Continuation Part 18: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[analemma]

Who do we believe: an aggressive armchair advocate, such as Kauffer or LondonJohn, who swear innocence at all costs regardless of the evidence, or a skilled, experienced, qualified and respected top journalist, John Follain, with a whole team of top grade researchers to check all the facts before publication?

Take your pick.

John Follain, the top journalist falsified some facts, included insider Italian Police "lies", and ignored other exonerating facts to become a major contributor to the "Media Circus" that "interfered with the search for the truth", as explained by the Italian Supreme Court.

 

[carbonjam72]

All it proves is that whilst Germany has DAS BILD, England has THE SUN and the USA NATIONAL ENQUIRER, hey, Italy has its gutter press, too: THE CHRONICLE.


Two-bit hacks writing bilge.

What does this remind me of? No wait, I can't quite remember. Oh yes.

 

[Mike1711]

It's very lucky Papa Raff persuaded Massei the size 42 trainer print found, which strangely had a star defect on the heel identical to that of Raff's, was actually Rudy's -who normally takes size 45 - or we might have to speculate it was Raff who stepped on the purported jizz.

Surely if you respond to a specific point, your response should address the point. You're all over the place with this "response", which has absolutely nothing at all to do with my post.
....oh, and to respond to your point about "Papa Raff. It is not rocket science to count concentric circles and if the sole of the shoe has X number of circles and a shoe print has Y number, it matters not one iota about anything else you care to try to match. It is simply impossible for a shoe to create a print other than a negative mirror image of itself.
This in itself is proof positive that it is not RS's shoe. It's not even "reasonable doubt", it's a complete implosion of even the remotest possibility of this as evidence.
END OF STORY. Give this one up forever. As evidence it is deceased. It's shuffled off this mortal coil. It's not even ex-evidence. It's NOT evidence.

 

[analemma]

You are badly wrong. Mignini was merely doing his public duty in indicting the pair. He is not sadistic, he did not enjoy asking for life. Indeed, he is quoted as saying immediately after his submissions, that it was the worst day of his life [having to condemn young ppl to life imprisonment].

Far from Mignini being some kind of a monster, it takes great courage to do his job. Who is more inhumane, the murderer who shows no mercy at all for their victim (apart from a poxy duvet after the event) or a prosecutor who brings such a monster to justice?

Mignini is obviously a deranged, sadistic, nut case, whose lunatic rantings and hallucinations were aimed ENTIRELY at fueling the "Media Circus" described by the ISC and drawing attention away from his own problems with his earlier abuse of power.
The defense of the actions of Mignini in creating and perpetuating this outrageous injustice makes it clear that Mach and Vixen will do and say anything to harm both of these innocents and anyone who criticizes their precious Italian police and prosecutors.

 

[Vixen]

Surely if you respond to a specific point, your response should address the point. You're all over the place with this "response", which has absolutely nothing at all to do with my post.
....oh, and to respond to your point about "Papa Raff. It is not rocket science to count concentric circles and if the sole of the shoe has X number of circles and a shoe print has Y number, it matters not one iota about anything else you care to try to match. It is simply impossible for a shoe to create a print other than a negative mirror image of itself.
This in itself is proof positive that it is not RS's shoe. It's not even "reasonable doubt", it's a complete implosion of even the remotest possibility of this as evidence.
END OF STORY. Give this one up forever. As evidence it is deceased. It's shuffled off this mortal coil. It's not even ex-evidence. It's NOT evidence.

No shoe was ever recovered that matched the so-called Rudy print.

 

[skbuncks]

No shoe was ever recovered that matched the so-called Rudy print.

I, for one, am happy that you finally accept it wasn't Raf's.

 

[Kauffer]

Who do we believe: an aggressive armchair advocate, such as Kauffer or LondonJohn, who swear innocence at all costs regardless of the evidence, or a skilled, experienced, qualified and respected top journalist, John Follain, with a whole team of top grade researchers to check all the facts before publication?

Take your pick.

This is like shooting fish in a barrel. The answer is simple; believe nobody; look at, instead, the evidence. The evidence shows only three text messages! Go to the evidence, vixen. The identity of advocates is essentially valueless.

Why do you believe, vixen? What need have you for belief? Go to the evidence.

Similarly with Amanda's call records - idiot Leek couldn't even tell the difference between an ansaphone message and an outgoing call. But you accepted Leek's claims and parroted them here as part of your pro guilt obsession.

 

[Mike1711]

No shoe was ever recovered that matched the so-called Rudy print.

It doesn't matter to RS - it wasn't his shoe and it takes the prosecutions case against RS nowhere. As for Rudy Guede. It was/wasn't his shoe print is an argument which should have taken place at his trial.
...but at least we agree it wasn't RS's shoe. Whew!!!

 

[Kauffer]

And it's simply not possible there was a tertiary transfer of Raff's DNA from the doorknob, as (a) after 42 days, the doorknob DNA would have dried and deteriorated by overriding DNA and handsweat and (b) there is no evidence Napoleoni's latex glove ever came into contact with the door handle for such a contamination to happen. Prof David Balding of UCL confirms it is an irrefutable, exceptionally strong imprint of Raff's DNA on the bra clasp.

No two ways about it. Not even that wily old fraud Gill, paid defence shill, can convincingly twist it.

ETA And anyway, the video shows, and Napoleoni affirms, she took great care not to touch the actual clasp.

Who said Raffaele's DNA was only on the doorknob? Who said that his DNA could only have been transferred to the clasp in the manner you discuss? How do you account for the additional profiles on the clasp? Why is there no other evidence from Raffaele, in the room, on his clothes or in his flat?

 

[Kauffer]

No shoe was ever recovered that matched the so-called Rudy print.

Did they find one from Raffaele matching the print? I guess not.

They found the box at Guede's place.

Did you want to acquit Guede with this information?

 

[Bill Williams]

And it's simply not possible there was a tertiary transfer of Raff's DNA from the doorknob, as (a) after 42 days, the doorknob DNA would have dried and deteriorated by overriding DNA and handsweat and (b) there is no evidence Napoleoni's latex glove ever came into contact with the door handle for such a contamination to happen. Prof David Balding of UCL confirms it is an irrefutable, exceptionally strong imprint of Raff's DNA on the bra clasp.

No two ways about it. Not even that wily old fraud Gill, paid defence shill, can convincingly twist it.

ETA And anyway, the video shows, and Napoleoni affirms, she took great care not to touch the actual clasp.

This information that, "there is no evidence of...." is only useful if you are accusing Stefanoni of a crime. If so, then one cannot use non-existent evidence against her.

As for Stefanoni not touching the clasp.... fortunately there is positive evidence against her, that she herself provides....

 

[acbytesla]

How many times do you need to be told that there were three simple text messages just before and just after 7pm? How many times do you need to be told that the party was not Kercher's party? Nobody was desperate and nobody was begging anybody else.

How long will it take before you realise that claims for the existence of evidence in secondary sources have to be tested with reference to the primary sources?

You have looked for additional messages, cannot find them from any source and yet still maintain, it seems, that they are there somewhere.

This is the sad story - a total incapability on your behalf to discern the truth. You have embarrassed yourself - yet again.

It matters little how often she is told as she is not interested in anything that conflicts with her delusions.

 

[acbytesla]

And it's simply not possible there was a tertiary transfer of Raff's DNA from the doorknob, as (a) after 42 days, the doorknob DNA would have dried and deteriorated by overriding DNA and handsweat and (b) there is no evidence Napoleoni's latex glove ever came into contact with the door handle for such a contamination to happen. Prof David Balding of UCL confirms it is an irrefutable, exceptionally strong imprint of Raff's DNA on the bra clasp.

No two ways about it. Not even that wily old fraud Gill, paid defence shill, can convincingly twist it.

ETA And anyway, the video shows, and Napoleoni affirms, she took great care not to touch the actual clasp.

There is not a DNA expert on the planet who would call Dr. Gill a defense shill. But you do. Why do you think that?

And by the way, why would they just take care not to touch the clasp when all of it was evidence? And you do know that Stefanoni admitted that she couldn't be sure that she hadn't touched the clasp.

 

[acbytesla]

It's very lucky Papa Raff persuaded Massei the size 42 trainer print found, which strangely had a star defect on the heel identical to that of Raff's, was actually Rudy's -who normally takes size 45 - or we might have to speculate it was Raff who stepped on the purported jizz.

Yea, he added those extra rings too.

 

[Mike1711]

ETA And anyway, the video shows, and Napoleoni affirms, she took great care not to touch the actual clasp.

Why?? Could she see the DNA on the clasp??
Or is this more evidence of just how psychic the Italian investigation team are that they
...instinctively pick knives from drawers,...
...instinctively know that the murderer was going to put the body in the cupboard but forgot to do so and then AK unwittingly told the police the body was in the cupboard which it wasn't, thus giving herself away because the police knew she had forgotten to move the body into the cupboard where the police knew it was supposed to be.....whew!!!
....and now you say the investigation team touched only that part of the bra and clasp that doesn't have DNA. Why?....because they can instinctively locate or see the DNA and thereby know what not to touch?
Vixen this reeks of an investigation/prosecution pathetically lying their way out of real accusations of complete ineptitude and dishonesty from the day they started the "investigation".
Actually I think I've seen all this before....in France. Inspector Clouseau ring a bell?

 

[acbytesla]

Knowledge that only the police and the perpetrator would have. I guess not all of us are born to be detectives.

Let me get this right. I'd hate to misquote you. You're saying that Amanda had special knowledge of the crime scene because she and the police both knew that Meredith's body was meant to be put inside the wardrobe?

Is this a psychic investigation?

 

[acbytesla]

No shoe was ever recovered that matched the so-called Rudy print.

Wow, you are right about something. But the police did find an empty box who's shoes did match the prints. Correct?

 

[Mike1711]

Let me get this right. I'd hate to misquote you. You're saying that Amanda had special knowledge of the crime scene because she and the police both knew that Meredith's body was meant to be put inside the wardrobe?

Is this a psychic investigation?

Vixen's arguments are time and again shown to be inaccurate and/or ludicrous, but Vixen persists. None so blind......
....but the jokes on us...we persist when we should turn away to things more sane.

 

[acbytesla]

You forgot to include an Italian lawyer named Maria Pia Rizzo.

And Hellman, John Douglas, Dr.Greg Hampikian, Dr.Gill, Steve Moore, Judge Heavey, Donald Trump, US Senator Maria Cantwell, me... (had to slip that in) And of course the final word on the matter, the Italian Supreme Court.

 

[Bill Williams]

Vixen's arguments are time and again shown to be inaccurate and/or ludicrous, but Vixen persists. None so blind......
....but the jokes on us...we persist when we should turn away to things more sane.

I'm currently in the 12-step program dealing with Vixen!