Continuation Part 21: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Bill Williams]

FOA did not pay anyone, so there's lie #1. The video of the rock climber is from a program produced by the UK's Channel 5. The climber, Ricardo Panella, is identified as "a climbing enthusiast" and "experienced" not as a "professional". Lie #2.
When Panella is asked if the climb requires an experienced climber, or only someone who is tall, athletic, and in reasonably good shape, he answers that it is not a problem "not only for me, for another person, it's not a problem to climb".

Lie #3, Vixen said that Panella was 6' 7".

 

[Stacyhs]

Lie #3, Vixen said that Panella was 6' 7".

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I wonder just what a "professional" rock climber get paid to do? What's the going rate? Are they paid by the foot or rock?

 

[Stacyhs]

Bill, take a look at the beginning of the video where the two lawyers and Panella are walking down the driveway. Panella is walking next to the female lawyer. He appears to be no more than 3 inches taller than her. That makes this woman about 6'4". LOL!!

 

[TruthCalls]

I'm currently building a large gazebos with a new deck that connects it to the house. I built the gazebos first and in order to gain access to it I built a ramp. The entrance is 51" off the ground. When I began to put the footings in for the deck I had to take the ramp down. At some point I realized I needed a tool that was inside the gazebos. With no ramp, and being to lazy to grab a step ladder I decided to climb up. I am 6'3", 255 lbs and almost 60 years old but I was still able to put my hands on the door sill, press myself up, swing a foot up onto the door sill and then stand up. I won't say it was easy (after that I kept the step ladder handy) but I am certain 30 years and 60 lbs ago it would have been easy.

With the door sill being 51" off the ground I believe it was actually higher up my chest than the window sill would have been for someone the size of Guede standing on the top rung of the security grate. Only someone who chooses to abandon common sense and logic - like, say, someone who claims a knife with a blade twice as long as the wound is deep and which tests negative for blood, human species and DNA is nonetheless the knife that killed Meredith - could argue that the climb would be difficult for someone like Guede.

 

[Samzilla]

FOA did not pay anyone, so there's lie #1. The video of the rock climber is from a program produced by the UK's Channel 5. The climber, Ricardo Panella, is identified as "a climbing enthusiast" and "experienced" not as a "professional". Lie #2.
When Panella is asked if the climb requires an experienced climber, or only someone who is tall, athletic, and in reasonably good shape, he answers that it is not a problem "not only for me, for another person, it's not a problem to climb".

Ah, but what you fail to account for is that surely the mafia paid him to say that. They bought off everyone to free Sollecito and Knox, remember?

 

[Bill Williams]

Holy cow. Raffaele's former lawyer, Luca Maori, had been sanctioned for an interview he'd given to Oggi about, "Justice in Umbria, Truth and appearances." This was a suit brought by Mignini himself, but prosecuted by a Florence prosecutor.

Unless I am reading this wrong - and someone will tell me if I am, I am sure - even the winning Florence prosecutor is now asking the judge not to proceed with these charges.

Anyone have further info? Or do I have it wrong. Methos?

http://www.umbria24.it/braccio-di-ferro-tra-avvocato-maori-e-pm-mignini-camera-penale-difende-il-legale-di-sollecito/399612.html

If right, even when Mignini wins he ends up losing!!!!

 

[Methos]

Holy cow. Raffaele's former lawyer, Luca Maori, had been sanctioned for an interview he'd given to Oggi about, "Justice in Umbria, Truth and appearances." This was a suit brought by Mignini himself, but prosecuted by a Florence prosecutor.

Unless I am reading this wrong - and someone will tell me if I am, I am sure - even the winning Florence prosecutor is now asking the judge not to proceed with these charges.

Anyone have further info? Or do I have it wrong. Methos?

http://www.umbria24.it/braccio-di-ferro-tra-avvocato-maori-e-pm-mignini-camera-penale-difende-il-legale-di-sollecito/399612.html

If right, even when Mignini wins he ends up losing!!!!

Well, to me it looks like Maori's lawyer collegues from Perugia are siding with him when it comes to this suit (courtesey of TJMK), and they have expressed - according to the article - their "Piena solidarietà e vicinanza" ("Full solidarity and closeness").

You might be wrong about the "winning" prosecutor, because as I understand it, this one is a civil suit and Dr Crini might not be involved (I haven't seen names named...) and about the publication. It wasn't "Oggi". The interview was published in a magazine called "Settegiorni Umbria" ("Umbria Weekly").

You might be wrong about the identity of the Florence prosecutor, but the article states that:

Chiesta l’archiviazione La querela per diffamazione, firmata dal sostituto procuratore generale Mignini e da due poliziotte che quando prestavano servizio alla squadra mobile hanno svolto indagini sull’omicidio di Meredith, ha ricevuto una richiesta d’archiviazione da parte del pm di Firenze contro la quale è stata avanzata opposizione.

the Florence prosecutor asked the judge to archive (i.e throw it out) this one...

 

[Bill Williams]

Well, to me it looks like Maori's lawyer collegues from Perugia are siding with him when it comes to this suit (courtesey of TJMK), and they have expressed - according to the article - their "Piena solidarietà e vicinanza" ("Full solidarity and closeness").

You might be wrong about the "winning" prosecutor, because as I understand it, this one is a civil suit and Dr Crini might not be involved (I haven't seen names named...) and about the publication. It wasn't "Oggi". The interview was published in a magazine called "Settegiorni Umbria" ("Umbria Weekly").

You might be wrong about the identity of the Florence prosecutor, but the article states that:

the Florence prosecutor asked the judge to archive (i.e throw it out) this one...

Thanks for the corrections. Google translate is a mixed blessing.

 

[Methos]

Thanks for the corrections. Google translate is a mixed blessing.

It is

 

[Stacyhs]

Ah, but what you fail to account for is that surely the mafia paid him to say that. They bought off everyone to free Sollecito and Knox, remember?

If not the Mafia, then it was the Masons. Or perhaps a satanic cult.

 

[Desert Fox]

If not the Mafia, then it was the Masons. Or perhaps a satanic cult.

Don't forget the Jews

 

[Numbers]

Well, to me it looks like Maori's lawyer collegues from Perugia are siding with him when it comes to this suit (courtesey of TJMK), and they have expressed - according to the article - their "Piena solidarietà e vicinanza" ("Full solidarity and closeness").

You might be wrong about the "winning" prosecutor, because as I understand it, this one is a civil suit and Dr Crini might not be involved (I haven't seen names named...) and about the publication. It wasn't "Oggi". The interview was published in a magazine called "Settegiorni Umbria" ("Umbria Weekly").

You might be wrong about the identity of the Florence prosecutor, but the article states that:

the Florence prosecutor asked the judge to archive (i.e throw it out) this one...

I think this article is about a criminal prosecution for defamation.

The word "querela" can mean (civil) lawsuit, but in the context of the article, I believe it means "complaint". Mignini and two police women brought the complaint of criminal defamation which would be pursued as a criminal case by a prosecutor. If it were not a criminal case, a prosecutor would not be asking that the case be "archived" (dismissed? or suspended?).

The Italian criminal law on defamation is contained in CP Articles 595 and 596-bis.

Art. 595 - Diffamazione
Chiunque, fuori dei casi indicati nell'articolo precedente, comunicando con più persone, offende l'altrui reputazione, è punito con la reclusione fino a un anno o con la multa fino a euro 1.032.
Se l'offesa consiste nell'attribuzione di un fatto determinato, la pena è della reclusione fino a due anni, ovvero della multa fino a euro 2.065.
Se l'offesa è recata col mezzo della stampa o con qualsiasi altro mezzo di pubblicità , ovvero in atto pubblico, la pena è della reclusione da sei mesi a tre anni o della multa non inferiore a euro 516.
Se l'offesa è recata a un Corpo politico, amministrativo o giudiziario, o ad una sua rappresentanza o ad una autorità costituita in collegio, le pene sono aumentate.

Art. 596-bis - Diffamazione col mezzo della stampa
Se il delitto di diffamazione è commesso col mezzo della stampa le disposizioni dell'articolo precedente si applicano anche al direttore o vice-direttore responsabile, all'editore e allo stampatore, per i reati preveduti negli articoli 57, 57-bis e 58.

Google translation of Article 595:

Whoever, apart from the cases mentioned in the previous article, by communicating with more people, would damage the reputation of others, it shall be punished with imprisonment up to one year or a fine of up to EUR 1,032.
If the offense consists in the attribution of a given fact, the penalty is imprisonment up to two years, or a fine of up to EUR 2,065.
If the offense went with the press or by any other means of advertising, or in a public act, the punishment shall be imprisonment from six months to three years or a fine of not less than EUR 516.If the offense went to a political body, administrative or judicial, or to a representative or an established authority in college, the penalties are increased.

Source: http://www.leggeonline.info/search.php?qr=diffamazione

 

[LondonJohn]

I think this article is about a criminal prosecution for defamation.

The word "querela" can mean (civil) lawsuit, but in the context of the article, I believe it means "complaint". Mignini and two police women brought the complaint of criminal defamation which would be pursued as a criminal case by a prosecutor. If it were not a criminal case, a prosecutor would not be asking that the case be "archived" (dismissed? or suspended?).

The Italian criminal law on defamation is contained in CP Articles 595 and 596-bis.



Google translation of Article 595:

Whoever, apart from the cases mentioned in the previous article, by communicating with more people, would damage the reputation of others, it shall be punished with imprisonment up to one year or a fine of up to EUR 1,032.
If the offense consists in the attribution of a given fact, the penalty is imprisonment up to two years, or a fine of up to EUR 2,065.
If the offense went with the press or by any other means of advertising, or in a public act, the punishment shall be imprisonment from six months to three years or a fine of not less than EUR 516.If the offense went to a political body, administrative or judicial, or to a representative or an established authority in college, the penalties are increased.

Source: http://www.leggeonline.info/search.php?qr=diffamazione

Sure looks like at least one of the prosecutors on the Kercher case is a neo-Fascist egomaniac with a hair-trigger litigation impulse and an aggressive desire for self-protection at any and all costs....

I look forward with some considerable satisfaction to his proper and fair comeuppance

 

[Stacyhs]

I'm still waiting for Vixen to post the quotes and cite the sources for two of her claims. All I hear are crickets.

 

[Vixen]

If not the Mafia, then it was the Masons. Or perhaps a satanic cult.

If he wasn't paid, then it suggests he was not impartial and did it as a favour to help the FOA cause.

 

[Vixen]

I'm still waiting for Vixen to post the quotes and cite the sources for two of her claims. All I hear are crickets.

Stacyhs: I will respond. ATM I have the most gorgeous yarn waiting to be transformed into items of beauty for fundraising for charity at tomorrow's convention.

 

[Vixen]

Don't forget the Jews

I object to this comment.

 

[bagels]

If he wasn't paid, then it suggests he was not impartial and did it as a favour to help the FOA cause.

Well Rudy was paid for climbing a 4 meter wall. IIRC the payment was a $1000 laptop, a portable printer, and a mobile phone.

 

[Stacyhs]

Stacyhs: I will respond. ATM I have the most gorgeous yarn waiting to be transformed into items of beauty for fundraising for charity at tomorrow's convention.

I'll be waiting...

 

[Stacyhs]

If he wasn't paid, then it suggests he was not impartial and did it as a favour to help the FOA cause.

Where did I say he wasn't paid? I said he wasn't paid by FOA, which is what you claimed. He was probably paid by Channel 5, the maker of the documentary. So your "suggestion" is not backed up by any evidence whatsoever.