Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

[Tolls]

Is that what you are reduced to?
Why do you bother?

To be honest, it's not much of a drop from "it looks like X so it must be X".

 

[jonesdave116]

Sol is also forgetting that H2O was found on and under the surface of Tempel 1 a number of years ago. Given that we have unambiguous data for H2O on the surface, beneath the surface and in the sublimation products of numerous comets, perhaps he could tell us what he thinks these bright patches are? Limestone? Salt? Cocaine?

 

[Mader Levap]

Looks like certain someone degenerated to posting macros and memes in reaction to news that endanger his religious-like conviction. Pathetic.

 

[tusenfem]

Thanks Sol88 for being so eloquent.

 

[Reality Check]

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25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor. Please report the results in your next post.
Your response so far is that you are too afraid of the real world to do this simple test and so you have to resort to inane images about scientists !

The mindless obsession with the Thunderbolts delusions remains true:

Easy, Sol88: You forgot that a mindless obsession with the Thunderbolts delusions hints that your brain forgotten basic facts about the real world!
Cliffs made up of CO, water, etc. ices will recede at their edges as those ices sublimate !
Also a delusion of your own- no one has forgotten about the trivial fact that there are observations about recession of icy cliffs at the margins on Tempel 1 as expected for icy cliffs.

The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos etc.

What else could we expect from someone ignorant enough to fall for neo-Velikovskian fairy stories!

• 12 June 2015 Sol88: Is Velikovsky's Venus explaining Joshua 10:13 a delusion or mainstream physics?
• 12 June 2015 Sol88: Do you agree with another Velikovskian delusion that Venus was a comet because of Egyptian crowns?
• 12 June 2015 Sol88: Was it you, Sol88, or Haig who was deluded enough that they thought that a body heated by the Sun would not heat up all over (including bits that are in shadow)?

Or support those delusions by
13th February 2015 Sol88: Quote mining of a MUPUS presentation to hide the fact that even snow at low temperatures can be as hard as the layer of ice MUPUS detected!
16th April 2015, Sol88: Do not repeat a lie about no ice being found (ice found on Tempel 1 and 67P - including surface ice!

P.S.
12 June 2015 Sol88: Was it you, Sol88, or Haig who was deluded enough that they thought that a body heated by the Sun would not heat up all over (including bits that are in shadow)?
23 June 2015 Sol88: Have you learned that it is your personal delusion that MIRO maps water in comet’s coma = rock?

 

[Sol88]

Mader Levap

According to EC methodology a la "it looks like bunny", this situation falsifies EC.

What about blue Bunnies?

The false colour images are red-green-blue composites assembled from monochrome images taken at different times and have been stretched and slightly saturated to emphasis the contrasts of colour such that dark terrains appear redder and bright regions appear significantly bluer compared with what the human eye would normally see.This imaging technique allows scientists to determine more about the nature of the material; in this case the bluer colour indicates the presence of ice. Credits: ESA/Rosetta/MPS for OSIRIS Team MPS/UPD/LAM/IAA/SSO/INTA/UPM/DASP/IDA

LINK

bright patches of exposed ice on the comet’s surface

That are blue in colour!

but now your saying this ice is not sublimating (or is it?) but the ice hidden under the surface is?

http://d2ws0xxnnorfdo.cloudfront.net/meme/614151

Quoted mined from the article

The false colour images are red-green-blue composites assembled from monochrome images taken at different times and have been stretched and slightly saturated to emphasis the contrasts of colour such that dark terrains appear redder and bright regions appear significantly bluer compared with what the human eye would normally see.

This imaging technique allows scientists to determine more about the nature of the material; in this case the bluer colour indicates the presence of ice.
Credits: ESA/Rosetta/MPS for OSIRIS Team MPS/UPD/LAM/IAA/SSO/INTA/UPM/DASP/IDA

Using the high-resolution science camera on board ESA’s Rosetta spacecraft, scientists have identified more than a hundred patches of water ice a few metres in size on the surface of Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko.

A new study just published in the journal Astronomy & Astrophysics focuses on an analysis of bright patches of exposed ice on the comet’s surface.
Based on observations of the gas emerging from comets, they are known to be rich in ices. As they move closer to the Sun along their orbits, their surfaces are warmed and the ices sublimate into gas, which streams away from the nucleus, dragging along dust particles embedded in the ice to form the coma and tail.

Despite this, Rosetta’s suite of instruments has already detected a variety of gases, including water vapour, carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide, thought to originate from frozen reservoirs below the surface.
In all cases, however, the bright patches were found in areas that receive relatively little solar energy, such as in the shadow of a cliff, and no significant changes were observed between images taken over a period of about a month. Furthermore, they were found to be bluer in colour at visible wavelengths compared with the redder background, consistent with an icy component.

Clear as mud eh!

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Edited for rule 5.

 

[Reality Check]

What about blue Bunnies?
...incoherent rant and inane image snipped..

What about the total ignorance of thinking that false color images show the true colors of comets when what you quote specifically states that it does not, Sol88 ?

Exposed water ice detected on comet’s surface

On the left hand side of the image a boulder with icy patches in Hatmehit (top) a cluster of icy features in Imhotep (middle) and a cluster in Khepry (bottom) is presented; on the right hand side a cluster in Anuket (top), a bright feature in Imhotep and a cluster close to the Khepry-Imhotep boundary (bottom) is shown. The false colour images are red-green-blue composites assembled from monochrome images taken at different times and have been stretched and slightly saturated to emphasis the contrasts of colour such that dark terrains appear redder and bright regions appear significantly bluer compared with what the human eye would normally see. This imaging technique allows scientists to determine more about the nature of the material; in this case the bluer colour indicates the presence of ice.

Clear as glass - it was always idiotic to think that comets were rocks because their density is that of ices and dust as you have known for about 6 years now, Sol88.
We have detected ices on comets before (Deep Impact and Tempel 1 was 10 years ago!).
We have detected ices on 67P.
Now we have detected surface water ice on 67P.

So your response to 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor. Please report the results in your next post. is to display your ignorance of basic English (false color) rather than to try to actually think about comets, Sol88 - what a surprise

 

[jonesdave116]

We have detected ices on comets before (Deep Impact and Tempel 1 was 10 years ago!).
We have detected ices on 67P.
Now we have detected surface water ice on 67P.

There seems to be a huge cognitive dissonance amongst the EU faithful about the direct detection of ices and H2O on comets. There is scads of stuff on it in the scientific literature. No mistake that they saw ice on Tempel 1, no mistake they saw H2O outgassing from the impact, and no mistake that they've seen H2O in the comas of many comets going back nearly 30 years.
And yet all that the genius behind this rubbish tells his scientifically illiterate followers on their website, is that the detection of water in cometary comas, and its production rates, are "mostly" based on the detection of OH. Maybe the word "mostly" was to cover his backside, so that when some of the delusional, brainwashed sheep actually figure out that it *has been* directly detected in numerous comets, he can say that he "didn't say it hadn't."

Then there is that bizarre story they came up with for Tempel 1. I've seen various nonsense on various fora, from non-existent double flashes, claims of which only ever seem to come from pseudoscience websites, with nothing in the scientific literature, to rubbish about a huge electrical discharge. Again, nothing about this in the scientific literature, purely made up and posted on pseudoscience websites, and easily refuted by the Swift observations. And then there was some loon on the Rosetta blog, suggesting that the discharge wiped out the spacecraft electronics, and they observed nothing! That was why they had to send Stardust/NExT to image the crater!

Which all goes to further my hypothesis that, to all intents and purposes, this nonsense is no different than ID, or YEC, OEC etc. It has, and never has had anything to do with science. It is a quasi-religious belief that no amount of evidence will ever kill off. Tempel 1 proved that, hence why they made up a story about it. It's the equivalent of arguing with a YEC who claims to be scientifically literate, but when you offer dating evidence, for example, they say "well, God made it appear to be 4.5 billion years old. It's a test of our faith."

At the end of the day it is just a bunch of mindless, scientifically illiterate to semi-literate sheep, who've been conned by a not particularly well qualified crank, charlatan and, in my opinion, fraudster. Fair play to him, if he's making a crust out of this, because he would never have amounted to anything in the world of real science. It's the people who are making this nobody a living who need to take a good look at themselves.
Meanwhile real science is either unaware of them, or totally ignores everything they say, and gets on perfectly well without their faith based nonsense.

 

[ferd burfle]

http://d2ws0xxnnorfdo.cloudfront.net/meme/614151

Sol, may I suggest you review your replies for unintended irony before you post them? Hint: You have to understand actual science before they give you command of a starship.

 

[Ziggurat]

Sol, may I suggest you review your replies for unintended irony before you post them?

It's like Tobias Funke. "Who would like a banger in the mouth?"

 

[Pixel42]

Sol, may I suggest you review your replies for unintended irony before you post them?

But that would greatly reduce his entertainment value. His false colour mistake gave me the best laugh I'd had in days.

 

[Dancing David]

Yeah they found trivial ice on Tempel 1 made a big hoohar but forgot about the

[qimg]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/PIA13862_Tempel_1_annotated.jpg[/qimg]

Please explain???

Please show me the ice in this photo...

https://twitter.com/mloughheed/status/438132455300927489

 

[Dancing David]

Is that what you are reduced to?
Why do you bother?

Has it ever advanced past that?

 

[Reality Check]

More real comet science covered in the Universe Today blog:
Rosetta’s Comet Sparkles with Ice, Blows Dust From Sinkholes

Comet 67P/C-G may be tiny at just 2.5 miles (4 km) across, but its diverse landscapes and the processes that shape them astound. To say nature packs a lot into small packages is an understatement.

In newly-released images taken by Rosetta’s high-resolution OSIRIS science camera, the comet almost seems alive. Sunlight glints off icy boulders and pancaking sinkholes blast geysers of dust into the surrounding coma.

This describes Exposed water ice detected on comet’s surface cited before and the newer Comet sinkholes generate jets

This story is mirrored from the main ESA web portal and is based on a paper just published in the journal Nature.

A number of the dust jets emerging from Rosetta’s comet can be traced back to active pits that were likely formed by a sudden collapse of the surface. These ‘sinkholes’ are providing a glimpse at the chaotic and diverse interior of the comet.

 

[tusenfem]

For those interested in the plasma around the comet: Niklas Edberg and co-workers have just published a paperSpatial distribution of low-energy plasma around comet 67P/CG from Rosetta measurements. (pay wall, but of course pdfs are easy to get)

 

[Sol88]

More real comet science covered in the Universe Today blog:
Rosetta’s Comet Sparkles with Ice, Blows Dust From Sinkholes

This describes Exposed water ice detected on comet’s surface cited before and the newer Comet sinkholes generate jets

http://cdn.meme.am/instances2/500x/578500.jpg comet-sinkholes-generate-jets

http://d2ws0xxnnorfdo.cloudfront.net/meme/611835 exposed-water-ice-detected-on-comets-surface

Well done science team!! Money well spent

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Edited for Rule 5. Do not hotlink unless the site specifically allows it.

 

[Sol88]

For those interested in the plasma around the comet: Niklas Edberg and co-workers have just published a paperSpatial distribution of low-energy plasma around comet 67P/CG from Rosetta measurements. (pay wall, but of course pdfs are easy to get)

Easy for a mug like me Tusenfem? Love to have a read

 

[Sol88]

https://imgflip.com/i/nqfyt

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Edited for rule 5.

 

[Sol88]

I mean really?

from the article

Scientists analysing the images think that the pits are formed when the ceiling of a subsurface cavity becomes too thin to support its own weight and collapses as a sinkhole. This exposes the fractured interior of the comet, allowing otherwise hidden material to sublimate, thus continuing to erode the pit over time.

So big mobs of debris on the bottom of the sinkhole/pit then?


NO????

The pits are a few tens to a few hundreds of metres in diameter and extend up to 210 m below the surface to a smooth dust-covered floor. Material is seen to be streaming from the most active pits.

does this even make sense?

“We see jets arising from the fractured areas of the walls inside the pits. These fractures mean that volatiles trapped under the surface can be warmed more easily and subsequently escape into space,” says Jean-Baptiste Vincent

so we can see the ICE then?

Ohhhh that's right we can exposed water ice on the surface of comets!!

So where are there jets for the exposed to space water ice?

and

where are the pit/sinkhole jets ice?

Sounds very to me!

 

[Andy_Ross]

So all you have left is incredulity and mocking|?