try to come up with a combination of plasma density and ionization level that would make it all look consistent, particularly since whenever I've dug into this sort of thing, the numbers have said that the sun and comets should instantly explode. And if they didn't explode, all of the orbits would be wildly non-ballistic.

 

[Sol88]

I didn't; it was included in the deedledey-dee part. But for your peace of mind, I agree the Electric Universe works backwards and produces amazingly precise hindsight predictions. Velikovsky showed the path.

Also amazing, Ceres a dwarf planet having a geology and presenting slightly different aspect when photographed from different angles at different times! Whowuddathunkit!?

But be sure that -in these fora, almost exclusively driven by the Principle of Pleasure- it's not going to be me who will deprive most posters here from enjoying while they dissect your verbal produce and linkage.

And about the Electric Universe, there will be countless generations of flies thumping on the window glass and that won't make air of it.

With Hexagonal craters and all!!!

 

[Sol88]

Notice all the "ice' in the new image from OSIRIS camera!! HERE

ice ice everywhere dirtydeepfriedicecream confirmed, nothing to see here, move along.

Well at least we are not looking at rock, just rocky like stuff with bright stuff shining thru!!!

Holger Sierks said, “Higher strength material that was a surprise to us.” “With this picture of dust falling back to the surface forming high porosity layers, we failed to explain the rebounds.” “It’s rocky-like stuff, but not rock.” “We also see this stuff shining through where the dust layer is wiped away or fallen off following the gravitational field and exposing a higher-strength material and this is something we could consider be the reason for the rebound.”

 

[Reality Check]

Notice all the "ice' in the new image from OSIRIS camera!! ...

No, Sol88 - we know that you are incapable of knowing what you see in astronomy images from your pervious bad attempts to do so. So you noticing anything correctly is highly improbable.
Comet flyby: OSIRIS catches glimpse of Rosetta’s shadow
Notice absolutely no mention of ice at the blog, Sol88!
Notice bright spots on the surface of 67P, Sol88.

Notice that it is a (Thunderbolts?) lie to say that scientists expect to see ice in OSIRIS images now that they have evidence that the surface of 67P is covered in dust !

The ignorance of depending on descriptive terms rather than science with "dirtydeepfriedicecream" confirmed.

Yes, Sol88, a mixture of dust and ices is "rocky-like stuff" especially in low gravity when they can more easily adhere.