Continuation Part Nine: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[RWVBWL]

Explosive news from reliable sources links Amanda to violent drug dealer criminals in Italy:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...iate-arrested-for-attempted-knife-murder.html

Amanda Knox was reportedly having sexual relations with a cocaine dealer who frequented a man who stabbed his brother 16 times, an Italian publication has claimed, quoting police reports.

These reports were originally unsourced from somewhere in the Italian media but now a clearer picture of Amanda's violent and drug abuse past is forming out of the PR-imposed gloom. Tom Kington has written on this topic over the years for both The Guardian and The Telegraph.

Here are Amanda Knox's phone records
from the week before and after her friend and roommate Meredith Kercher was horribly murdered:
http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/AK_Phone_Traffic.pdf

Are you claiming that Amanda was 2 timin' Raff after only a week of dating?
WTF!!!

Look at Amanda's phone records that I linked above,
courtesy of MichaelB's research.

Can you please tell me who was the drug dealer she was sleeping with and getting cocaine from?

What day and time did she call him?
Where was she when she called him?
Did he ever state that he was *********** Amanda in trade for drugs?

Don't you ever find it odd that Italian investigators never found any cocaine in her system when they collected samples for drug testing? Even after she was in prison?
RW

Edited by LashL: 

Do not change another member's user name and see Rule 10 re: the auto-censor.

 

[MichaelB]

Hahahaha!

Quite apart from very real doubts as to the authenticity of some of the "official" documents driving this story, you are so blinded by the excitement of smearing Knox that you've failed to notice the unintentional hilarity of the passage you quoted:

Amanda Knox was reportedly having sexual relations with a cocaine dealer who frequented a man who stabbed his brother 16 times, an Italian publication has claimed, quoting police reports.

Stop for a moment and count the sheer number of qualifications and tenuous connections in that one sentence! Here's what it reads like to me:

LondonJohn was reportedly having sexual relations with an actress who once met a more famous actress in a bar, an Italian publication has claimed, quoting a tabloid newspaper.



(For the record, the Telegraph is clearly pursuing the exact same route as the Mail in publishing this story: it's a mildly sensational story which (to the reader) appears to link Knox to the control and supply of hard drugs, as well as to a violent thug. Knox still has currency among the UK newspaper-reading public, so there is news value in the story. And the Telegraph - like the Mail before it - obviously feels that it is sufficiently indemnified against the threat of legal action on account of Mignini's alleged comments and Knox's current legal status.)

It's funny how he runs back to PMF to tell them he posted here.

Anyways, the report is real. Someone I trust confirmed it earlier because a few of us were wondering if it was fake. He said the cops wrote up these embellished reports multiple times and they turned out to be nothing like the scissors attack tip-off from an "anonymous" source. I'd say they probably did get train dudes number from her phone and the supplying her drugs was really him giving her some pot at the hotel. If some guy she met on a train had shady friends, it's got nothing to do with her. No one in 7 years has connected them to Amanda. If they really wanted to prove there was more of a connection than the one night hook-up they wouldn't have redacted the phone numbers so anyone could check if she was in regular contact with them. So the smear stands. Raffaele's crazy family did the damage and got their headlines.

 

[platonov]

This is a skeptics thread

Explosive news from reliable sources links Amanda to violent drug dealer criminals in Italy:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...iate-arrested-for-attempted-knife-murder.html



These reports were originally unsourced from somewhere in the Italian media but now a clearer picture of Amanda's violent and drug abuse past is forming out of the PR-imposed gloom. Tom Kington has written on this topic over the years for both The Guardian and The Telegraph.

stilicho - Really ?

This is a perfect example of the weakness of the standard PGP argument

We skeptics are busy here thoroughly examining [for the 437th time] a vital topic --
The 'forensic' minutiae concerning the murder victims genitalia/crotch area etc and what do you post.

A topical (as regards the english language media) reference to what appears to the latest salvo from the Sollecito family.

This is a skeptics thread - we don't need any reference to current topics, thank you very much.

Now, have we discussed vaginal contusions recently ?

 

[Samson]

From wiki

Mignini's theory involved a complicated conspiracy of 20 people, including government officials and law enforcement officers. Mignini indicted 20 people and charged them with the concealment of Narducci's murder. The charges were eventually dismissed
Therefore Hopeful's faith that he knows the criminal type by training and instinct needs some citations in support. To these 20 are definitely added Spezi, Preston and Lumumba. His seemingly successful indictments of Sollecito and Knox may be temporary anomalies.

Hopeful I believe is the wife of Fly by Night, a hate site administrator, who is actively working to have Amanda Knox vilified at her college as he works there, and she is an official poster on another. She should be required by these sites to support her claims.

 

[Desert Fox]

stilicho - Really ?

This is a perfect example of the weakness of the standard PGP argument

We skeptics are busy here thoroughly examining [for the 437th time] a vital topic --
The 'forensic' minutiae concerning the murder victims genitalia/crotch area etc and what do you post.

A topical (as regards the english language media) reference to what appears to the latest salvo from the Sollecito family.

This is a skeptics thread - we don't need any reference to current topics, thank you very much.

Now, have we discussed vaginal contusions recently ?

That is a strawman argument. . . .What you are doing is arguing (using sarcasm) against a position that we are not arguing.
What we are arguing is that tabloids in general should not be considered reliable sources especially with the vague nature and lack of details.

 

[codyjuneau]

It's beyond obvious

.
The almost universal indifference of the guilters to the non testing of the putative semen stain shows clearly that nary a guilter believes there is the slightest chance that the semen stain is from Raffaele. Their indifference is tantamount to saying 'we know Raffaele was not REALLY involved in the attack on Meredith'.

Cody
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[acbytesla]

Here are Amanda Knox's phone records
from the week before and after her friend and roommate Meredith Kercher was horribly murdered:
http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/AK_Phone_Traffic.pdf

Are you claiming that Amanda was 2 timin' Raff after only a week of dating?
WTF!!!

Look at Amanda's phone records that I linked above,
courtesy of MichaelB's research.

Can you please tell me who was the drug dealer she was sleeping with and getting cocaine from?

What day and time did she call him?
Where was she when she called him?
Did he ever state that he was *********** Amanda in trade for drugs?

Don't you ever find it odd that Italian investigators never found any cocaine in her system when they collected samples for drug testing? Even after she was in prison?
RW

Just when you thought it couldn't get any weirder. It's quite strange don't you think that the guilters are going crazy over this story when they don't buy that Rudy is a burglar.

 

[Samson]

Nice try but that's NOT what the conversation or my comments were about. I asked: could the stain have been dated. A simple straight forward question. I said NOTHING about "just because a test cannot provide a date, it's not a useful test."

Are you that dumb too?

The issue is one of good faith arguing. Why would point scoring, as many have asked, trump the absolute necessity to add context to the crime scene by establishing the stain is semen and (Rudy or someone else), because if it is semen and Rudy's, the victim's family are much much closer to answering their agonising questions as to what happened to Meredith.

ETA there are 4 possibilities
1. Semen Rudy
2. Semen someone else.
3. Not semen, but Rudy.
4. Not semen, not Rudy.

Options 1 and 3 date the stain.

(feels like teaching 5 year olds)

 

[NancyS]

Nice try but that's NOT what the conversation or my comments were about. I asked: could the stain have been dated. A simple straight forward question. I said NOTHING about "just because a test cannot provide a date, it's not a useful test."

So do you think the stain can be dated Vibio? Do you think Meredith is the kind of girl to put her semen encrusted pillow straight in the wash - or is she the sort of girl who likes to sleep on semen encrusted pillows for days on end? If you really think she is the kind of girl that is happy to sleep for days in bed linen covered in sexual fluids, is it really reasonable for the prosecution to suggest that household slovenliness was a cause of tension between Amanda and Meredith?

Although surely it should be common sense to anyone with a brain that neither DNA or semen stains can be dated - and that neither should be used to convict people that had legitimate contact (or legitimate sexual contact) with the victim and the crime scene. Finding the semen of the man Meredith was having sex with is not suspicious - just as finding the DNA of Amanda in the house she lived, is not suspicious. The semen and DNA is only useful if you are trying to find evidence of someone who had no legitimate contact/sexual contact with the victim and no legitimate reason to be in the house where the crime took place.

 

[Bill Williams]

Explosive news from reliable sources links Amanda to violent drug dealer criminals in Italy:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...iate-arrested-for-attempted-knife-murder.html



These reports were originally unsourced from somewhere in the Italian media but now a clearer picture of Amanda's violent and drug abuse past is forming out of the PR-imposed gloom. Tom Kington has written on this topic over the years for both The Guardian and The Telegraph.

So let's get this straight....

The Telegraph reprints a baseless rumour which appeared in an Italian tabloid.... based on.....

What?

Something that Mr. Mignini could have presented at the first or second trial?

The real question is if this is remotely true, why is Mignini leaking this now? And why is he leaking it by saying he cannot comment on it, but he will write down the names of the people he suspects?

Great one Stilicho. Yet another reprint of a tabloid rumour.....

 

[Bill Williams]

So the mud slinging at the witch/bitch/slut/whore continues - and now even information that didn't even contain enough half-truths to make it into court, is still being printed and still being lapped up by any old idiot that wants to believe the witch/bitch/whore/slut nonsense.

The sad thing is that these nonsense stories could be created about nearly all young people, if their situations had been reversed, Meredith could easily have been portrayed as just as much a sex crazed, drunk with drug connections - it's depressing and tragic that people take all this 'allegedly' stuff seriously, without any scrap of real evidence

To add to this silliness, one can only repeat what LondonJohn observed....

The number of "alleged" and tenuous connections.... where if you believe in 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon, we're all guilty of something.

Yet as you say, NancyS, the sluttification of Knox must continue, because if it doesn't then there really is no case.

I wonder why this didn't even make it as one of Judge Massei's "probablies" or, "is compatible with's" in the 1st conviction?

It's probably because ever since Mignini lost his witch hunt against Mario Spezi he has to ramp-up the slutty-talk against someone else.

The only question is why. Does Mignini think he's going to lose this case in the long run?

 

[Vibio]

Explosive news from reliable sources....

Everyday I read (or at least skim through) La Nazione, La Repubblica, Il Tirreno and Il Corriere. That's a good sampling of the Italian press. So far none of these publications have picked up this "explosive" story. Not one.

Why is that?

The ONLY thing that's interesting about all of this is the question as to who is promoting this stuff.

My theory (IMHO) I posted here before: it is the Sollecitos. And that's the real news here.

Until I see this story reported and vetted by a legit newspaper in Italy then I'll consider it.

BTW: now that you're here...I want to tell you: what trash the forum at perugiamurderfile is. Infantile. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. From the embarrassing artwork regularly posted, to the over-the-top speculation and obsession with the two criminals. Positively sicko.

 

[analemma]

Do you have a link? The closest I could find was a Daily Mail article.

Chris
Sorry I missed your request yesterday. Telegraph link
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...iate-arrested-for-attempted-knife-murder.html
These lies are everywhere now.

 

[Skind]

Nice try but that's NOT what the conversation or my comments were about. I asked: could the stain have been dated. A simple straight forward question. I said NOTHING about "just because a test cannot provide a date, it's not a useful test."

And as I juuuuust pointed out, Chris was answering your question by pointing you to the futility of your question. In other words, whatever cheap point you're trying to score by talking about dating the stain is a completely superflous point - the stain can still provide useful data even without a date.

Imagine this exchange :

Professor: "We need to ascertain whether this animal species is genetically related to the giraffe, and whether it is a newly discovered species"
You: "Yeah but can we measure the average age of the individuals in the population?"

That's pretty much the level of irrelevancy that you are at, and I had to dumb that down severely in order to not confuse you too much, you poor dear.

Also, as already been pointed out to you, as already broadly known, the deformation pattern of the stain provides incidental dating. Come on, it's only been known since the original defence reports of a mere half a decade ago.

Not to mention, Chris actually DID answer your question about dating the stain: "Neither DNA not blood testing provides a date". So, the question therefore is: what on earth else did you expect the stain to contain if it was biological material? What forensic scientists look for when testing presumed biological stains is the dna in sloughed off cells, or haematic substances.

So, basically, Chris already covered the two possible pathways of 'dating' the stain via biological analysis. He gave you your answer, that you don't know enough to understand it is your problem - not his or anyone else's.

 

[NancyS]

Everyday I read (or at least skim through) La Nazione, La Repubblica, Il Tirreno and Il Corriere. That's a good sampling of the Italian press. So far none of these publications have picked up this "explosive" story. Not one.

Why is that?

The ONLY thing that's interesting about all of this is the question as to who is promoting this stuff.

My theory (IMHO) I posted here before: it is the Sollecitos. And that's the real news here.

Until I see this story reported and vetted by a legit newspaper in Italy then I'll consider it.

BTW: now that you're here...I want to tell you: what trash the forum at perugiamurderfile is. Infantile. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. From the embarrassing artwork regularly posted, to the over-the-top speculation and obsession with the two criminals. Positively sicko.

And if you're right and these stories are coming from a member of the Sollecito family, what relevance does this have? Raffaele has been quite clear that his family do not speak for him and that he knows Amanda is innocent.

I thought it was fairly common knowledge that the Sollecito family have always wanted Amanda to be thrown under the nearest bus - and if a slightly unhinged and not very intelligent member of his family is now trying to create negative press about Amanda, under the misguided delusion that this will help Raffaele, what is the relevance of this? And as you're basing this all on Raffaele's Aunt's Friend joining in with the "Amanda is a bitch/whore/slut/witch" singsong, which has now been playing since the first week this whole tragic miscarriage of justice began, I'm not sure why you think any of this is so exciting

 

[acbytesla]

And if you're right and these stories are coming from a member of the Sollecito family, what relevance does this have? Raffaele has been quite clear that his family do not speak for him and that he knows Amanda is innocent.

I thought it was fairly common knowledge that the Sollecito family have always wanted Amanda to be thrown under the nearest bus - and if a slightly unhinged and not very intelligent member of his family is now trying to create negative press about Amanda, under the misguided delusion that this will help Raffaele, what is the relevance of this? And as you're basing this all on Raffaele's Aunt's Friend joining in with the "Amanda is a bitch/whore/slut/witch" singsong, which has now been playing since the first week this whole tragic miscarriage of justice began, I'm not sure why you think any of this is so exciting

This is a total hypothetical. Let's say that this a strategy from the Sollecito lawyers. Could it be that they think they could somehow paint Amanda as a the bad girl in an attempt to get a split decision? Where the Supreme court will somehow give Raffaele a reprieve and find Amanda guilty? That throwing her under the bus will save them both?? Because there is no way that the US would extradite Amanda under those circumstances. Can you imagine how that would work? There is no physical evidence of Amanda at the crime scene. There are no calls, texts or emails that connect Amanda to the killer. She was with one of the other defendants the night of the murder and they found him not guilty and Amanda guilty??

 

[MichaelB]

Everyday I read (or at least skim through) La Nazione, La Repubblica, Il Tirreno and Il Corriere. That's a good sampling of the Italian press. So far none of these publications have picked up this "explosive" story. Not one.

Why is that?

The ONLY thing that's interesting about all of this is the question as to who is promoting this stuff.

My theory (IMHO) I posted here before: it is the Sollecitos. And that's the real news here.
Until I see this story reported and vetted by a legit newspaper in Italy then I'll consider it.

BTW: now that you're here...I want to tell you: what trash the forum at perugiamurderfile is. Infantile. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. From the embarrassing artwork regularly posted, to the over-the-top speculation and obsession with the two criminals. Positively sicko.

Wow I'm shocked but impressed.

A lot of things happened earlier this year before the CCTV girl image was released. Most of the drama was on Facebook but posts would be deleted after a few hours so many didn't see what was really going on.

There was Magnani and Sara's "outrage" Amanda's FB page didn't have his name on it so it was added. Then Amanda gave the Chris Cuomo interview and didn't mention him so they went nuts over that. Then there was her Oggi interview where she said she'll forever be a prisoner in the US if she wasn't extradited so they went nuts over that too. But the tipping point in my opinion was seeing her at the innocence conference. Next thing they were getting friendly with all the revolting people using Meredith's photo as their avatar on twitter. An Amanda is their enemy and her enemies are their friends kind of thing. In the lead up to the CCTV girl image being released they were plotting their new murder mystery fantasy and suggested to someone I know maybe Lumumba could be included....Amanda said he was there. Now it's Federico and the mysterious drug dealers. She has to come clean and reveal all she knows because the courts have said she wasn't at his place at 8.18pm.

I don't know what their objective is with the smear campaign. Maybe they just hate her and this is 7 years of resentment being unleashed. Or if Raffaele is going down, they want to make sure she does too. All of this has no effect on extradition at all, they just didn't get the memo.

I do know there objective as far as a new trial is to get it reduced to aiding and abetting and time served which isn't going to happen and no judge is going to write a whole new Guede + Amanda did it and Raffaele cleaned up motivation report.

So there you have it.

 

[Vibio]

So there you have it.

Good reasonable observations.

 

[acbytesla]

Wow I'm shocked but impressed.

A lot of things happened earlier this year before the CCTV girl image was released. Most of the drama was on Facebook but posts would be deleted after a few hours so many didn't see what was really going on.

There was Magnani and Sara's "outrage" Amanda's FB page didn't have his name on it so it was added. Then Amanda gave the Chris Cuomo interview and didn't mention him so they went nuts over that. Then there was her Oggi interview where she said she'll forever be a prisoner in the US if she wasn't extradited so they went nuts over that too. But the tipping point in my opinion was seeing her at the innocence conference. Next thing they were getting friendly with all the revolting people using Meredith's photo as their avatar on twitter. An Amanda is their enemy and her enemies are their friends kind of thing. In the lead up to the CCTV girl image being released they were plotting their new murder mystery fantasy and suggested to someone I know maybe Lumumba could be included....Amanda said he was there. Now it's Federico and the mysterious drug dealers. She has to come clean and reveal all she knows because the courts have said she wasn't at his place at 8.18pm.

I don't know what their objective is with the smear campaign. Maybe they just hate her and this is 7 years of resentment being unleashed. Or if Raffaele is going down, they want to make sure she does too. All of this has no effect on extradition at all, they just didn't get the memo.

I do know there objective as far as a new trial is to get it reduced to aiding and abetting and time served which isn't going to happen and no judge is going to write a whole new Guede + Amanda did it and Raffaele cleaned up motivation report.

So there you have it.

This doesn't sound like Raffaele at all. I'm sure he doesn't want to spend another day in prison, but I can't imagine this strategy working. At best, it is a "hail mary". I can understand some of Raffaele's family hating Amanda because this is all unfair to Raffaele, but having both of them behind bars doesn't really help Raffaele. Is it really misery, loves company??

 

[Samson]

This doesn't sound like Raffaele at all. I'm sure he doesn't want to spend another day in prison, but I can't imagine this strategy working. At best, it is a "hail mary". I can understand some of Raffaele's family hating Amanda because this is all unfair to Raffaele, but having both of them behind bars doesn't really help Raffaele. Is it really misery, loves company??

It's come down to bear bating. Mad Max 4 just made, Acbytesla, did the Madmax movies come to USA?
Mad max 3 had the classic concept, two men go in, one comes out (alive).
There is a grotesque pleasure announced by Stilicho and his friends, at this manufactured communication breakdown.