Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

[Reality Check]

Haig: Links to more delusions and lies from Wal Thornhill in a video

The double lobed shape of comet 67P seems to be tied to the outburst and location of the jets.

Your delusion that the lies, ignorance and delusions of the Thunderbolts cult do not exist, Haig, is already well known !
10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc.
That delusion leads you to linking to more delusions and lies from Wal Thornhill in a video about Pluto: 30 November 2015 Haig: Links to more delusions and lies from Wal Thornhill in a video about Pluto!

You think that these lies from Wal Thornhill about Pluto are evidence for your delusion that comets are rocks with electrical discharges.
30 November 2015 Haig: Delusions and lies from Wal Thornhill about Pluto are not evidence for your delusion that comets are rocks with electrical discharges.

You finish with the idiocy of an image that debunks your delusion that comets are rocks with electrical discharges ! Here we have jets ("electrical discharges") issuing from the lowest part of 67P - its neck - when you know that electrical discharges issue from the highest points of objects, Haig.
30 November 2015 Haig: Debunks his own delusion with an image of jets from the neck of 67P!

And the facts that this delusion has prevented you from understanding, Haig: There are at least 2 images of jets coming from inside pits. There are jets that have been traced to 18 active pits on 67P. There are jets that have been traced to plains inside the neck of 67P. There are jets that have been traced to the sides of cliffs on 67P.

 

[Reality Check]

Haig: Cites another lying Thunderbolts cult member Michael Gmirkin

Here is some evidence

That is a lie, Haig - the stated lies, ignorance and delusions of the Thunderbolts cult are evidence for lies, ignorance and delusions, not comets.
10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc.

But it is nice of you to link to yet another lying Thunderbolts cult member Haig. Here we have a Michael Gmirkin unable to understand simple English in his 2008 web page, e.g. that Wal Thornhill lied about a flash before impact being detected on his confirmed predictions page.
30 November 2015 Haig: Cites another lying Thunderbolts cult member Michael Gmirkin.

Michael Gmirkin states one of your favorite delusions, Haig. The idiocy that Stardust detecting dust grains from both the inner and outer solar system means that comets are rocks from the inner solar system!

 

[Reality Check]

Haig: Jets and the solar wind does not support your delusion that comets are rocks

This Jet From Rosetta's Comet was so Strong it Disrupted the Solar Wind

Followed by a lie abut comets, Haig: The more we look at comets the less they look like your delusion that they are rocks and have electrical discharges!
A delusion that jets do not interact with the solar wind does not support your delusion that comets are rocks and have electrical discharges
30 November 2015 Haig: Jets interacting with the solar wind does not support your delusion that comets are rocks and have electrical discharges!
That a jet could "push away" the solar wind to form a diamagnetic cavity has been predicted from real science and now detected.
Your delusion has never predicted any diamagnetic cavity, Haig.

Wonder what's powering that Pandemonium of the moons in the Plutonian system?

It is certainly not your mindless parroting of the lies, ignorance and delusions of Wal Thornhill, Haig !
Thornhill is still following his stupid policy of reading cherry picked news reports and denying the science as we have seen in his lies about Deep Impact.
Pandemonium! Motion of Pluto's Moons Perplexes Scientists November 10, 2015 is a report about a press conference. The reporter exaggerates for effect in "But now that more data have come down from New Horizons, scientists say things in the system are beyond disorganized — and it's unexplainable." when the quotes from scientists state unprecedented and that the rapid spin of the moons is a puzzle.
The orbits of the moons is not an issue. The expectation is that tidal forces with Pluto would slow down the rapid spins of the moons in a short time (astronomically speaking!). Charon is tidally locked to Pluto. But the other 4 moons are not.
ETA: Pluto/Charon are the first double "planet", doubly tidally locked with outer minor moons system that we have ever observed - we should expect unexpected behaviors!

 

[Sol88]

Interesting paper!

4 1.2.3 Comet-type interaction

1.2.3 Comet-type interaction
Planetary objects with an atmosphere but a low gravity form extended exospheres (i.e. uncollisional atmospheres), such as the comae of active comets, rather than a confined ionosphere dense enough to create an induced magnetosphere and hold off the solar wind. Instead, the cometary ions and the solar wind overlap. In this situation, the cometary ions will become accelerated (picked up) by the solar wind. In return, the solar wind is decelerated and deflected. The deceleration effect is called mass-loading of the solar wind. As the mass-loaded solar wind flows slower than the surrounding solar wind, a draping and pile-up of the IMF occurs. The IMF can be sufficiently piled-up to restrict the solar wind plasma flow, creating a plasma void. However, if the coma is small compared to the gyro-radius of the cometary ions, the solar wind will be significantly deflected in the direction opposite to the pick-up acceleration of the cometary ions rather than being deflected by a pile-up boundary [Behar et al., 2015]. If a pile-up boundary forms, or if the solar wind is slowed to subsonic speeds, a bow shock may form around or near the comet. [e.g., Luhmann, 1995]

seems the walls are closing in Reality Check!

 

[Sol88]

This paper make the link that the moon is a dynamically coupled system, just like a comet, Earth, Moon, Mars, Mercury....and all the rest!

That's a premise of the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE "there are no isolated islands in space, everything is connected"

Introduction

The lunar surface, as many other objects in the solar system, is directly exposed to the harsh space environment including a
continual bombardment by interplanetary impactors large and small, high energy radiation, UV/xrays, and solar wind plasma.

Those walls are getting closer JD116!

 

[tusenfem]

Those walls are getting closer

you might want to explain these walls a little more, apart from your mysterious quotes and unspoken conclusions.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Interesting paper!



seems the walls are closing in Reality Check!

This paper indeed totally disagrees with EU. Like any other actually researched paper. In fact, even in your quote it claims a comet forms NO magnetic fields.
So thanks for showing even you slowly start to realize EU is pointless fantasy.

 

[Dancing David]

This paper indeed totally disagrees with EU. Like any other actually researched paper. In fact, even in your quote it claims a comet forms NO magnetic fields.
So thanks for showing even you slowly start to realize EU is pointless fantasy.

Or at least that Sol88 doesn't read the material they spam

 

[Sol88]

This paper indeed totally disagrees with EU. Like any other actually researched paper. In fact, even in your quote it claims a comet forms NO magnetic fields.
So thanks for showing even you slowly start to realize EU is pointless fantasy.

What rock do you live under LS?

A consequence of this interaction is an induced cometary magnetosphere. In other words, even though the nucleus of 67P/C-G has no magnetic field of its own (as announced at this year’s EGU General Assembly), the comet’s atmosphere or coma is magnetised.

I don't thnk we are reading from the same page

Read the paper again! There is no need for sublimation AT ALL.. but still there gota be "ice" somewhere

 

[tusenfem]

A consequence of this interaction is an induced cometary magnetosphere. In other words, even though the nucleus of 67P/C-G has no magnetic field of its own (as announced at this year’s EGU General Assembly), the comet’s atmosphere or coma is magnetised.

Read the paper again! There is no need for sublimation AT ALL.. but still there gota be "ice" somewhere

Of course there has to be sublimation. In order to get an induced magnetosphere there has to be an ionosphere around the comet, a conducting layer of plasma (created by UV ionization of escaping water from the nucleus), in which the solar wind magnetic field can get hung-up.

Hannes Alfvén already explained this in his 1957 paper On the Theory of Cometary Tails. This is how a induced magnetosphere is created.

And, as usual, it has nothing to do with EU woo.

 

[Matthew Cline]

you might want to explain these walls a little more, apart from your mysterious quotes and unspoken conclusions.

As far as I can tell, it's one or both of the following:

1) From Sol's point of view, the mainstream comet theory implicitly includes "absolutely nothing electromagnetic is going on", so anything about electromagnetism with regards to comets counts against the mainstream theory.

2) If EU/EC proponents didn't exist, mainstream astronomers would have completely ignored any role electromagnetism had to do with comets. Thus any articles about electromagnetism + comets is proof that EU/EC is "forcing" mainstream astronomers to acknowledge electromagnetism.

 

[tusenfem]

As far as I can tell, it's one or both of the following:

1) From Sol's point of view, the mainstream comet theory implicitly includes "absolutely nothing electromagnetic is going on", so anything about electromagnetism with regards to comets counts against the mainstream theory.

2) If EU/EC proponents didn't exist, mainstream astronomers would have completely ignored any role electromagnetism had to do with comets. Thus any articles about electromagnetism + comets is proof that EU/EC is "forcing" mainstream astronomers to acknowledge electromagnetism.

So, I guess that makes me an EU proponent!

Interestingly, just as an aside, I noticed yesterday in the November issue of Physics Today that there is a 2nd edition of Perratt's book Physics of the Plasma Universe.
Now there is nothing wrong with the first part of the (old) book, but the numerical models were bogus. Now apparently, chapters 8 and 9 are written by "Professor" Gerrit Verschuur, based on his disproven idea about WMAP results.

 

[Sol88]

Of course there has to be sublimation. In order to get an induced magnetosphere there has to be an ionosphere around the comet, a conducting layer of plasma (created by UV ionization of escaping water from the nucleus), in which the solar wind magnetic field can get hung-up.

Hannes Alfvén already explained this in his 1957 paper On the Theory of Cometary Tails. This is how a induced magnetosphere is created.

And, as usual, it has nothing to do with EU woo.

Sublimation not needed is it Tusenfem???

Surface charging and electrostatic dust acceleration at the nucleus of comet 67P during periods of low activity

Can do the job quite well it seems.

once it's charged

However, scientists have debated for decades whether or not the solar wind could generate water on the rims or surface layers of rocks in space.

"The controversy has lasted such a long time because, until now, analytical techniques were unable to confirm the presence of water, because the amount of water produced is small and it is localized in very thin rims on the surfaces of silicate minerals," Ishii said. "It was also a challenge to confirm by studies of surface soils from the moon, because water produced there is continually outgassed into space."

Solar Wind Creates Water in Star Dust, Implications for Life

 

[Sol88]

As far as I can tell, it's one or both of the following:

1) From Sol's point of view, the mainstream comet theory implicitly includes "absolutely nothing electromagnetic is going on", so anything about electromagnetism with regards to comets counts against the mainstream theory.

2) If EU/EC proponents didn't exist, mainstream astronomers would have completely ignored any role electromagnetism had to do with comets. Thus any articles about electromagnetism + comets is proof that EU/EC is "forcing" mainstream astronomers to acknowledge electromagnetism.

Correct, Mathews Cline, EM plays the dominate role in a comets display and water production. Seems comets are not primordial leftovers from the collapse of nebula.

and

If comets are an electrical phenomena...well the Sun must be electrical in nature and ......booya we have THE ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

That's my guess on why the ESA scientist working on the Rosetta mission are dragging their feet. none more so than the OSIRIS team.

Why not release the .gif loop of an active jet??? Sublimating "ice" or not???

 

[Sol88]

Just for a bit of light hearted fun, when a field line snaps, does that leave a skid mark on space times fabric??

Gravitational waves are ripples in the fabric of spacetime, which were predicted by Albert Einstein in his General Theory of Relativity. So far, because they are extremely tiny and incredibly faint, gravitational waves have proved to be elusive.

Under normal conditions, the magnetic field lines inside plasmas don't break or merge with other field lines. But sometimes, as field lines get close to each other, the entire pattern changes and everything realign into a new configuration. The amount of energy released can be formidable. Magnetic reconnection taps into the stored energy of the magnetic field, converting it into heat and kinetic energy that sends particles streaming out along the field lines.

No wonder the MAINSTREAM are in trouble, Einstein has gone a lead them up the garden path.

Funny if it was not for the $$$$ and time wasted on some dudes Gedankenexperiment.

 

[tusenfem]

Sublimation not needed is it Tusenfem??? Can do the job quite well it seems.

once it's charged

No it cannot, just learn some basic plasma physics.
Toodles!

 

[ferd burfle]

No wonder the MAINSTREAM are in trouble, Einstein has gone a lead them up the garden path.

Funny if it was not for the $$$$ and time wasted on some dudes Gedankenexperiment.

To paraphrase your quotes:

-a new probe has been launched that will seek evidence of gravitational waves
-magnetic reconnection doesn't happen except, you know, when it does

Care to explain how your two quotes are related and how that's evidence of something? Or are you just free-associating again?

 

[Sol88]

As far as I can tell, it's one or both of the following:

1) From Sol's point of view, the mainstream comet theory implicitly includes "absolutely nothing electromagnetic is going on", so anything about electromagnetism with regards to comets counts against the mainstream theory.

2) If EU/EC proponents didn't exist, mainstream astronomers would have completely ignored any role electromagnetism had to do with comets. Thus any articles about electromagnetism + comets is proof that EU/EC is "forcing" mainstream astronomers to acknowledge electromagnetism.

Our, the EU's, issue with mainstreams ignorance of the EM is highlighted by the following statement

At the time, Professor Glaßmeier said: 'This is exciting because it is completely new to us. We did not expect this and we are still working to understand the physics of what is happening.'

One would EXPECT mainstream to have predicted, given that the EM environment around a comet is such common knowledge and this finding, the singing comet, would NOT have been unexpected!!

But again all we need is some sublimation somewhere on/in the comet and the dirtysnowball, or was that deep fried ice cream or ‘icy dirtballs’...or they are just ROCK like your lying eyes tell you they are!!!

 

[Sol88]

To paraphrase your quotes:

-a new probe has been launched that will seek evidence of gravitational waves
-magnetic reconnection doesn't happen except, you know, when it does

Care to explain how your two quotes are related and how that's evidence of something? Or are you just free-associating again?

If gravitational waves making spacetime ripple, , are not found, does that falsify Einstein GR + SR???

Or do you mob need some more money to make another more sensitive experiment to find rippling spacetime?

as for magnetic reconnection...been sitting here all morning trying to snap my fridge magnets field lines, very hard to do, can't even get them to flap!!!

Oh wait I see the problem...I need a plasma! That's the electric universe!!

Should fit more along the lines of "Once upon a time, Magnetic reconnection was thought to do magical things...."

 

[Sol88]

Just be super careful in your experiment does not rip a hole in spacetime allowing your branes to spill into the multiverse!!

Sorry, off topic but really the mainstream believe this "science" but have trouble believing PLASMA and it's collective electrical and magnetic behaviour and it's dominate role in the UNIverse????

Think I need something a little stronger to drink!