Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

[Reality Check]

Sublimating dirtysnowball model still intact!

The spoiler alert is that there is nothing in your delusions about comets that includes a landslide triggeringing an outburst, Sol88, except maybe you writing more delusions about electrical discharges.

 

[Reality Check]

Sol88: Repeating a lie does not make it true

Sublimation model got some splan'n to do, ay!

29 August 2016 Sol88: Repeating a lie does not make it true. You know that the electrostatic transport of dust across airless bodies is not anything to do with sublimation.

The multiple lies about Static electricity may transport dust across airless planetary bodies.

29 August 2016 Sol88: A lie about data showing an electrical discharge screams your persistent delusions about comets !
Rosetta captures comet outburst

In unprecedented observations made earlier this year, Rosetta unexpectedly captured a dramatic comet outburst that may have been triggered by a landslide.

29 August 2016 Sol88: The idiocy of linking to a download site where you have exceeded your download limits rather than a scientific citation!
A second try gets
29 August 2016 Sol88: The stupidity of a "The effect of surface topography on the lunar photoelectron sheath and electrostatic dust transport" paper. This has the example of modelling a lunar crater. CLIFF is not spelt CRATER !

 

[Reality Check]

Sol88: A fantasy about the 19 Feb. 2016 Outburst of Comet 67P/CG

Ummmm... The 19 Feb. 2016 Outburst of Comet 67P/CG

29 August 2016 Sol88: A fantasy about the 19 Feb. 2016 Outburst of Comet 67P/CG being evidence for the abundance of plasma in the universe.

jonesdave116 was commenting on your post back on 5 February 2016 that the visible universe is 99.999% plasma which is correct. The physical evidence is that the universe is only 4.9% normal, B]visible[/B] matter and that most of that is plasma. The rest of the universe is dark matter and dark energy.

However being a follower of the deluded Thunderbolts cult means that you share their delusions which includes that dark matter and dark energy do not exist.

The parroting of the Thunderbolt cult ignorance, delusions and lies in this thread alone (continuation of a thread that is now 7 years of delusions from Sol88 and Haig!).
10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc.
More than a year and counting of fear of doing basic physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.

 

[tusenfem]

Telling it was along a cliff line with a distinct terminator in the area of the outburst... just like on other airless bodies immersed in the solar plasma (solar wind)

You seem to forget that during the time of observation of this outburst, there is very little signature of the solar wind the the plasma instruments. The plasma environment is dominated by locally produced plasma created from neutrals from the nucleus.

 

[jonesdave116]

Cold neutrals detected after sublimation of ice. Shock horror. Very little ionisation. Cold electrons outnumbered by 5 orders of magnitude by neutrals. Gas arrives in a time period that is consistent with ice sublimation. Dust arrives a bit later.
Not sure how this gets turned into a problem for sublimation! Now awaiting the "cold plasma EDM" hypothesis. Which will, of course, be invisible to all instruments that could detect it.

 

[jonesdave116]

I wonder what is going to happen when I submit my paper on current sheets in 67P's coma ...

I think we can all guess. Probably best if you don't advertise it too much

 

[Sol88]

Cold neutrals detected after sublimation of ice. Shock horror. Very little ionisation. Cold electrons outnumbered by 5 orders of magnitude by neutrals. Gas arrives in a time period that is consistent with ice sublimation. Dust arrives a bit later.
Not sure how this gets turned into a problem for sublimation! Now awaiting the "cold plasma EDM" hypothesis. Which will, of course, be invisible to all instruments that could detect it.

Then you still have the problem of collimated jets especially since this outburst (Discharge) originated from an area with no means to keep those jets collimated...

and doubly so with your statement of

Cold neutrals detected after sublimation of ice. Shock horror. Very little ionisation.

Tusenfem's insightful addition of

You seem to forget that during the time of observation of this outburst, there is very little signature of the solar wind the the plasma instruments.

So what's doing the ionising JD116? if not the solar wind (Solar PLASMA flow being charge separated) then what?

Remembering all you have at your disposal after

As a result, we think the outburst must have been triggered by a landslide at the surface, rather than a more focused jet bringing fresh material up from within the interior, for example.”

then constrained in discrete collimated jets!!!!

Damm those pesky jets

 

[Sol88]

You seem to forget that during the time of observation of this outburst, there is very little signature of the solar wind the the plasma instruments. The plasma environment is dominated by locally produced plasma created from neutrals from the nucleus.

Please, tell us more about how locally produced plasma created from neutrals from the nucleus is actually produced via sublimation.

Gene Wilder RIP (June 11, 1933 – August 29, 2016)

 

[Reality Check]

Sol88: A lie about collimated jets since there is no such problem

Then you still have the problem of collimated jets ...(

30 August 2016 Sol88: A lie about collimated jets since there is no such problem, e.g. they can issue from pits which any rational person knows collimates them !
30 August 2016 Sol88: A delusion that the 19 Feb. outburst issued from an area where it was impossible for it to be collimated (which it was not !).
30 August 2016 Sol88: A delusion that the Sun does not exist ! Sunlight ionizes gas.
30 August 2016 Sol88: A delusion that a landslide possibly triggering the outburst magically makes it impossible for it to be collimated.

The delusions are based on Sol88's usual ignorance of what the science is since the paper explicitly states that the landslide possibly exposed fresh material to solar illumination forming a cloud rather then a jet.

The location of these outbursts is on the eastern slope of the body of 67P. It is in a region of a steep cliff to the east. The fact that the outburst started when this region just exited the shadow from the head suggests that thermal stress in the surface material may have triggered a landslide that exposed fresh (water) ice to direct solar illumination. Also other features of the observations support that idea: (1) the relative long duration of the GIADA dust impact phase which tells that the dust cone is very broad, (2) from looking at OSIRIS pictures, where one sees a cloud, not a narrow jet (3) from the fact that it is probably driven by water only. In this scenario the trigger of activity is thermal stress together with fracture mechanics and gravity in form of landslides or avalanches before solar heat can release gas from fresh ice which in turn accelerates dust released during this process

 

[Sol88]

Are we going to have to go get my own bat and ball, RC?

Last image in outburst sequence

Credits: ESA/Rosetta/MPS for OSIRIS Team MPS/UPD/LAM/IAA/SSO/INTA/UPM/DASP/IDA

Yep definitely no jets there RC!

 

[jonesdave116]

Please, tell us more about how locally produced plasma created from neutrals from the nucleus is actually produced via sublimation.

Photoionisation. As explained in the paper, from memory. The average lifetime of H2O against photoionisation is, again from memory, 10^6 seconds. However, that will have a distribution as in a bell curve, where some small number will happen much more quickly, and some will take longer. That is why the neutrals vastly outnumber the electrons.

 

[jonesdave116]

Yep definitely no jets there RC!

Correct. Again, from the paper:
"Also other features of the observations support that idea:
(1) the relative long duration of the GIADA dust impact phase which tells that the dust cone is very broad, (2) from looking at OSIRIS pictures, where one sees a cloud, not a narrow jet "

You really should read these papers more carefully.

 

[Reality Check]

Sol88: The delusion that an outburst described as clouds is collimated jets

Yep definitely no jets there RC!

Yep - repeating the stupidity of not reading your sources, Sol88, which lead to
30 August 2016 Sol88: A lie about collimated jets since there is no such problem, e.g. they can issue from pits which any rational person knows collimates them !
30 August 2016 Sol88: A delusion that the 19 Feb. outburst issued from an area where it was impossible for it to be collimated (which it was not !).
30 August 2016 Sol88: A delusion that the Sun does not exist ! Sunlight ionizes gas.
30 August 2016 Sol88: A delusion that a landslide possibly triggering the outburst magically makes it impossible for it to be collimated.
and now
30 August 2016 Sol88: The delusion that an outburst described as clouds is collimated jets
The 19 Feb. 2016 Outburst of Comet 67P/CG (PDF)

The location of these outbursts is on the eastern slope of the body of 67P. It is in a region of a steep cliff to the east. The fact that the outburst started when this region just exited the shadow from the head suggests that thermal stress in the surface material may have triggered a landslide that exposed fresh (water) ice to direct solar illumination. Also other features of the observations support that idea: (1) the relative long duration of the GIADA dust impact phase which tells that the dust cone is very broad, (2) from looking at OSIRIS pictures, where one sees a cloud, not a narrow jet (3) from the fact that it is probably driven by water only. In this scenario the trigger of activity is thermal stress together with fracture mechanics and gravity in form of landslides or avalanches before solar heat can release gas from fresh ice which in turn accelerates dust released during this process

As the paper states, the coma structures that became visible after the dust cloud dissipated at the end of the outburst may be unrelated.

 

[Sol88]

Correct. Again, from the paper:
"Also other features of the observations support that idea:
(1) the relative long duration of the GIADA dust impact phase which tells that the dust cone is very broad, (2) from looking at OSIRIS pictures, where one sees a cloud, not a narrow jet "

You really should read these papers more carefully.

Oh but I do...I read

The location of these outbursts is on the eastern slope
of the body of 67P. It is in a region of a steep cliff to the
east. The fact that the outburst started when this region
just exited the shadow from the head suggests that thermal
stress in the surface material may have triggered a landslide
that exposed fresh (water) ice to direct solar illumination.

And thought yep that's all they have to work with, on the darkside!!!

but over on the lightside

In addition to single-sized dust particles, lofted large aggregates showed that electrostatic processes may be responsible for the detection by the Rosetta mission of fluffy dust particles released from the surface of comet 67P.

LINK

Let's look down the rabbit hole...

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0032063314000750

Electrostatic forces on hydroxylated aggregates overcome their cohesive forces.
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Lofting of sub-μm to mm-sized agglutinates takes place near the lunar terminator.
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Solar radiation pressure sweeps away dust grains lofted off Itokawa׳s surface.
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Electrostatic lofting of dust grains does not happen above Itokawa׳s surface.
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Electrostatic lofting is a novel mechanism for dust supply into exozodiacal disks.

Surface charging and electrostatic dust acceleration at the nucleus of comet 67P during periods of low activity

Highlights

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We model surface charging of the 67P nucleus during periods of low activity.
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We include a treatment of the cometary plasma wake using a self-similar approach.
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Criteria for electrostatic levitation and ejection of submicron grains are presented.
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Charged nanodust flux detectable by the RPC–IES instrument on-board Rosetta.

 

[Sol88]

Photoionisation. As explained in the paper, from memory. The average lifetime of H2O against photoionisation is, again from memory, 10^6 seconds. However, that will have a distribution as in a bell curve, where some small number will happen much more quickly, and some will take longer. That is why the neutrals vastly outnumber the electrons.

I'll see your Photoionisation and raise you Critical ionization velocity

 

[phunk]

Are we going to have to go get my own bat and ball, RC?

Last image in outburst sequence [qimg]http://blogs.esa.int/rosetta/files/2016/08/ESA_Rosetta_OSIRIS_WAC_19Feb16.gif[/qimg] Credits: ESA/Rosetta/MPS for OSIRIS Team MPS/UPD/LAM/IAA/SSO/INTA/UPM/DASP/IDA

Yep definitely no jets there RC!

What you see as jets, I see as a wide outflow over the whole region, that is picking up more dust in some areas than others.

 

[Sol88]

I wonder what is going to happen when I submit my paper on current sheets in 67P's coma ...

Current sheets????


careful Tusenfem might upset a few people but for me it won't be

 

[Reality Check]

Sol88: Delusion that valid sceince supports debunked delusion about comets

Oh but I do...I read

and repeat your usual delusions, Sol88 !
30 August 2016 Sol88: Repeated delusion that electrostatic transport of dust has anything to do with his debunked delusions about comets.

The parroting of the Thunderbolt cult ignorance, delusions and lies in this thread alone (continuation of a thread that is now 7 years of delusions from Sol88 and Haig!).
10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc.
More than a year and counting of fear of doing basic physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.

 

[jonesdave116]

In addition to single-sized dust particles, lofted large aggregates showed that electrostatic processes may be responsible for the detection by the Rosetta mission of fluffy dust particles released from the surface of comet 67P.

Sorry Sol, but I haven't got a clue what you are trying to say here. The dust had nothing to do with levitation. Outburst > neutral gas > dust. Ergo, dust is due to the outburst. And they weren't fluffy grains. End of story.
And what has CIV got to do with the price of fish? Never been seen outside the lab. Requires a plasma to start with, to be able to produce ionisation. Where are you getting the initial plasma from? The electrons detected were cold, and were 5 orders of magnitude less than the neutrals. No need to invoke anything other than photoionisation, given the tiny ratio of electrons to neutrals seen.

 

[Reality Check]

I'll see your Photoionisation and raise you Critical ionization velocity

A display of ignorance, Sol88?
Photoionisation says that the Sun will ionize neutral particles emitted from sublimation on comets !
Critical ionization velocity says that the solar wind will ionize neutral particles emitted from sublimation on comets !