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Continuation Part Nine: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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You have no right and no excuse for calling Mignini "dirty old man" because he thought of a sexual context as a scenario; when you have a woman victim who was found dead in her room naked with evidence of sexual abuse on her body. Any rational person would infer a probable sexual context, and also, from the physical elements and autopsy report any rational person would infer the presence of multiple perpetrators involved on the murder scene. Also, any rational person would perceive that the "break in" was staged.

This is incredible. Mignini is not a "dirty old man", because this was obviously a sex crime with "sexual abuse on her body."

Yet, considering this osmotically, they did not test the presumed semen stain? This is the trouble with you never attempting an over-all theory of this crime. Taking this piecemeal makes you look like you are not making sense in other things.... just ignoring them - judging them by differing standards.

Sometimes it is just naked what you are trying to accomplish with your posts.
 
Meredith's father was known to mix with the wild tabloid desks of Fleet Street, where cocaine is as common as coffee! Just read what his friend Piers had to say

Mignini seems to think that heroin makes you reliable, which is totally consistent with the kind of nonsense my drug dependent clients say - can I infer from this that he is possibly a user?

Actually he was a music journo, rather than a tabloid journo; so probably in an even more druggie environment.
 
Thanks for the quote from that web site.

Unless I'm missing something: It's interesting that the Hellman report provides a completely different quote... and with nothing about being high that night:

"Nor did it prevent him from selling drugs or making use of them himself, so that when questioned on the point, he responded: “…I have always taken drugs” and to the question “even in 2007?”, “yes” and on the type of drug “…I always took heroin” adding immediately “I want to clarify that heroin is not a hallucinogen…”.

Mmmmm....

I imagine that has to do with the use of the paraphrase and possibly a difference in the translators. What relevant difference do you see between the two?
 
I imagine that has to do with the use of the paraphrase and possibly a difference in the translators. What relevant difference do you see between the two?

I want to gather the info. And this does not jive. The Hellman Report of all things does not have this crucial quote about AC being high that night.

I have an ABC news report about the questioning... quite detailed, but that too only says:

"I have always used drugs," Curatolo admitted matter-of-factly. At the moment he wasn't using any, he said, but confirmed that he had used heroin in 2007. "I want to clarify that heroin is not a hallucinogen, he added."

"I was high that night" would have been THE QUOTE (gasps from the audience) of the questioning.

Why is it missing?
 
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But Antonio Curatolo underwent questionings and cross questionings and he was always consistent, well aware, functioning, remembering and convincing.
Moreover, there is also still no evidence at all nor any report about Curatolo using multiple drugs, except tobacco use.

Mach. A genuine enquiry - not really related to this case. My understanding (courtesy of you) is that in the Italian system nominally both professional and lay judges have equal votes, but lay judges out number professional? So if lay judges decided on innocence but the professional(s) disagreed they could sabotage the verdict by writing an illogical / illegal motivation report that the supreme court would over rule and send back for retrial? I am not implying Hellman wrote an intentionally bad motivation report.

In common law jurisdictions juries may return innocent verdicts on plainly guilty people when they feel that a conviction would be unjust - and there is nothing that can be done about that. The reciprocal is that judges can dismiss cases where there is evidently mis behaviour by the prosecution even where the accused is a 'weirdo' who the jury would be likely to convict.
 
Not meant for you...

Nancy S if you notice, I ignore your posts. The above is an example why.

She should not give a damn whether or not you ignore her posts. Given that, as a psychiatrist, she utilizes objective data and science to back up her points, you may be certain that lurkers with common sense will be vastly more convinced by her points than by Machiavelli's lunatic sophistry and your juvenile twaddle.
 
I want to gather the info. And this does not jive. The Hellman Report of all things does not have this crucial quote about AC being high that night.

I have an ABC news report about the questioning... quite detailed, but that too only says:

"I have always used drugs," Curatolo admitted matter-of-factly. At the moment he wasn't using any, he said, but confirmed that he had used heroin in 2007. "I want to clarify that heroin is not a hallucinogen, he added."

"I was high that night" would have been THE QUOTE (gasps from the audience) of the questioning.

Why is it missing?

That's an interesting question, please let me know if you find the precise answer. Until then, I'll disregard the "high that night" thing and just regard Curatalo as a run-of-the-mill, drug-addled, poop-in-the-woods bum (in Italian, I believe your word for this is "superwitness").
 
PS for those who refer to 'British Virgins' - please stop. They almost certainly were not virgins and if they were so what? Many cultures would think that admirable.

Well, I think that term is used ironically, to point out their hypocrisy.

I don't think anyone really cares whether those flaky, story-changing ding-a-lings were really virgins.
 
I want to gather the info. And this does not jive. The Hellman Report of all things does not have this crucial quote about AC being high that night.

I have an ABC news report about the questioning... quite detailed, but that too only says:

"I have always used drugs," Curatolo admitted matter-of-factly. At the moment he wasn't using any, he said, but confirmed that he had used heroin in 2007. "I want to clarify that heroin is not a hallucinogen, he added."

"I was high that night" would have been THE QUOTE (gasps from the audience) of the questioning.

Why is it missing?

Perhaps when serially testifying homeless drug addicts claim they were always on drugs most don't need any more convincing? At any rate the prosecution was in the courtroom too and they didn't even make a point of this in their appeal, instead claiming the latter statement "I want to clarify that heroin is not a hallucinogen" was true and 'evidence' of his 'lucidity:'


Galati Appeal p. 43 said:
The disagreement on the part of the Court with Curatolo’s life choices appears fully evident in reading pages 44 and 45 of the judgment. The formulation of a negative opinion due only to drug consumption appears evident only when one re-reads the transcript of the hearing of March 26, 2011. At the end of the examination of Curatolo, the Recorder [= Zanetti} posed questions to Curatolo about his choice to live as a homeless person and [54] in the end, asked the witness whether he used drugs, in particular in 2007.

It would be worthwhile quoting Curatolo's response: ‚I used heroin‛ (cf. the transcript p. 21).

For the Recorder, that could have been enough, but not for Curatolo, who concluded with decisive emphasis like this: ‚I should point out that heroin is not a hallucinogen‛.

What the witness stated is true: opioids normally do not have hallucinogenic effects. Among the hallucinogens, there are natural ones such as mescaline, psilocybin, THC (Tetrahydrocannabinol), the active ingredient of the cannabinoids, and those artificial ones, such as LSD and ecstasy.
In conclusion, Curatolo is perfectly correct and extremely lucid: it is hashish, rather, that has effects of this type.

Opioids such as heroin cause, in fact, a rapid excitation, followed by a phase of sedation - relatively brief relaxation, after which the subject returns to near normal until the onset of a new phase of need of the substance.
 
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Perhaps when serially testifying homeless drug addicts claim they were always on drugs most don't need any more convincing? At any rate the prosecution was in the courtroom too and they didn't even make a point of this in their appeal, instead claiming the latter statement "I want to clarify that heroin is not a hallucinogen" was true and 'evidence' of his 'lucidity:'

LOL. That's just embarrassing.
 
It is in his testimony Vibio. He admitted taking heroin that night and he says every night.

http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/homeless-heroin-addict-antonio-curatolo/

Judge: Do you take drugs?
Curatolo: Yes, heroin.
Judge: Were you taking drugs on that night?
Curatolo: I always take drugs, so most certainly I was high that night…but that’s ok. Heroin does not make you hallucinate or anything.
Judge: Guards, take him away. I am done.

AC, while this is admirable for you to provide, why is it that the PIP are always providing cites for their claims while other spew nonsense about naked rock-throwers, many phone calls to drug dealers, and no drug tests, without any such response?

As a semi-lurker, I'm curious.
 
I can't find the quote about him being high that evening. Can someone post it?

I am sorry, I could not help myself
When I read this post, I could not help but to pound on the arms of my chair while hysterically laughing.
 
I want to gather the info. And this does not jive. The Hellman Report of all things does not have this crucial quote about AC being high that night.

I have an ABC news report about the questioning... quite detailed, but that too only says:

"I have always used drugs," Curatolo admitted matter-of-factly. At the moment he wasn't using any, he said, but confirmed that he had used heroin in 2007. "I want to clarify that heroin is not a hallucinogen, he added."

"I was high that night" would have been THE QUOTE (gasps from the audience) of the questioning.

Why is it missing?

Why is what missing? My quote is not from the Hellmann report but from the actual courtroom testimony and that is the questioning between Zannetti and Curatolo.

The gasp from the courtroom is not going to be in the court transcripts.

Curatolo was not taking drugs when he testified because he was in jail. But he basically says that he was always taking drugs when he wasn't incarcerated.
 
AC, while this is admirable for you to provide, why is it that the PIP are always providing cites for their claims while other spew nonsense about naked rock-throwers, many phone calls to drug dealers, and no drug tests, without any such response?

As a semi-lurker, I'm curious.

Who can answer that question Anode? I am doing my best to be accurate and intellectually honest. But this is not part of the guilter creed. They have no interest in being honest, only that the ends justify the means.
 
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So Caratolo says "I always take drugs, so most certainly I was high that night"

I can only find this quote in an exchange written on the "murderofmeredithkercher.com" web site and curiously enough it is a repost of an article that had appeared in the Knoxian "injustice" web site.

The quote appears no where else. Not in the Hellman report where it would be devastating. Or in news reports from the courtroom where it would have made a great headline.

If anyone can show otherwise, I'd appreciate it.


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