Continuation Part Eight: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[Grinder]

Devon Guzman often fought with her girlfriends and was in a pretty strange love triangle. Does not mean that somebody had the right to murder her.

What?

 

[acbytesla]

There is hard evidence of one illegal entry, the nursery. He didn't break in there but was let in and only had the knife and maybe some change, IIRC.

CT's testimony if against the kids would be discounted because he only came forward with Rudi's name after his picture was in the papers. I find it hard to believe that he ID'ed Rudi the next night and didn't report the name of a man who had broken into his place and allegedly threatened him with a jack knife which nothing corroborates that he did in fact normally do.

He was in possession of stolen merchandise but there is no proof that he actually broke in.

I think if the Spanish account is true that he probably used his Milan connection to fence the goods.

Crime wave is hyperbole and that's what we were talking about.

You think that 5 in over a month would be a crime wave, if it was even 5?

Seriously Grinder? I said that there is evidence linking or suggesting that Rudy broke into 5 places within a month. Is there enough to convict him of those crimes? No, but is there evidence highly suggesting that Rudy did? Absolutely. Rudy broke into the nursery, he broke into the cottage, according to CT he broke into his residence, and since I don't buy that Rudy bought the laptop that was stolen in Perugia in Milan, I'd say there is evidence definitely linking him to the law office burglary as well. I'd also say that he probably broke into Mandu Diaz's place as well.

There is more compelling evidence that Rudy burglarized the law office than Amanda and Raffale "staged" the burglary.

As I said, maybe...maybe the term "crime wave was hyperbole..but I'd say that 5 burglaries in a month constitute a crime wave. And my guess is that Rudy committed more.

 

[Grinder]

Q Is describing this murder as a once-in-history crime an example of best version or dumbest PIP arguments.

Or is it too close to call ?

He was referring to the idea that three people that barely knew each got together without a communication trace and killed someone for only the most obscure motive and then held their silence for years.

Though I'm not one for the hyperbole I must say that the combination of circumstances make it a very strange crime as portrayed by the ILE.

Can you supply any crimes of a similar nature that weren't written and directed by Hitchcock?

 

[kwill]

You think that 5 in over a month would be a crime wave, if it was even 5?

My neighborhood had a rash of daytime break-ins in March and April - 5, to be exact. We didn't call it a crime wave, but you bet we were concerned.

This discussion is a distraction.

Guede had motive (needed rent) means (easy climb into the cottage) and opportunity (a holiday night when he had reason to believe everybody would be out.) He left evidence of his presence all over the place where it had no business being.

You know he's guilty, and you've said you know that AK & RS are innocent.

 

[Desert Fox]

What?

I chose a case I assume that you would Google.
Case where one of her girlfriends and her husband murdered her while her other girlfriend was almost almost railroaded into the crime.
The think is that the victim and her girlfriends often had knock down and drag out fights that she was at least partly responsible for.
If the justice system tried to shelter her parents, might make it harder to be honest in the trial.

I consider the same with regard to Meredeth. She was sexually active and hiding that she may have had multiple partners does not help issues although slut shaming her is also wrong.

I actually do not think the DNA came through that route though. I think it either came from the floor or from the dirty gloves of the investigators.

 

[Bill Williams]

Bill as you said up-thread he did it to protect her reputation. I don't see why females on the clasp is needed for an explanation of the contamination even if Nonsecini chose it. I don't see why "More men than Meredith's boyfriend = contamination" and more women equals no contamination.

My argument is with you because the presentation you make is weak and ineffective IMO. It is much more significant that he doesn't understand DNA science. Push on your point and they can just okay those were most likely men's DNA but we didn't see a need to hurt poor Meredith's family anymore.

Your views are duly noted. Read Nencini when he comes out in English.

My view is that he explained it this way primarily to explain away contamination.

 

[Grinder]

Seriously Grinder? I said that there is evidence linking or suggesting that Rudy broke into 5 places within a month. Is there enough to convict him of those crimes? No, but is there evidence highly suggesting that Rudy did? Absolutely. Rudy broke into the nursery, he broke into the cottage, according to CT he broke into his residence, and since I don't buy that Rudy bought the laptop that was stolen in Perugia in Milan, I'd say there is evidence definitely linking him to the law office burglary as well. I'd also say that he probably broke into Mandu Diaz's place as well.

He was let into the nursery - trespass.

Ct not reliable for stated reasons.

You may not "buy" it but his going to the office of the lawyers makes it even more likely he was just a fence.

Not only Diaz but now you are saying he must have broken even more because burglars don't get caught.

The crime wave was before the cottage - remember that was the point.

I know it fits your theory so it must be.

There is more compelling evidence that Rudy burglarized the law office than Amanda and Raffale "staged" the burglary.

Straw man alert!!!! Has nothing to do with the current question of whether he had been a one man crime wave.

As I said, maybe...maybe the term "crime wave was hyperbole..but I'd say that 5 burglaries in a month constitute a crime wave. And my guess is that Rudy committed more.

But you don't even have 3 in fact you don't have any. One of the old hands at FOA says he robbed the nursery of 2000 Euro which raises the question of rent money not being needed and why he would return to the scene of the big hit but I'm sure you can add it to the list.

Read all about it

 

[Grinder]

My neighborhood had a rash of daytime break-ins in March and April - 5, to be exact. We didn't call it a crime wave, but you bet we were concerned.

This discussion is a distraction.

Guede had motive (needed rent) means (easy climb into the cottage) and opportunity (a holiday night when he had reason to believe everybody would be out.) He left evidence of his presence all over the place where it had no business being.

You know he's guilty, and you've said you know that AK & RS are innocent.

Go read the article I just linked where the FOA contends that he stole 2000 Euro at the end of Sept. He had plenty of rent money not even considering the stash at his place.

How convenient you had 5 crimes of course even Tesla isn't claiming they were all in one neighborhood. If there were 5 burglaries in a small area of course it would raise concerns but the question here is did that actually happen.

Anglos remind us all of that. I surely know the ILE did not make their case and I doubt they had anything to do with the murder. That doesn't mean that Rudi was on a crime wave.

 

[acbytesla]

He was let into the nursery - trespass.

Really? Who let him in? YOU believe that NONSENSE story?

Ct not reliable for stated reasons.

He's more reliable than Curatolo, Quintavalle or Nara.

You may not "buy" it but his going to the office of the lawyers makes it even more likely he was just a fence.

You're right, I don't buy it. I think it is nonsense. Only you would believe that silly story.... kind of like the story that Rudy was let into the nursery or that Rudy bought the laptop in Milan or that some stranger came into the cottage while Rudy was taking a dump and murdered Meredith or that Amanda stole 300 Euros from Meredith. Let's just say that you are relying on the same person for the truth that not only Massei said was a liar, but that his own adoptive parents said was a liar.

Not only Diaz but now you are saying he must have broken even more because burglars don't get caught.

That's right, I am.

The crime wave was before the cottage - remember that was the point.

How can you NOT include the cottage??

But you don't even have 3 in fact you don't have any. One of the old hands at FOA says he robbed the nursery of 2000 Euro which raises the question of rent money not being needed and why he would return to the scene of the big hit but I'm sure you can add it to the list.

Read all about it

We'll have to agree to disagree Grinder. I don't think the bar for suggesting that Rudy was a busy burglar is as high as you make it. As I said before, this is not evidence enough to convict Rudy of these crimes. I would never convict him of these crimes based on this. Never the less, I think it is more than enough to suggest he committed these crimes. Oh, I never he counted the 2000 Euro burglary at the nursery. That makes six.

 

[Strozzi]

Agreed. So sue me.

I also agree that Nonsensicalcini does not solely rely on female Y-Haplotypes to convict.

Acc. to Luca Cheli, the section this is in is one detailing Nencini's objection to finding contamination on the bra-clasp (165). Conti & Vecchiotti see four samples in addition to Meredith's genetic profile as indication of contamination, not as something to convict Raffaele on.

Why? Well for one thing the sample pointing to Raffaele, is only really pointing to a large group of males which excludes Rudy, but which includes Raffaele. So in that sense it is not even a pointer to Raffaele "on the preponderance of the evidence".

But back to Nencini. Nencini's point in acknowledging C&V's work (note: not discounting it, but acknowledging it!) is to make some phantom reasoning why the other three stray samples are not suspicious, and more importantly not indicative of contamination.

So, he invents things. He just makes it up. Would you call it lying? (Stilicho is sensitive to that, so maybe we should ask Stilicho, he's the expert in contradictory stories!). . . .

Samples #3 and #4 on 165 - Nencini concedes that Conti & Vecchiotti got all this right, and he then he searches for an innocent reason for two more men's samples to be there, without making Meredith out to be promiscuous, and (more importanly) not to suspect contamination.

Nencini accomplishes this by attributing these two samples to Meredith's girlfriends, women who may have come in contact with that bra-clasp directly, because (remember this) the point here is for Nencini to argue against contamination.

So Nencini invents female Y-haplotypes. Makes it up. Invents it. All in a strained effort to say that what was found on 165 was not a result of contamination. . . .

I am puzzled by what Nencini wants people to take from this portion of his motivation. I understand that his position is that lab analysis proves that there is DNA from five people on Meredith's bra clasp: Meredith and four others. And that the DNA on the bra clasp from these various individuals only got there from direct contact, for if it was not direct contact then it is from contamination and Nencini can't have contamination as it makes it difficult to maintain that Raffaele was involved in Meredith's murder.

Nencini accounts for the DNA of four individuals by saying one direct contributor is most probably Meredith's downstairs boyfriend (direct contact, not contamination), one direct male contributor is Raffaele (gotta be direct contact, not contamination), and two direct contributors are woman (both with a 1 in 30,000 Y-chromosome condition).

I am now wondering who these women are. Bear with me as I try to identify who they could be.

Does Nencini believe that Meredith was dressed daily by two Y-chromosome English ladies-in-waiting who helped her fasten her bra or remove it each evening? Or does he believe two Y-chromosome females put their hands up the back of Meredith's blouse to snap or unsnap Meredith's bra strap - perhaps in some playful or affectionate act? Or maybe Meredith frequented two other Y-chromosome ladies who directly touched her bra clasp - perhaps a seamstress who repaired the bra and a sports trainer who gave Meredith rubdowns after workouts? This is the kind of contact Nencini suggests occurred when he declares in his motivation report that DNA was deposited directly on the bra clasp by two Y-chromosome women.

 

[Desert Fox]

I am puzzled by what Nencini wants people to take from this portion of his motivation. I understand that his position is that lab analysis proves that there is DNA from five people on Meredith's bra clasp: Meredith and four others. And that the DNA on the bra clasp from these various individuals only got there from direct contact, for if it was not direct contact then it is from contamination and Nencini can't have contamination as it makes it difficult to maintain that Raffaele was involved in Meredith's murder.

Maybe I was being dense but I did not think this through. . . .
Nencini is stating that the DNA has to be through direct contact.
It cannot be from the floor or an investigators glove.

 

[Bill Williams]

Maybe I was being dense but I did not think this through. . . .
Nencini is stating that the DNA has to be through direct contact.
It cannot be from the floor or an investigators glove.

Nencini is not saying this in theory. He's saying that in this case there is only one explanation for Raffaele's DNA to be on that clasp.

Patrizia Stefanoni, the Scientific Police lab technician who caused all this mess, herself identified four possible routes of contamination to the 2009 Massei court. Those were:

1) she could neither confirm nor deny that she has herself touched the hooks with her obviously dirty gloves
2) she testified that another technician that day also handled the clasp, but was sure he had changed gloves
3) she testified that the 118 Medical people had come into Meredith's room without protective suits to do a forensic study of the body
4) she testified that the simple act of picking up the clasp (which she did) and then replacing it on the floor is a possible route of contamination​

You will need to read Massei's 2010 motivations report for yourself to find out why Massei rejects all four as routes of contamination. (Basically he said, because Stefanoni assured him none happened.)

Nencini in 2014 is not saying that contamination cannot be from the floor or an investigator's glove, he's saying it was not from the floor or an investigator's glove.

Why? Because he says that the 2nd non-Meredith trace, Y-DNA, was obviously from Meredith's boyfriend. He does not know this he simply asserts this on the grounds that Meredith had a healthy and normal sex-life.

The third and the fourth Y-DNA on Exhibit 165 had then to have been from Meredith's girlfriends, maybe they'd handled her bra on the drying rack, who knows. Nencini doesn't say, he just says that it is obvious that it has to be that way.

Why is it obvious it has to be that way? Because Raffaele is guilty, and his is the only non-ordinary, unjustifiable, obviously placed there on the night of the murder DNA sample, even though the Y-haplotype found places him only in a possible pool of suspects.

Nencini is obviously engaging in tortured confirmation bias. He is letting his conclusion drive what he finds about the bra-clasp, up to and including the absurdity about the third and fourth traces. This is even before considering that he's merely asserting with NO EVIDENCE that trace #2 belongs to Meredith's boyfriend.

All because Nencini has already decided that there's no contamination on that clasp - there can't be or else Raffaele cannot be found guilty.

Guilters: do you want such a judge deciding your fate?

 

[Strozzi]

I chose a case I assume that you would Google.
Case where one of her girlfriends and her husband murdered her while her other girlfriend was almost almost railroaded into the crime.
The think is that the victim and her girlfriends often had knock down and drag out fights that she was at least partly responsible for.
If the justice system tried to shelter her parents, might make it harder to be honest in the trial.

I consider the same with regard to Meredeth. She was sexually active and hiding that she may have had multiple partners does not help issues although slut shaming her is also wrong.

I actually do not think the DNA came through that route though. I think it either came from the floor or from the dirty gloves of the investigators.

If Court of Cessation wants to know if DNA on the bra clasp got there through contamination or direct contact, they could instruct an appeal court to task scientists to determine whose DNA is on the clasp. My only recommendation in doing this is to have scientists independent of Stefanoni's lab match the DNA data with the DNA of others known to have been in the cottage before and after the crime.

If the DNA matches various police officers, crime scene techs, prosecutors (Mignini), medical staff (Lalli), et al. who were in the cottage who did not handle the bra clasp, there is contamination.

 

[Bill Williams]

If Court of Cessation wants to know if DNA on the bra clasp got there through contamination or direct contact, they could instruct an appeal court to task scientists to determine whose DNA is on the clasp. My only recommendation in doing this is to have scientists independent of Stefanoni's lab match the DNA data with the DNA of others known to have been in the cottage before and after the crime.

If the DNA matches various police officers, crime scene techs, prosecutors (Mignini), medical staff (Lalli), et al. who were in the cottage who did not handle the bra clasp, there is contamination.

Stefanoni destroyed the clasp, it is not now available for testing. In any other jurisdiction in the world, careless destruction of evidence would have resulted in an acquittal... but remember, in Italy there is very little oversight or consequence for wrongdoing on the part of the police or PMs.

 

[Desert Fox]

If Court of Cessation wants to know if DNA on the bra clasp got there through contamination or direct contact, they could instruct an appeal court to task scientists to determine whose DNA is on the clasp. My only recommendation in doing this is to have scientists independent of Stefanoni's lab match the DNA data with the DNA of others known to have been in the cottage before and after the crime.

If the DNA matches various police officers, crime scene techs, prosecutors (Mignini), medical staff (Lalli), et al. who were in the cottage who did not handle the bra clasp, there is contamination.

One snag in this who thing is that Stefanoni destroyed the evidence.
Pretty sure the clasp could have been retested if they could have figured out proper storage procedures.

 

[RandyN]

Bill,

Nonsecini doesn't need the Y-Haplotypes to be from women. You are making a mountain of a mole hill on this and by doing it the way you are doing it you make your argument look foolish and miss the bigger point that he doesn't understand the science.

The defense could make the point that while attributing unidentified Y-haplotypes to women doesn't impact the reasoning significantly it does show that the court does not understand some very basic aspects of DNA. If the court doesn't understand the basics then how can they be expected to understand the complexities of LCN DNA?

He may not need the Y's to be from women but for some reason that is the "fact" he chose to base part of his decision for guilt on.

So not only is his understanding of DNA wrong ...he proves himself to be a careless fool who while holding the power to command whatever expert review he and his court might need...instead he makes impossibly absurd claims.

If as Bill speculates he is simply trying to avoid the contamination issue then the defense needs to ask the SC who the female y haps belong to since these "Big Foots" (Feet?) should be taken together as a statistically rarity such as the world has never seen...two in one place and both touching the metal hooks on a bra clasp...what are the odds?

Or maybe it was contamination? Huh. The judge cant speculate one y marker belonged to the downstairs BF. Its silly to even say that. Its an unconfirmed guess at best and its simply crazy speculation and something the police could have easily confirmed in the DNA tests...but they did not....or Stefanoni did not.

The is no reasonable explanation beside contamination to explain these 4 people on MK bra. A police man touching it so as to leave his DNA markers there is in fact contaminating it! And he or she could just as easily of handled RS ciggy butt or door handle right before contaminating the bra clasp with his own DNA.

The proof of contamination is the 5 people on something that should not contain 5 people...unless MK was a hooker...then OK... still unlikely, but who knows...

The judge failed to teach himself about the science...he failed or at least ignored the expert report he had in front of him. This indicates a rush to judgement and perhaps even a corrupt fixed case against innocent persons.

This seems to be further confirmation that Italian Courts are dirty courts. Corrupt lying liars. Not even clever liars....but stupid idiotic liars.

Thanks Bill ...but I saw Franks article from May 5th...or whenever. I disagree with his take on what the ISC will do. And if you recall ...perhaps you weren't around then...but Frank had his own site called Perugia Shock and he did write articles nearly every day or at least a couple a week. That site is gone and Frank has been silenced basically. Perhaps he silenced himself...I don't know...but he has for all intents been silenced or rendered impotent as a reporter about the details of this court case.

 

[RWVBWL]

3 other women's DNA?

I can't help but wonder how likely it would be to find 3 other women's DNA on a bra clasp other than the donor? I find that highly unlikely but obviously not as unlikely as them having XY chromosones or three men. If this isn't proof of contamination, I have to wonder seriously what is??

Hi ACbyTesla,
With it bein' a holiday weekend here,
I've hadda coupla whiskey+cokes tonight.
Ya man, feelin' alive, especially good, after a death at the beach yesterday.
Rode some waves today, talked some stories, shared laughter with bros and bro-ettes!

Stopped in for a quick read on The JREF,
and after reading your posting quoted above, I'm wondering how many other murdered women, who also had their bra's removed in a sexual assault and rape, had the DNA of 4 other people, other than their own, found on their bra clasp?


Maybe I'm wierd,
but I'd like to think that all of the gals I've dated should probably have had only my own DNA and hers too on their own bra clasp. Shouldn't that be the case with the bra clasp of your own girlfriends, wives, significant others, too?


Wouldn't Meredith's luver,
Giacomo's DNA be a significant DNA contributor on her bra clasp?
And also the murderer too?

You've gotta be kidding me that a buncha girlz DNA,
besides Raffaele's, was found on Meredith's bra-clasp!

Did the girlz all share their bras?
"Wow, Laura, err Filomena, my bra looks hot on you"!??!
Or did the Italian girlz like to fondle Mez's underwear when she wasn't home?
I wonder for a second, did Meredith suspect this? These Italian chicks are kinda weird?
Might be a reason for her to have locked her rented bedroom door when she weren't at home!

Or was Meredith,
(whom I know, from readin' Barbie Nadeau's book large-type, easy-readin' book Angel Face,
was sexually adventurous when dating a new foreign dude),
a lesbian?

That's a new one to ponder.

Or are those other DNA profiles just the result of contamination,
from a crime lab technician, who is seen wearing dirty gloves who then was trusted to test the same samples she collected? Hmmmm.

I'm odd,
I can't figure this stuff out!
L8, RW

 

[RWVBWL]

Milan crime spree?

Seriously Grinder? I said that there is evidence linking or suggesting that Rudy broke into 5 places within a month. Is there enough to convict him of those crimes? No, but is there evidence highly suggesting that Rudy did? Absolutely. Rudy broke into the nursery, he broke into the cottage, according to CT he broke into his residence, and since I don't buy that Rudy bought the laptop that was stolen in Perugia in Milan, I'd say there is evidence definitely linking him to the law office burglary as well. I'd also say that he probably broke into Mandu Diaz's place as well.

There is more compelling evidence that Rudy burglarized the law office than Amanda and Raffale "staged" the burglary.

As I said, maybe...maybe the term "crime wave was hyperbole..but I'd say that 5 burglaries in a month constitute a crime wave. And my guess is that Rudy committed more.

He was let into the nursery - trespass.<snip>

Where's The Grinder we all know?
How the heck do we know that Rudy Guede,
a dude with no real job at the time, though he said he was working for Armani,
paid some of his hard earned, (from where?) cash to stay,
to trespass at a nursery school overnight?

Keep in mind that Rudy says he was in Milan for a party, to go dancin' if I recall correctly,
Yes, I still have the links I posted previously, but I just don't feel like re-readin' them right now.


Though this was his last night in town,
the dude shoulda been looking spiffy, sorto like in this pix

for he had been out on the prowl in previous days.

A guy who worked for Armani, right?!?


Not the bum-ly hobo lookin' dude that Milan Police photographed
after Poor Rudy was found in a recently burglarized little kids school.

How ya gonna get any ^^^^^ when lookin' like that?


Rudy paid someone to let him inside a nursery school?

Right! My thoughts are that he's lyin' once again, and had found a key to the place during the previous break-in,(*) when he probably scored some major cashola, what was it 20000E which he then party-ed his arse off with, as he told his true tale of workin' for Armani when back in Perugia to a buncha foreign chicks. Come on girls, bro's, Drinks on me, sniff a line or 2 of cocaine, let's party!!! Soon afterwards, $$$$.$$ gone, nightclubin' Rudy returned to the scene of the Milan crime, and was found, lookin' more than a bit disheveled, in the nursery school...
My thoughts only, RW



(*) - Man, I'm gettin' a bit hammered tonight, yea!
But I wonder still:
How did the entry to the original Nursery School Burglary happen?
Broken window, Jimmied door? Inside job?

I found this info:
On October 8, nursery school owner Maria Del Prato went to her school on a Monday morning and found the kitchen was a total mess. Someone had prepared a vast quantity of food, pasta and frozen spinach and left the debris all over the room, in the sink and all over the tables. Also the pallets where the children take their naps were disarrayed and had been slept on. 2000 euros, the tuition she’d accepted from parents the previous Friday had been stolen.

More info:
On October 27, Maria Del Prato walked into her school office and found Rudy Guede unhooking the cable to her computer in order to plug it into his laptop and she immediately called the police. The police went through his back pack and found a large knife he’d taken from the nursery school kitchen, the stolen laptop belonging to Paolo Brocchi , cell phone, stolen keys, a little hammer used for breaking glass and a woman’s gold watch.


Question:
Wasn't Maria Del Prato there with a locksmith,
ya know, to change the locks when she found Rudy G'day?

Was it because she noticed that someone had stolen keys from the nursery school? Or was it that she suspected someone, an insider, was renting out her school as a youth hostel for wayward late night travelers at the Milan Train Station?

My guess?
Rudy Guede did not pay anyone 20 or 50 Euro to stay at a lil' kids school overnight, he simply returned to the scene of a previous crime he committed and let himself into the school with stolen keys, which the Italian cops never checked to see if any of the stolen keys they found on him even matched the nursery school doors. Or did they?

 

[Samson]

Hi ACbyTesla,
With it bein' a holiday weekend here,
I've hadda coupla whiskey+cokes tonight.
Ya man, feelin' alive, especially good, after a death at the beach yesterday.
Rode some waves today, talked some stories, shared laughter with bros and bro-ettes!

Stopped in for a quick read on The JREF,
and after reading your posting quoted above, I'm wondering how many other murdered women, who also had their bra's removed in a sexual assault and rape, had the DNA of 4 other people, other than their own, found on their bra clasp?


Maybe I'm wierd,
but I'd like to think that all of the gals I've dated should probably have had only my own DNA and hers too on their own bra clasp. Shouldn't that be the case with the bra clasp of your own girlfriends, wives, significant others, too?


Wouldn't Meredith's luver,
Giacomo's DNA be a significant DNA contributor on her bra clasp?
And also the murderer too?

You've gotta be kidding me that a buncha girlz DNA,
besides Raffaele's, was found on Meredith's bra-clasp!

Did the girlz all share their bras?
"Wow, Laura, err Filomena, my bra looks hot on you"!??!
Or did the Italian girlz like to fondle Mez's underwear when she wasn't home?
I wonder for a second, did Meredith suspect this? These Italian chicks are kinda weird?
Might be a reason for her to have locked her rented bedroom door when she weren't at home!

Or was Meredith,
(whom I know, from readin' Barbie Nadeau's book large-type, easy-readin' book Angel Face,
was sexually adventurous when dating a new foreign dude),
a lesbian?

That's a new one to ponder.

Or are those other DNA profiles just the result of contamination,
from a crime lab technician, who is seen wearing dirty gloves who then was trusted to test the same samples she collected? Hmmmm.

I'm odd,
I can't figure this stuff out!
L8, RW

RWVBWL, sorry to hear about the death near the beach, we have them too, though this one was singular and disturbing to the community

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/loc...agic-shark-attack-death-couldn-t-be-prevented

I have been thinking more than studying this bra clasp business.

I offer this without any citations, purely from memory,
A police convoy arrives from Rome to search for more evidence as soon as the Sollecito family prove that Raffaele was not in the room where Meredith expired, and find a bra clasp upon which the second most prevalent dna profile belonged to Mr Sollecito.
Let us believe that this dna substance was truly on the bra clasp when tested.

I find as fact that it was planted, as a lay juror.

 

[anglolawyer]

Stefanoni destroyed the clasp, it is not now available for testing. In any other jurisdiction in the world, careless destruction of evidence would have resulted in an acquittal... but remember, in Italy there is very little oversight or consequence for wrongdoing on the part of the police or PMs.

Well, except Ontario, where destruction/loss of crucial CCTV footage makes no difference at all. I am deducting points from you for this blunder and also from Strozzi for implying there was DNA on the clasp. The true position is there was mixed DNA on something which Stefanoni claimed was the clasp (while burying the fact that there was more than one contributor) but which might have been anything at all.