Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

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"It's pretty clear that this event did not produce a gusher," said SWAS principal investigator Gary Melnick of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA). "The more optimistic predictions for water output from the impact haven't materialized, at least not yet."

I forgot about this cr*p. Sol, did you not read the paper? I've linked it often enough. It is free access. They detected solid ice grains. No doubts. No messing about. Indisputable. The Sunshine and XMM-Newton papers I linked were about SOLID ICE DETECTION, not just the amount of H2O vapour! Crikey, read the damn papers.
So what do you think Marco Fulle is saying that contradicts that? Trust me, it is wholly within your imagination.
Maybe, with the mission now over, it is time for Sol to start defending his own evidence-free bobbins. With, preferably, some evidence.

Not going to happen.
 
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More of T & Ts non-existent ice. From 5 years ago. Weird how these press briefings escaped their attention. They usually only do 'science' by press release!

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"It's pretty clear that this event did not produce a gusher," said SWAS principal investigator Gary Melnick of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA). "The more optimistic predictions for water output from the impact haven't materialized, at least not yet."

Oh dear. Learning well from the idiots T & T. Quote press releases from immediately after the impact. From people who had no chance of detecting the solid ice excavated! Why not wait for the papers? Two different instruments detected a shed load of solid ice coming out of that impact.
Hell, no. Let's follow the idiot Thornhill, and not bother with that nonsense, let's just concentrate on a non-existent pre-impact flash! "Screw evidence, none of my followers are interested in that. Nor are they likely to even seek it out. Let's just make stuff up! Who, amongst my faithful, will find, let alone understand, a scientific paper that makes me look like a complete tool! Nobody! Let's go for it." Et boring cetera.
 
And, as if by magic, there are two new papers released today:

Seasonal exposure of carbon dioxide ice on the nucleus of comet 67P/Churyumov Gerasimenko
Filacchione, G., et al.
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2016/11/16/science.aag3161.full.pdf+html

And;

Rosetta’s comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko sheds its dusty mantle to reveal its icy nature

Fornasier, S., et al.
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2016/11/16/science.aag2671.full

Reported here: http://blogs.esa.int/rosetta/2016/11/17/icy-surprises-at-rosettas-comet/

Both papers are paywalled, but if anybody wants them, send a pm.
 
Thanks for the heads up Tusenfem!

Sounds like a lot was discussed at this comet get together.
 
CME impact on comet 67P
Many of the magnetic field spikes are interpreted as magnetic
flux ropes. An illustration aimed at explaining the formation mechanism of
the flux ropes are shown in Fig. 12. The flux ropes could be
formed at this distance from the nucleus either through strong shears
in the plasma, or as an effect of magnetic reconnection. Magnetic
reconnection could occur when fields of different orientation pile up
and meet in the coma as they convect through the system or, alternatively,
the flux ropes form in close proximity to the diamagnetic
cavity, where they appear more as ‘spikey’ waves or instabilities,
such as Kelvin–Helmholtz instabilities, at first. They subsequently
become significantly more extended as the CME impacts, but also
become more twisted such that the field amplitude in the rope core
increases to the extreme values.


WoW :)

There you have it my friends the ELECTRIC COMET!!
 
Sol88: A lie abut the "CME impact on comet 67P" paper

There we have it - a 8 year delusion about the ELECTRIC COMET and a lie about science.
29 November 2016 Sol88: A lie abut the "CME impact on comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko" being about the electric comet delusion.

CME impact on comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko is a CME that hit 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko and was detected to compress the coma of 67P so that the solar wind could be detected at Rosetta 800 kilometers from the comet nucleus.

There are no delusions of 67P being rock in this paper. There are no delusions of electrical discharges on the surface of 67P in this paper. There are no delusion of comets being blasted from the surface of planets in recent times in this paper.

  1. 29 August 2016 Sol88: Repeating a lie does not make it true. You know that the electrostatic transport of dust across airless bodies is not anything to do with sublimation.
  2. The multiple lies about Static electricity may transport dust across airless planetary bodies.
  3. 29 August 2016 Sol88: A lie about data showing an electrical discharge screams your persistent delusions about comets :eye-poppi!
  4. 29 August 2016 Sol88: The stupidity of a "The effect of surface topography on the lunar photoelectron sheath and electrostatic dust transport" paper.
  5. 30 August 2016 Sol88: A lie about collimated jets since there is no such problem, e.g. they can issue from pits which any rational person knows collimates them :eek:!
  6. 30 August 2016 Sol88: A delusion that the 19 Feb. outburst issued from an area where it was impossible for it to be collimated (which it was not :eek:!).
  7. 30 August 2016 Sol88: A delusion that the Sun does not exist :D! Sunlight ionizes gas.
  8. 30 August 2016 Sol88: A delusion that a landslide possibly triggering the outburst magically makes it impossible for it to be collimated.
  9. 30 August 2016 Sol88: The delusion that an outburst described as clouds is collimated jets
  10. 30 August 2016 Sol88: Repeated delusion that electrostatic transport of dust has anything to do with his debunked delusions about comets
  11. 8 November 2016 Sol88: Still an unthinking cult follower of the Thunderbolts delusion of an electric comet.
  12. 8 November 2016 Sol88: Lies about a paper being related to jets.
  13. 8 November 2016 Sol88: An irrelevant half-lie about lightning and mainstream science.
  14. 8 November 2016 Sol88: Lies about us having to reconcile a "dust covered ice" surface and a porous "dust/ice" interior.
  15. 10 November 2016 Sol88: A "ROCK" lie and a lie abut porosity measurements.
  16. 10 November 2016 Sol88: Repeated inability to understand the words "surface" and "interior" :p!
  17. 10 November 2016 Sol88: The delusion that the rock (as in asteroids) he thinks comets are is "70%-80% Vacuum" :jaw-dropp!
  18. 11 November 2016 Sol88: A typical ignorant and irrelevant delusion - that double layers do magic.
  19. 11 November 2016 Sol88: The "a surprise and so my delusion is correct" delusion!
  20. 11 November 2016 Sol88: A comment about comet 67P in an article about comet 67P, not metallic asteroids.
  21. 15 November 2016 Sol88: Cites one of many observations that makes jets = electrical discharges into a delusion.
  22. 15 November 2016 Sol88: A lie of "He nearly said they were rock, albeit fluffy rock".
  23. 15 November 2016 Sol88: A lie by quote mining Fulle, M., et al, 2016
  24. 15 November 2016 Sol88: A lie - a delusion cannot explain anything about comets.
  25. 15 November 2016 Sol88: The delusion that cometary science stopped in 1950 with Whipple :eye-poppi!
  26. 15 November 2016 Sol88: The delusion that surface at one point = bulk = measured for one lobe properties.
  27. 15 November 2016 Sol88: Basically a lie that VIRTIS showed that 67P was rocky with a lie by quote mining.
  28. 15 November 2016 Sol88: Adds to the lie from quote mining that the Jean-Pierre Bibring proposition is comets are rocks.
  29. 15 November 2016 Sol88: Cannot comprehend what he has cited - the MUPUS experiment found an icy layer consistent with sintered ices.
  30. 15 November 2016 Sol88: A "no ice" lie that we have seen before (ice found on Temple 1 and 67P)
  31. 15 November 2016 Sol88: "5 NO DISTRIBUTED WATER SOURCES" is a fantasy since there are no problems for the mainstream in that section.
  32. 15 November 2016 Sol88: Your delusion that comets are rocks does make things that look rocky into rocks or make an ice layer into rock.
  33. 15 November 2016 Sol88: An implication that Tilman Spohn is ignorant or deluded.
The parroting of the Thunderbolt cult ignorance, delusions and lies in this thread alone (continuation of a thread that is now 7 years of delusions from Sol88 and Haig!).
10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc.
More than a year and counting of fear of doing basic physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.
 
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Sol88: The delusion that a Tweet means comets are rocks

Just for you RC,
What has what looks like a tweet have to do with your delusion that comets are rocks, Sol88? My guees:
28 November 2016 Sol88: The delusion that "charged" and "sc potential" in a Tweet means comets are rocks or that the Tweet is about electrical discharges.
Maybe a delusion that Tweets are scientific literature? Do you have something coherent or rational to say about the science that Tweet is actually about?
 
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CME impact on comet 67P



WoW :)

There you have it my friends the ELECTRIC COMET!!

Nobody has disputed that comets could have measurable magnetic fields or that these could interact with the solar wind and the sun's magnetic field. Mainstream science does, however, dispute the Electric Comet postulate that comets eject matter due to electric discharges.

I have searched the article for any reference to "arc" or "discharge" but none appear.

I do not see how the article can be construed to support Electric Comet.
 
Nobody has disputed that comets could have measurable magnetic fields or that these could interact with the solar wind and the sun's magnetic field. Mainstream science does, however, dispute the Electric Comet postulate that comets eject matter due to electric discharges.

I have searched the article for any reference to "arc" or "discharge" but none appear.

I do not see how the article can be construed to support Electric Comet.

You're thinking to powerful for this little comet, think more Field electron emission for a electric discharge.

energetic (10-100 eV) electrons, which appears to be a ubiquitous population around 67, are signifcantly increased in both ux and energy, indicating that these electrons are heated through the solar wind interaction with the cometary plasma. The uxes vary with changes in the magnetic field direction.
Solar wind interaction with comet 67P: impacts of 1
corotating interaction regions
sorry no link

Are we ok to call plasma boundaries = Double Layers
flux ropes = field aligned currents (Birkeland Currents) :confused:

RPC observation of the development and evolution of plasma interaction boundaries at 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko

4. Discussion RPC observations show that solar wind-cometary plasma interaction boundaries and regions formed in the time period between mid-April and mid-May 2015 when 67P/CG was ~1.8 AU from the Sun and the COPS-derived production rate of the comet was ~1.2 x 1027 s-1. After mid-April RPC observed at least two regions that are separated by a broad boundary that appears to move inward and outward in response to changes in local neutral density and in solar wind dynamic pressure. All but three of the observed boundary crossings occurred within the region where an ion-neutral collisionopause could form.
 
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So still deep fried ice cream!!

From our data, we envisage the nucleus as a low–thermal conductivity, highly porous body with a near-surface layer consisting of sintered ice-dust with substantial local strength. The layer could be covered by a thin layer of dust of low strength. The estimated porosity is consistent with earlier models of comet nucleus formation
Thermal and mechanical properties of the near-surface layers of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
 
Solar wind interaction with comet 67P: impacts of 1 corotating interaction regions sorry no link

For those who are interested, here is Niklas's paper on CIR and 67P

Still there is nothing "electric" (in the thunderdolts meaning) to this interaction. The solar wind, with its magnetic field, it transported to the outgassing comet, where it gets mass-loaded and slowed down. The further parts of the field lines continue with the solar wind velocity and so the field drapes around the comet, creating e.g. the ion tail. If a CIR or a CME arrives, then there is a pressure pulse, which will compress the induced magnetosphere (see also Volwerk et al.).

Flux tubes can easily be created, and even exist in the solar wind, so it would come as not real surprise that one can find them in a comets coma, as that is created by the solar wind magnetic field. Also, nested draping, i.e. that field with different directions are "on top of each other" in the draping region can lead to magnetic reconnection, which can lead to the generation of flux tubes. Although, because of the high plasma density in the coma, the reconnection rate will be greatly reduced. (see my upcoming review paper on "Currents in cometary comae).

Are we ok to call plasma boundaries = Double Layers
flux ropes = field aligned currents (Birkeland Currents) :confused:

Well, I am not surprised that you are confused, plasma physics is not for the weak of heart. And just dropping terms, like you do, without knowledge of how to use them is, well, ...

No, plasma boundaries does not equate "double layers". I am still wondering about what is so special about double layers. However, a quick look at the magnetic field data will show that the field is very very turbulent, and thus the creation of a double layer is very unlikely.

Flux ropes indeed have field aligned currents, out of necessity of Ampère's law. These are not "Birkeland currents" because these specific currents in the magnetosphere of planets.

RPC observation of the development and evolution of plasma interaction boundaries at 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko

Yes, the paper by Kathy Mandt et al. discusses plasma boundaries, however, the broad boundary that you quote is a collisionopause, a boundary between two regions where in one collisions are not important and in the other collisions are dominant.

Not sure what you want to claim here, probably that it is a double layer or so. If you want to claim this you will have to show that a DL can be formed and you will have to show that the boundary thickness is appropriate for the thickness of DL, you will have to show that the ion and electron populations agree with what one expects for a DL, etc. etc. I guess we will hear from you again after you downloaded the data from PSA and did your analysis.
 
And the aforementioned papers also do nothing for Talbott's 'prediction' of "relationship of comet flaring to arrival of charged particles from solar outbursts."

No flaring. No increase in gas production from the nucleus concurrent with these events. Essentially, those papers are yet more evidence AGAINST the electric comet woo. Not sure why they would be brought up in favour of it!!!

EDIT: I suppose, for the sake of future arguments, I should say that there was no VISIBLE increase in light emission. No doubt, if a suitable instrument was trained on 67P at the time of a CME, it may have seen an increased emission in x-ray, for instance, due to an increase in the number of heavy SW ions interacting with cometary neutrals. I don't think that was the 'flaring' that Talbott was referring to, though.
 
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