Continuation Part Nine: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[JREF2010]

Is she talking court testifying transcripts and not interrogation transcripts?

It has to be court testimony. There is no way someone could have something this big, as the coerced confession/interrogation, and keep it hidden.

And for the testimony of the Lying Squad, its useless.

and to add more...Migninni's excuse for not recording it was Budget cuts, and I guess that included ink pens and paper too, as there wasnt anything written down or video taped, or audio recordings done...nothing. but dont get me started on this one again.

 

[Bill Williams]

What bugs me about Barbie as a pseudo-journalist

What bugs me about Barbie as a pseudo-journalist.....

.... is that she has a story in print referring to "transcripts of Raffaele's interrogation"........

And she shows complete indifference to the controversy surrounding that claim!

Which is it?

1) she dismisses any controversy with a handwave?

2) She's unaware of what she's just claimed?

3) She's aware of the controversy, but still wants to write a slutty piece regardless?​

Which of these choices puts her in the A-list of journalists?

 

[acbytesla]

What bugs me about Barbie as a pseudo-journalist.....

.... is that she has a story in print referring to "transcripts of Raffaele's interrogation"........

And she shows complete indifference to the controversy surrounding that claim!

Which is it?

1) she dismisses any controversy with a handwave?

2) She's unaware of what she's just claimed?

3) She's aware of the controversy, but still wants to write a slutty piece regardless?​

Which of these choices puts her in the A-list of journalists?

That's because she really has never been a journalist. She's more just a writer of trashy stories, short, long whatever. Barbie learned a long time ago that sex and controversy sells and if that is what people are buying, why not deliver it to them?

 

[xinonix]

It seems to me that it is most likely that one of those guys from Perugia will get together with someone from the U.S. dept. of State and have an off the record discussion.
Maybe Raffael could be allowed to escape from Italy and move to America.
They would agree that Italy will request extradition of both of them and The U.S. will do nothing about it
Then Amanda + Rafael could be classified as fugitives from justice and let that be the end of it.
America should just make it a policy that unless they leave Amanda and her boyfriend alone, we will continue to find out what the next one of their people should be charged with perjury.

 

[christianahannah]

It has to be court testimony. There is no way someone could have something this big, as the coerced confession/interrogation, and keep it hidden.

And for the testimony of the Lying Squad, its useless.

and to add more...Migninni's excuse for not recording it was Budget cuts, and I guess that included ink pens and paper too, as there wasnt anything written down or video taped, or audio recordings done...nothing. but dont get me started on this one again.

Could she be talking about work notes of the police? I would imagine the police would be keeping record of what was asked and answered, thus in part, there is the 1:45 statement of Amanda's (same for Raffaele's statement, though we haven't seen that). Isn't it possible those statements would have been prepared from notes during questioning that night?

I seem to recall reading in the transcripts of the police (can't remember which person) that they had notes concerning the various days of questioning. I assume that would apply for the night of the 5th too.

 

[christianahannah]

Or you could just go here:

http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/batch-two-kitchen-knife-36b-suppression-90-profiles/

Also, see the end of this: http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/...en-samples-early-exclusion-sollecito-lumumba/

Was this the missing page that Randy has posted from Frank Sfarzo? Do you have it now?

There were 54 samples run through the Qubit. The pages included in the Quantificazione document are short the missing page of Randy (which would complete the 54).

 

[acbytesla]

It seems to me that it is most likely that one of those guys from Perugia will get together with someone from the U.S. dept. of State and have an off the record discussion.
Maybe Raffael could be allowed to escape from Italy and move to America.
They would agree that Italy will request extradition of both of them and The U.S. will do nothing about it
Then Amanda + Rafael could be classified as fugitives from justice and let that be the end of it.
America should just make it a policy that unless they leave Amanda and her boyfriend alone, we will continue to find out what the next one of their people should be charged with perjury.

I can't imagine this. While I can imagine an off the record discussion from someone from Italy's government discussing how to resolve the case with the administration on some kind of back channel, I seriously doubt it will be with any one from Perugia. I also can't imagine that anyone in either government condoning allowing "Raffaele" to escape to the US. It cannot be "outside" the government.

 

[Diocletus]

Was this the missing page that Randy has posted from Frank Sfarzo? Do you have it now?

There were 54 samples run through the Qubit. The pages included in the Quantificazione document are short the missing page of Randy (which would complete the 54).

Yup, got it. All qubit samples are accounted for in the attached links.

 

[Dan O.]

I seem to recall reading in the transcripts of the police (can't remember which person) that they had notes concerning the various days of questioning. I assume that would apply for the night of the 5th too.

Yes, at least one of the officers mentioned in court testimony that they were taking notes durring the interrogations that night. If we had our own notes detailing what we know about the interrogations I would be able to reference those notes and tell you who that was and where it is documented.

 

[Bill Williams]

Machiavelli is tweeting the reason he is not coming back to JREF to discuss the finding of corruption in the DNA handling by Stefanoni in 2007.

He's saying that he does not discuss with racists.

For what it's worth, here is what two Ph.D.s in the relevant field say about Stefanoni's corruption.

Digital Journal - Op-Ed: DNA laboratory fraud revealed in Amanda Knox case

Dr. Tom Zupancic, Chief Scientific Officer of Applied Biomolecular Technologies and Chris Halkides, Professor of Biochemistry at UNC Wilmington are the ones making the claims of fraud, and this has yet to be peer reviewed as far as I know.

 

[Samson]

Machiavelli is tweeting the reason he is not coming back to JREF to discuss the finding of corruption in the DNA handling by Stefanoni in 2007.

He's saying that he does not discuss with racists.For what it's worth, here is what two Ph.D.s in the relevant field say about Stefanoni's corruption.

​

Dr. Tom Zupancic, Chief Scientific Officer of Applied Biomolecular Technologies and Chris Halkides, Professor of Biochemistry at UNC Wilmington are the ones making the claims of fraud, and this has yet to be peer reviewed as far as I know.

Machiavelli's close ally Popper just posted this a couple of days ago.

Most of the fantasies of these morons still writing in their favour on internet, as disciples of an evil religion supported by propaganda and tribal values, come from the 2 books

This is as close to a rant I've seen from him.
In the same post he said

On another point of yours, the judicial system in Italy can be slow but the paper trail remains attached and does not go away.

He might address the missing paper trail attaching RS to the crime then.

 

[xinonix]

"Could she be talking about work notes of the police? I would imagine the police would be keeping record of what was asked and answered,"

You can assume that the cops had a tape recorder record everything that was said. They just told Amanda that there was no tape recording. They had some excuse like somebody stole their tape recorder.
You can't expect them to tell the truth about that recording because they can't be sure that they will not be forced to hand over the tape. It is evidence so a subpoena or a court order or something like that will require them to let someone else have it. It might even wind up on the internet. At that time Amanda was just beginning to learn Italian, so she could not understand much of what was said to her. They may have said things to her in English but the cop would sound like Chico Marx. The whole world would be able to hear how badly they did their job.

 

[acbytesla]

"Could she be talking about work notes of the police? I would imagine the police would be keeping record of what was asked and answered,"

You can assume that the cops had a tape recorder record everything that was said. They just told Amanda that there was no tape recording. They had some excuse like somebody stole their tape recorder.
You can't expect them to tell the truth about that recording because they can't be sure that they will not be forced to hand over the tape. It is evidence so a subpoena or a court order or something like that will require them to let someone else have it. It might even wind up on the internet. At that time Amanda was just beginning to learn Italian, so she could not understand much of what was said to her. They may have said things to her in English but the cop would sound like Chico Marx. The whole world would be able to hear how badly they did their job.

You would think so. But the Peruguian Authorities have been denying that the interrogations were recorded since Amanda and Raffaele were arrested. If somehow recordings surfaced today there would be hell to pay.

 

[anglolawyer]

Diocletus

Are you sure about the species specific test. C-V just say this about it:

The “species-specific” test was performed on the aforementioned samples, and also tested negative for the human species.

here. This comes before extraction of DNA. Here is a description of such a test. I hardly understand a word of it and don't know whether this type of test was used.

In their assessment of the work on the knife, C-V say this:

- regarding the nature of the material collected, there is no scientifically conclusive evidence to support the possible blood nature of sample B (knife blade) in that both the generic blood test and the human species test were negative.

That's all I can see about it. I would like to know more about this test. If she tested her sample and found it was not human why are we wasting time on this case? As far as I understand, Meredith Kercher was human.

 

[Desert Fox]

"Could she be talking about work notes of the police? I would imagine the police would be keeping record of what was asked and answered,"

You can assume that the cops had a tape recorder record everything that was said. They just told Amanda that there was no tape recording. They had some excuse like somebody stole their tape recorder.
You can't expect them to tell the truth about that recording because they can't be sure that they will not be forced to hand over the tape. It is evidence so a subpoena or a court order or something like that will require them to let someone else have it. It might even wind up on the internet. At that time Amanda was just beginning to learn Italian, so she could not understand much of what was said to her. They may have said things to her in English but the cop would sound like Chico Marx. The whole world would be able to hear how badly they did their job.

You would think so. But the Peruguian Authorities have been denying that the interrogations were recorded since Amanda and Raffaele were arrested. If somehow recordings surfaced today there would be hell to pay.

The cops in this case lying. . . .Say it is not so
While I do not believe there is a systematic conspiracy, I do believe there was widespread lying. If there was an interrogation where they assaulted Amanda, certainly would not be good revealing their enhanced interrogation techniques.

 

[Diocletus]

Diocletus

Are you sure about the species specific test. C-V just say this about it:



here. This comes before extraction of DNA. Here is a description of such a test. I hardly understand a word of it and don't know whether this type of test was used.

In their assessment of the work on the knife, C-V say this:



That's all I can see about it. I would like to know more about this test. If she tested her sample and found it was not human why are we wasting time on this case? As far as I understand, Meredith Kercher was human.

As C&V note, TMB was negative (see the very last page of the SAL: http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Stato-Avanzamento-Lavori-SAL.pdf).

So, why would she perform a species-specific test? To confirm what kind of animal the not-blood didn't come from?

Anyway, you will also see on the SAL that the place for "species" is blank, meaning that she did not perform a species-specific test.

But, we can see that Stefanoni in her Technical Report says that the species-specific test was "negative." In my opinion, this is an obvious error--there was no species-specific test. In fact, the Technical Report is riddled with mistakes like this, particularly with respect to blood testing. In my opinion, all of the "cat" blood findings are made up, too. The fact of the matter is that there is no backup for any of the claimed blood-testing results (i.e., there are no contemporaneous records available), and none of them should be credited unless they are statements against the prosecution's interests.

This is one of my main problems with C&V: they trusted Stefanoni to be honest and didn't verify. Had they gone the extra step, and demanded the records, this would be a totally different case right now.

 

[Diocletus]

Machiavelli is tweeting the reason he is not coming back to JREF to discuss the finding of corruption in the DNA handling by Stefanoni in 2007.

He's saying that he does not discuss with racists.

For what it's worth, here is what two Ph.D.s in the relevant field say about Stefanoni's corruption.

​

Dr. Tom Zupancic, Chief Scientific Officer of Applied Biomolecular Technologies and Chris Halkides, Professor of Biochemistry at UNC Wilmington are the ones making the claims of fraud, and this has yet to be peer reviewed as far as I know.

Bill--didn't you know that chapter 7 of the real Machiavelli's The Prince says that whenever you are confronted with overwhelming proof backed by incontestable data, your correct course of action is to call the other guy a racist and run away?

 

[Diocletus]

Yes, at least one of the officers mentioned in court testimony that they were taking notes durring the interrogations that night. If we had our own notes detailing what we know about the interrogations I would be able to reference those notes and tell you who that was and where it is documented.

How did they record that head-smacking?

Was it a "Kapow!" or was it just "Pow!" or even "Wham!"?

 

[Anode]

Bill--didn't you know that chapter 7 of the real Machiavelli's The Prince says that whenever you are confronted with overwhelming proof backed by incontestable data, your correct course of action is to call the other guy a racist and run away?

Yes, my thoughts exactly. Racists? Not even close. I think it's a corollary of Goodwin's law.

 

[Bill Williams]

Machiavelli is tweeting the reason he is not coming back to JREF to discuss the finding of corruption in the DNA handling by Stefanoni in 2007.

He's saying that he does not discuss with racists.

For what it's worth, here is what two Ph.D.s in the relevant field say about Stefanoni's corruption.
Dr. Tom Zupancic, Chief Scientific Officer of Applied Biomolecular Technologies and Chris Halkides, Professor of Biochemistry at UNC Wilmington are the ones making the claims of fraud, and this has yet to be peer reviewed as far as I know.

Bill--didn't you know that chapter 7 of the real Machiavelli's The Prince says that whenever you are confronted with overwhelming proof backed by incontestable data, your correct course of action is to call the other guy a racist and run away?

But their actions are compatible with being racists. Being experts in DNA mapping, their abilities become compatible with those who do.....

Genetic Genealogy​

Remember - the standard of proof here is neither:

1) beyond a reasonable doubt, nor
2) beyond the balance of probabilities.​

It is whether or not their abilities are compatible with the allegation being made. Then the allegation becomes judicial and procedural fact.

Therefore, they are racists.

This method binds Cassazione to things like this as a fact, and any verdict from a lower court which conflicts with these procedural facts must be set aside.

You see, if Machiavelli is not here to explain it to you ingrates, someone has to!