Continuation Part 18: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[acbytesla]

He was obviously warned off. He appeared heavily disguised and incoherent. He was certainly in that vicinity when he said he was.

That's your argument against the fact that Koko's testimony was definitely NOT CREDIBLE?

 

[Vixen]

Vixen, it is fascinating to see the hostile tone of your comments. I remember when you began posting on this forum in April, five months and 2,109 posts ago, and (falsely) stated you have an open mind and don't have a preconceived notion about this case.

I have an open mind. You still haven't given me a plausible alibi for your darlings on the murder night, and why their footprints in blood should have been all over the shop.

 

[Vixen]

Does she really think that all of us are so demented that we are handing out free passes for murder? Why?

Because I live in the same city and I think Amanda is attractive? If I actually thought Amanda killed Meredith, I wouldn't care what happened to her. It's that I see no credible evidence of guilt that I'm on her side. The thought of going to prison for more than 20 years for something she didn't do is my motive.

I've gone over the evidence, there just isn't any. About the only piece of evidence that made me believe that they might have done it was supposedly finding Raffaele's DNA on the bra clasp. But the circumstances of how it was collected and Stefanoni's refusal to present the electronic files along with her results makes that lacking in credibility.

I find the idea of these 3 people of such short acquaintance coming together to murder someone for no real reason to be absurd. But strange things happen. If there was credible proof, I'd have to accept that. Koko's testimony was not credible. There is no electronic trail that links either Amanda or Raffaele to Rudy which in today's world of young people doesn't make ANY sense.

There is NO way that Raffaele's cooking knife was transported back and forth to the cottage. There is no need for it and contrary to recent claims it doesn't match the outline on the sheet.

I find the idea that it was a sex game gone awry also absurd. People have sex to have fun, not for committing vidence. These idiots turn Raffaele into Amanda's sex slave as if he wasn't a smart guy with a mind of his own.

Give me something truthful, credible and incriminating and I'm on your side Vixen. But up until now, I have yet to read anything that meets those qualifications. NOTHING.

You might not be able to contemplate such behaviour, but obviously Amanda, Rudy and Raff thought it a spiffing way to spend a boring evening, sociopaths being easily bored and constantly restless. As Raff said on public domain facebook, he wanted "extreme experiences". This included taking acid and cocaine.

Police identified the cep lodged in Mez' gullet as coming from Raff's punnet in his apartment.

You haven't really explained Kokomani's motive for lying.

 

[Vixen]

You continue to prove your ignorance, even off topic. Manson was present at the LaBianca household -- he told his followers he had to go help them and "show them how to do it" because it was not done correctly the first time. He didn't do any stabbing, but he was there.

Did anyone find any of his DNA? No siree.

 

[LondonJohn]

Ah Vixen! Good evening! How are you getting on giving us the details (times and content) of this veritable avalanche of text messages from Knox to Kercher on the evening of October 31st? By the looks of your evasion only minutes ago, I'd say you're not very close. But you're going to prove me wrong - right?

 

[LondonJohn]

I have an open mind. You still haven't given me a plausible alibi for your darlings on the murder night, and why their footprints in blood should have been all over the shop.

You do not have an open mind. What a farcical statement to have made.

 

[acbytesla]

You'll find that virtually all psychopathic criminals have a background of run-ins with authority figures; parents, teachers, police, and sure enough, it's there in the backgrounds of Amanda, Rudy and Raff, three irresponsible sociopaths taking drugs together and recklessy and cruelly hazing sweet adorable Mez, who only ever wanted to do her history homework and get an early night.

POST HOC, ERGO PROPTER HOC.
Fallacious causal link.

So do a lot of people. Virtually everyone I know have experimented with either drugs or sex or fast cars or alchohol at one time in their life. Some even have issues with authority and not one of them are psychopathic.

Is this REALLY a factor in your thoughts on this case?

 

[Vixen]

Now, that was the big con

Give me one rock solid proof of any innocence and I'll be their biggest champion.

 

[acbytesla]

Give me one rock solid proof of any innocence and I'll be their biggest champion.

What about the presumption of innocence? That's the way it's supposed to work.

 

[LondonJohn]

By the way, this may be a revelation to you Vixen, but did you know you don't have to have an alibi to have a proper defence against a criminal charge? For example, as I've mentioned quite a few times, there was a murder that took place about a mile from where I lived at around 3am a year or two ago, and I was asleep alone at the time. I had no alibi. But here's the thing: I had nothing whatsoever to do with the murder, and the authorities would have had to find compelling evidence of my involvement in the murder to charge me, let alone convict me.

 

[LondonJohn]

Give me one rock solid proof of any innocence and I'll be their biggest champion.

Yep. Further proof - if proof were needed - that you have no idea how this works, either legally or ethically.

Perhaps I can educate you with an example. Suppose I shared a house with three other men, and I left my wallet on the communal kitchen table with £20 in it overnight. Each of the four of us woke up and visited the kitchen separately the following morning, and I was the last to wake. The £20 was missing when I checked the wallet. I decided to accuse one of the three other men on a more-or-less arbitrary basis. I told him: "Give me rock solid proof of your innocence and I'll stop accusing you of being the thief".

See how that can't work? Perhaps you can't see it, I don't know.....?

 

[LondonJohn]

How are you doing on those Halloween evening text messages from Knox to Kercher, Vixen?

 

[acbytesla]

You might not be able to contemplate such behaviour, but obviously Amanda, Rudy and Raff thought it a spiffing way to spend a boring evening, sociopaths being easily bored and constantly restless. As Raff said on public domain facebook, he wanted "extreme experiences". This included taking acid and cocaine.

Police identified the cep lodged in Mez' gullet as coming from Raff's punnet in his apartment.

You haven't really explained Kokomani's motive for lying.

No, not obviously. That's backwards. You start out with them guilty despite the lack of evidence. And the rest of this is pure nonsense. That Raffaele was interested in experiences that are not mundane doesn't mean he was interested in killing people. This is a young guy who really had lived a fairly boring life. Into computers and comic books. I want to try skydiving and kiteboarding. Some might call that "extreme".

You're calling them sociopaths and psychopaths and that might be reasonable if there was overwhelming proof of their involvement. But you do it backwards, you "use" the term as the missing proof in your case. Cart before the horse sweetie.

There are no clinical diagnosis of sociopathic or psychopathic behavior for either Amanda or Raffaele. You just sleazily add that because that's what you do. That seems sociopathic to me. But since I'm not a doctor, I'll refrain from making that diagnosis.

 

[Mr Fied]

I have an open mind. You still haven't given me a plausible alibi for your darlings on the murder night, and why their footprints in blood should have been all over the shop.

Lies

 

[Mr Fied]

You might not be able to contemplate such behaviour, but obviously Amanda, Rudy and Raff thought it a spiffing way to spend a boring evening, sociopaths being easily bored and constantly restless. As Raff said on public domain facebook, he wanted "extreme experiences". This included taking acid and cocaine.

Police identified the cep lodged in Mez' gullet as coming from Raff's punnet in his apartment.

You haven't really explained Kokomani's motive for lying.

Lies

 

[Bill Williams]

It's one thing to tell lies, it is quite another to slow-flood the thread (contrary to ISF's M.A.) with such easily exposed lies. I mean the noise ticket itself has been posted here numerous times - showing right on it that it is the same legal ballpark as a traffic infraction.

The reason why Vixen needs to embellish so is perhaps unknown. Fact the fact of the embellishment is there.
At least this was not slut-shaming. It was implying that all speeders and parking-space freeloaders are budding psychopaths and serial killers in waiting.

Vixen has convinced me!!!

You'll find that virtually all psychopathic criminals have a background of run-ins with authority figures; parents, teachers, police, and sure enough, it's there in the backgrounds of Amanda, Rudy and Raff, three irresponsible sociopaths taking drugs together and recklessy and cruelly hazing sweet adorable Mez, who only ever wanted to do her history homework and get an early night.

The slow-flooding continues, with embellishments.

To add to the list of things Vixen needs to show before embellishing them - when did Amanda, Rudy, and Raffaele ever consume drugs together? Or put another way, when did Amanda, Raffaele, and Rudy ever consume drugs together?

Get back to us on that, but first have a go at the other things you've claimed, but left the proof unaddressed.

 

[Mr Fied]

I am sure we already dealt with the knife issue. When you use forensic testing it's either/or luminol /tmb. The DNA will have come from Mez' blood or body tissue. I quoted a case off the internet, which was similar.

Re the desperate texts from Amanda to Mez, this was already well covered way back. I want to catch up on the Booker shortlist books, but I'll see if I can dig up the reference again.

Re the untraceable numbers on Amanda's phone: the police already know about the voicemail numbers (they are not stupid) so Explanation #Gazillion and One, doesn't cut the mustard. There remains a series of calls before and after the murder untraced, and as reported by Richard Owen of the TIMES.

Lies

 

[acbytesla]

How are you doing on those Halloween evening text messages from Knox to Kercher, Vixen?

Oh, I forgot about that. Yes, yes Vixen. Where are those desperate texts that Amanda supposedly sent on Halliween?

My bet is you chased her away again LJ.

 

[Kauffer]

Give me one rock solid proof of any innocence and I'll be their biggest champion.

Nobody without a rock solid alibi can provide proof of innocence - for example, an appearance on live television at the moment a crime took place. So that's a silly silly thing for you to ask for. There are no proofs of negatives.

But you cannot provide proof of guilt, which would entail, for example, a time stamped example of evidence in Kercher's room - a print in blood or DNA on her corpse - just like Rudy's!

 

[Vixen]

It is clear to me and Locard that there must have been evidence of her in Meredith's room that the ICSI missed. Nothing more than they found in any common area or in Filomena's room but something. They had lived in the same house for over a month and were by all accounts close at the beginning. No hairs or prints or DNA - Locard would need to reevaluate his theory.

As the ISC said - the system so screwed this up we will never know what happened. Maybe they missed Rudi's real accomplices' leave behinds.

There was, there was her hair and the ladies size 37 ASCIS. The big excuse is, "I lived there, hence my DNA.