Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

[jeffreyw]

but when you only have square holes to work with...mainstream will keep bashing those round pegs till they fit!

Remember the dirtysnowyballofdust is DEAD. So where does that leave the mainstream? Comets did not seed Earth's water and they're not dirty snowballs..there goes two large pillars prior theory were resting on!

The EU doesn't have a theory for how Earth has water oceans either. So both establishment and EU are barking but no noise is coming out.

It is just chemistry. Hydrogen combines with oxygen forming water. It is an exothermic reaction. The activation energy required is provided by gravitational collapse. Where in the galaxy are there objects radiating, cool enough to combine hydrogen with oxygen in their gaseous phase, and undergoing gravitational collapse?

Neptune, Uranus, Jupiter and Saturn.

The objects make water as they evolve (raining down into their interiors, you guys know what rain is right?)

Noobs.

 

[Reality Check]

The EU doesn't have a theory for how Earth has water oceans either. So both establishment and EU are barking but no noise is coming out.

Wrong, jeffreyw.
EU has not even fantasies about how the Earth got oceans.
Science has scientific theories about how the Earth got oceans. Science has evidence against oceans being formed by just comet impacts. That leaves asteroid impacts with maybe some comet impacts.

Your fantasies about planets forming from stars are just wrong. The gravitational collapse that forms stars from molecular clouds leaves behind enough rock to form planets, etc. Water in solar systems comes from either chemical reactions during the formation of the system or from existing water.
That is the answer to "Where in the galaxy are there objects radiating, cool enough to combine hydrogen with oxygen in their gaseous phase, and undergoing gravitational collapse?", jeffreyw.
The latest is that it is existing water: Water in the solar system predates the Sun

You obviously do not even know what rain is, jeffreyw ! It is oceans and other existing surface water evaporating to form clouds which then drop rain when conditions are right. There is no formation of water from hydrogen and water via rain.

As for your ignorance about Neptune, Uranus, Jupiter and Saturn: No oceans of water there either, jeffreyw !

 

[Sol88]

Is this still the best we've got concerning jet production?

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2013/pdf/2401.pdf

 

[Sol88]

Science has evidence against oceans being formed by just comet impacts. That leaves asteroid impacts with maybe some comet impacts.

Reality Check

I think I'll add that to my signature...another corker from you old mate!

Asteroids are comets and comets are asteroids....just like the EU mob bang on about and now confirmed by the number one emanate citizen scientist REALITY CHECK

Thanks 'ol mate

 

[Sol88]

Connections between the jet activity and surface features on Comet 9P/Tempel 1

We present results from our study of the Stardust-NExT NAVCAM images of Comet 9P/Tempel 1, in which we analyze the dust coma and derive the locations and directions of 11 isolated jets detected around closest approach. Seven of the jets form a cluster that is associated with terraced terrain near the equator. Other jets arise from the nightside of the nucleus, having been in darkness for as long as 4 h, indicating that thermal lags continue to drive activity long after sunset. We compare the coma features observed here to those seen during the Deep Impact encounter on the previous apparition, and argue that much of the isolated jet activity is associated with steep slopes and the edges of smooth areas. We estimate that the cluster of jets produces 7-20% of the total dust in the coma, indicating that isolated sources play a significant role in the comet's activity. We measured an average dust production rate A(alpha)frho = 42 ± 6 cm at an approach phase angle of 79°, corresponding to a dust mass loss of approximately 264 kg s-1. Our analysis also indicates that the Stardust-NExT spacecraft did not pass through any dust jets during the flyby.

As predicted and show by observation....tick one more for the EU!!

 

[tusenfem]

Is this still the best we've got concerning jet production?

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2013/pdf/2401.pdf

That is just an abstract, maybe you will learn more reading a complete PhD thesis by Fougere, or any/all of papers in this list

 

[jonesdave116]

Connections between the jet activity and surface features on Comet 9P/Tempel 1



As predicted and show by observation....tick one more for the EU!!

Conveniently forgetting that EU predicts that there is electrical activity on a rock that is blasted off a planet by unknown means. Magnetic data show there are no currents, and therefore no electrical activity on the comet. The density of the comet shows that it is not rock. Basic equations show that electrostatic forces are not the cause of the measured low density. Also ignoring the measurement of molecular nitrogen, which puts constraints on the conditions in which the comet formed, i.e. in the cold outer reaches of the solar system.
So, apart from getting the origin wrong, the lack of electrical activity, the wrong density and the wrong material make up of the comet, you are doing quite well. Still batting zero, though.

 

[Sol88]

Conveniently forgetting that

clays, olivine, forsterite, carbonates and silicates have been FOUND. Kinda puts a fork in mainstream bovine excrement spouted as truth!!!

Hands down

 

[Sol88]

Look at how wrong they've got the jet and dust mechanism completey wrong when not including charge on the dust particles!! That my friends is a dusty plasma, the other observed effects are secondary to the electrical/plasma nature of the observed phenomena that electric comets are. ��

 

[jonesdave116]

clays, olivine, forsterite, carbonates and silicates have been FOUND. Kinda puts a fork in mainstream bovine excrement spouted as truth!!!

Hands down

I presume you mean in some of the tiny little dust grains? Still doesn't explain a density of 470 km/m^3 does it? And has no implications for the mainstream theory. To quote from the ESA Rosetta blog, http://blogs.esa.int/rosetta/2015/04/09/giada-investigates-comets-fluffy-dust-grains/:
"Density is a critical parameter differentiating these two families of particles, and it is likely that they have quite different histories. By comparing the GIADA results with laboratory measurements, the scientists believe that the denser compact grains represent materials that underwent significant processing in the environment surrounding the new born Sun, before being accreted by Comet 67P/C-G as it formed in the outer Solar System.

The low-density fluffy particles, however, are thought to be primitive material linked to interstellar dust, material that pre-dates the birth of the Sun and escaped any processing before being accreted by the comet during its formation."

Or from this paper, here: http://iopscience.iop.org/1538-4357/612/1/L77/fulltext/18534.text.html

"Amorphous silicates in comets are thought to be presolar interstellar medium (ISM) silicate grains (Wooden 2002; Hanner & Bradley 2004). On the other hand, crystalline silicates by their relative absence (≤0.5%) in the ISM (Kemper et al. 2004) are primitive grains processed in the solar nebula."

So nothing about the comet having to be blasted off of Earth, Venus, Mars or Mercury needed to explain any of this. Still batting zero.
You still haven't explained the density. Explain the density.

 

[Sol88]

Density??? Explain the clays and carbonates and maybe we can talk!


Care to have a crack?

 

[ferd burfle]

Density??? Explain the clays and carbonates and maybe we can talk!


Care to have a crack?

Sol, I suggest you go off and educate yourself, to the extent that's possible, on the diifference between particle density and bulk density. Then you'd be in a position to discuss some actual science. I'll go way out on a limb here and predict you'll instead continute chucking rocks at the greenhouse.

 

[tusenfem]

Density??? Explain the clays and carbonates and maybe we can talk!


Care to have a crack?

why bother, you won't understand nor believe what would be wrtitten

 

[jonesdave116]

why bother, you won't understand nor believe what would be wrtitten

Quite. Much easier to believe that there is a planet out there with crustal rocks that have a density of 470 kg/m^3, from which was ejected a portion of said rock due to electrical woo.
I've come to the opinion that for a lot of these EU fanatics, this psuedo-science has actually become faith based. This church will eventually split, based on factions gathering around its various high priests, and their interpretation of their electric sun models (none of which work). We'll have the Resistor church, under high priest Thornhill, and the Capacitor church, led by Archbishop Scott.
There will also be other factions, the equivalent of Anabaptists and Mormons, where Mozina and others will be preaching. All going on about something that doesn't exist.

 

[Sol88]

why bother, you won't understand nor believe what would be wrtitten

Have a go, not just me in this thread.

 

[Sol88]

Quite. Much easier to believe that there is a planet out there with crustal rocks that have a density of 470 kg/m^3, from which was ejected a portion of said rock due to electrical woo.
I've come to the opinion that for a lot of these EU fanatics, this psuedo-science has actually become faith based. This church will eventually split, based on factions gathering around its various high priests, and their interpretation of their electric sun models (none of which work). We'll have the Resistor church, under high priest Thornhill, and the Capacitor church, led by Archbishop Scott.
There will also be other factions, the equivalent of Anabaptists and Mormons, where Mozina and others will be preaching. All going on about something that doesn't exist.

Of course black holes(division by zero) dark matter, dark energy, flavour changing neutrinos to name a few are fine inside the grand poobah of creation religions called the big bang!!

Nice story though, even if it ignores a large part of evidence out ancient forebears recorded for us, nice elegant maths to prove it as well! Pity it bears no relation to actual reality. But why spoil a good pay check!!

 

[Ziggurat]

Of course black holes(division by zero) dark matter, dark energy, flavour changing neutrinos to name a few are fine inside the grand poobah of creation religions called the big bang!!

... said the Velikovsky believer.

Nice story though, even if it ignores a large part of evidence out ancient forebears recorded for us

Evidence like neolithic religions?

I won't use the forum's irony smilies here, they aren't big enough to express your colossal hypocrisy.

 

[Sol88]

... said the Velikovsky believer.



Evidence like neolithic religions?

I won't use the forum's irony smilies here, they aren't big enough to express your colossal hypocrisy.

Your (mainstream) arrogance is nothing short of outstanding, to not include the whole of human history.

Velikovsky is just one interpretation, yours is the other.

Embarrassing for scientist to have no idea about the same archetypes recorded around the world in different cultures, except it had something to do with religion...

Shame on you.

oh and just for your information, I never said I was a Velikovskyian. Though when the electric comet is proven beyond doubt, mainstream is going to have a dam hard time not acknowledging Velikovsky.

 

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by Sol88
Density??? Explain the clays and carbonates and maybe we can talk!


Care to have a crack?

why bother, you won't understand nor believe what would be wrtitten

But we digress again....


anyone here willing to have a crack at mainstreams explanation for the observed clays, carbonates and crystalline silicates in the formation of comets from the solar nebula?

Oh and by the way a total surprise for mainstream scientist and expected if it was once part of a planetary crust something along the lines of the surface of the planet Mars

 

[Slings and Arrows]

I never said I was a Velikovskyian.

Well then here is the $64 question. Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Velikovsky Kool-Aid crowd?