Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

[jonesdave116]

I thinks I have Susan's paper in my LitDB, but not on this laptop, maybe tomorrow at the office.
And if not, I know an editor of Earth, Moon and Planets, just a few doors down the hall.

Excellent. Would be interested to have a read. Time to start getting the retaliation in first against these nutters.
I actually managed to get hold of Ibadov's paper that I linked to above: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...73117711007605

Ye Gods. He's even proposing comets as the possible origin of GRBs: "Moreover, the nature of cosmic gamma-ray burst remains also unclear (e.g. Komberg, 2005), and comets are considered as one of possible sources of such bursts (Luchkov et al., 1996), taking into account electric discharge mechanism of comet outbursts."

As if that's not bad enough, one of his references links to here: http://www.plasma-universe.com/index.php/Comet.

On the plus side, he does believe comets are composed of ice and dust! Not a total fruit loop, then.

 

[jonesdave116]

As quoted by me further up:

..........‘puzzling’ abundance (densities at least 100 times greater than expected) of negative ions near the nucleus (link? Never heard of this). The negative ions combine with the positive hydrogen ions from the solar wind to give, amongst other things, the OH radical......yada, yada, yada....

I suppose I should own up to getting this wrong. It had been reported: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v349/n6308/abs/349393a0.html.

Mea culpa. On the other hand Thornhill should apologise for his misrepresentation of this data. The negative ions were found at ~2300 km, which is well within the diamagnetic cavity, and the solar wind is getting nowhere near them. All these ions will be of cometary origin, by various processes, as modeled here: http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20120016643.pdf.

 

[Reality Check]

I think you are going to need a bigger hammer JD116, then you can make anything fit!!!!

The irrelevance of an dumb video does not make delusions that comets are rocks, etc. any less delusional, Sol88.

The parroting of the Thunderbolt cult ignorance, delusions and lies in this thread alone (continuation of a thread that is now 6 years of delusions from Sol88 and Haig!).
10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc. mostly cited by Haig.
207 days and counting of fear of doing basic physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.

 

[Reality Check]

On the plus side, he does believe comets are composed of ice and dust! Not a total fruit loop, then.

Maybe a different variety of fruit loop.
On the Origin of Solar and Stellar Flares is his idea presented at a conference that comets hitting stars will trigger solar/stellar super-flares.
A paper: High-resolution observations of solar explosive phenomena due to cometary impacts with the Sun
Looks like a flipside of the Thunderbolts cult - they believe the Sun does everything, he believes comets do a lot!

One has to be suspicious about a scientist with a large body of work that is solo authored. ADS has 116 citations for him from 1976 to the present, only 25 with co-authors. One coauthor may be related, Ibodov, Firuz S.

 

[Sol88]

I've asked this of EU advocates before, I'm going to give it another shot. Here are two photographs. What kind of material are we looking at in each picture?
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_1192557057f800c29.jpg[/qimg]
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_11925570580cc25e1.jpg[/qimg]

Easy as

It's the one that's sublimating "collimated" jets of dust and gas into the vacuum of space!!!

Just like the exposed "ice" on the surface of 67P, the moon, Murcury.....

 

[Sol88]

Excellent. Would be interested to have a read. Time to start getting the retaliation in first against these nutters.
I actually managed to get hold of Ibadov's paper that I linked to above: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...73117711007605

Ye Gods. He's even proposing comets as the possible origin of GRBs: "Moreover, the nature of cosmic gamma-ray burst remains also unclear (e.g. Komberg, 2005), and comets are considered as one of possible sources of such bursts (Luchkov et al., 1996), taking into account electric discharge mechanism of comet outbursts."

As if that's not bad enough, one of his references links to here: http://www.plasma-universe.com/index.php/Comet.

On the plus side, he does believe comets are composed of ice and dust! Not a total fruit loop, then.

Any chance we could all share the love?

Would love to read any relevant papers that are pay walled as $$$ are extremely tight (family eating takes priority)

 

[jonesdave116]

Easy as

It's the one that's sublimating "collimated" jets of dust and gas into the vacuum of space!!!

Just like the exposed "ice" on the surface of 67P, the moon, Murcury.....

Oh dear. I said I wouldn't say this again. However, it is THE DUST that is collimated (sometimes). The gas ISN'T.

 

[Reality Check]

Just like the exposed "ice" on the surface of 67P, the moon, Murcury.....

Not like your repeated delusions about comets, the Moon, Mercury, etc. Sol88.
It is basic physics. CO2, water and other ices sublimate in the conditions of the inner Solar System ( < ~3 AU). Comets contain these ices.

The parroting of the Thunderbolt cult ignorance, delusions and lies in this thread alone (continuation of a thread that is now 6 years of delusions from Sol88 and Haig!).
10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc. mostly cited by Haig.
207 days and counting of fear of doing basic physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.

 

[Reality Check]

Any chance we could all share the love?

No, Sol88. There is no point in anyone one wasting their time catering to the delusions of a follower of the Thunderbolts cult (comets are rocks, Venus erupted from Jupiter in recent time, etc.). If jonesdave116 decides to post the papers here then it will be for the education of other rational people here.

Not that they will help your delusions - Ibadov's papers are mainstream about comets being ices and dust. He though has a bad idea that they cause solar flares and even worse emit GRBs.

 

[Ziggurat]

Easy as

In other words, you can't tell. The photograph doesn't provide sufficient information to determine composition.

Which is my point.

 

[Reality Check]

One has to be suspicious about a scientist with a large body of work that is solo authored. ADS has 116 citations for him from 1976 to the present, only 25 with co-authors. One coauthor may be related, Ibodov, Firuz S.

And really suspicious when according to ADS few of his comet papers are cited by anyone and mostly by him ! We have to go back to "Physical mechanism of Chelyabinsk superbolide explosion" in 2013 for the last cited paper.

 

[tusenfem]

I thinks I have Susan's paper in my LitDB, but not on this laptop, maybe tomorrow at the office.
And if not, I know an editor of Earth, Moon and Planets, just a few doors down the hall.

Having a wee bit of trouble getting the paper, my colleague is editor of another journal
But I mailed another colleague who is co-author, she should be able to send it to me.
Be patient little padawan!

 

[jonesdave116]

Having a wee bit of trouble getting the paper, my colleague is editor of another journal
But I mailed another colleague who is co-author, she should be able to send it to me.
Be patient little padawan!

Fear not, sir. Persistence paid off! So if she doesn't send it....ahem.
(how was I supposed to know what 'change proxies' looks like in cyrillic!)

 

[jonesdave116]

I am always happy to give further explanations, just come over for coffee.

An 'idiot's guide to mirror-mode waves' would be handy! Preferably with pictures. Lots of pictures

 

[Darwin123]

I've asked this of EU advocates before, I'm going to give it another shot. Here are two photographs. What kind of material are we looking at in each picture?
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_1192557057f800c29.jpg[/qimg]
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_11925570580cc25e1.jpg[/qimg]

There is nothing added for length scale. The length scale for the two pictures could be completely different.

No, I don't want the angular scale. The two photos could be the same surface taken at different distances. The two pictures could also be the same surface taken at different magnifications but at different distances.

There is nothing added for contrast scale. So the color of the picture doesn't mean anything. The two pictures can represent the same surface but different contrast levels.

There is nothing to tell us the angle of the illumination with the surface. Shadows can vary with angle of illumination. The two pictures can represent the same surface at different times when the angle of illumination is different.

Etc.

 

[Sol88]

for those interested in cometary plasma physics:

Mass-loading, pile-up, and mirror-mode waves at comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko, 15 pages of RPC delight (open access)

Firstly, well done Martin, great paper!

Love to ask some questions, if that's ok?

On the iPod atm, so I'll wait till I'm near a keyboard...

But, does your model require "sublimation"?

 

[Sol88]

An 'idiot's guide to mirror-mode waves' would be handy! Preferably with pictures. Lots of pictures

Mmmmmm....throws a new light on electrochemistry around comets https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L_NPKeE_afc and http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v349/n6308/abs/349393a0.html

Wouldn't you say JD116??

 

[tusenfem]

But, does your model require "sublimation"?

Of course, how else are you going to get the neutral gas coming from the nucleus of the comet, if not by subliming the ices at and below the surface?

 

[jonesdave116]

Mmmmmm....throws a new light on electrochemistry around comets https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L_NPKeE_afc and http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v349/n6308/abs/349393a0.html

Wouldn't you say JD116??

Nope. As I pointed out earlier, the negative ions are products of the volatiles themselves. They were seen within the diamagnetic cavity. Ergo, as the solar wind isn't reaching them, then they can only have come from the neutrals by processes within the cavity.
As modeled here: http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20120016643.pdf
As for the boobtube vid, I can only assume that it is more nonsense from Anariba. Which has already been dealt with. Suffers from a rather large proton deficit, among other things. Even larger than already calculated for 67P, given that Halley was outgassing ~2 orders of magnitude more H2O than 67P (~30 000 l/s).

 

[Reality Check]

Mmmmmm....throws a new light on electrochemistry around comets ...

Old light on the repeated idiocy of linking to crank videos from the ignorant Dr. Franklin Anariba who was stupid enough to speak at a conference held by the Thunderbolts cult, Sol88.
7th January 2016 Haig: The ignorance and fantasies of Dr. Franklin Anariba.

Delusions about comets being rocks, etc. leads to the ignorance of thinking that Negative ions in the coma of comet Halley is abut electrochemistry !

The parroting of the Thunderbolt cult ignorance, delusions and lies in this thread alone (continuation of a thread that is now 6 years of delusions from Sol88 and Haig!).
10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc. mostly cited by Haig.
211 days and counting of fear of doing basic physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.