Continuation Part 13: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Dan O.]

From watching the 1st Crime Scene video,
I found where the keys were most likely hung,
have a look above the date + time:

RW

Thanks for finding that. It's exactly as I expected. The keys are easily accessible when stepping outside but hidden behind the hinged door.

A curious thing though, what is that just below the key case?

 

[AmyStrange]

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If you don’t wish to answer – fine.

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Haven't you ever heard the phrase, "Sure, I believe you," or, "I'm sure that I believe you," before?

I think Desert Fox is right in his last post,

d

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[Strozzi]

. . .

As for Rudy's, "we had a date" story, there was a pic posted upthread not too long ago, showing Meredith's blue jacket on the floor, as it had been originally found, with streaks of blood on the floor leading up to it, as though it had been used to wipe up blood. I thought I saw finger prints on it visually, and then remembered that Rudy's fingerprints IIRC, were found on the "sleeve" of the jacket. (although Diocletus swears its a belt-buckle impression - you have to ask DC) But if the splotches I saw are Rudy's fingerprints that had been found, it suggests he used the jacket to mop up blood. And if so, what possible benefit could that be to "his date" as she was bleeding to death? It shows he wasn't on a date, and was just trying to clean up the crime scene, before giving up.
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Carbonjam, I read you comment about Rudy using Meredith's jacket to wipe up some of her blood on the floor. So you don't think poor Rudy was just being tidy?

 

[Diastole]

Platonov, pretty please...

I'm more interested to know what the guilters think Raffaele is hoping to achieve if he is indeed planning to throw Amanda under the bus. Or has done so already, depending on one's interpretation.

What does Raffaele achieve with this strategy? platonov - any thoughts?

Sollecito probably recognizes the inevitability of the Court of Cassation confirming Knox's sentence. He also realizes that the error in Nencini's motivation, where Sollecito's DNA is wrongly described as having been present on the murder weapon, might provide a very convenient pretext for quashing his murder conviction, particularly if he says nothing to support Knox. I suspect that his case will be sent back to an appeal court with a direction to convict for attempting to cover up the murder. What would you like to bet that the appeal court will eventually sentence him to four years in prison?

Of course, no one in Italy expects the Americans to be crazy enough to actually extradite Knox, or even wants them to, although a request will probably be made. The American refusal will be a "win-win" for Italy's magistrates and politicians. The magistrates will denounce the politicians as weak and corrupt, and the Americans as bullies. The politicians will "regret" the American decision, while denouncing the magistrates as inept and self-serving. Everyone will be happy.

 

[Samson]

Sollecito probably recognizes the inevitability of the Court of Cassation confirming Knox's sentence. He also realizes that the error in Nencini's motivation, where Sollecito's DNA is wrongly described as having been present on the murder weapon, might provide a very convenient pretext for quashing his murder conviction, particularly if he says nothing to support Knox. I suspect that his case will be sent back to an appeal court with a direction to convict for attempting to cover up the murder. What would you like to bet that the appeal court will eventually sentence him to four years in prison?

Of course, no one in Italy expects the Americans to be crazy enough to actually extradite Knox, or even wants them to, although a request will probably be made. The American refusal will be a "win-win" for Italy's magistrates and politicians. The magistrates will denounce the politicians as weak and corrupt, and the Americans as bullies. The politicians will "regret" the American decision, while denouncing the magistrates as inept and self-serving. Everyone will be happy.

This all sounds plausible, except everyone being happy. I hope no one expects the industrious people here to settle for this. Exoneration is a noble cause that may take decades. Meanwhile this remains far worse than any American case, where usually there is not a killer caught red handed.

 

[Dan O.]

You can also see,
from what I can tell,
in the 2nd vid of the 2nd day Crime Scene Video,
that the cops did not damage the downstairs kitchen door lock.

Take a close look. All of the glass has been removed from that door as if to allow someone to climb in through the window before they found the key to open the lock.

Here's Giacomo's bedroom door,

(I gotta wonder why Giacomo's bedroom was the only bedroom apparently locked of the 4 boyz downstairs?)
Heck, Giacomo's bedroom door looks like his girlfriend Meredith's bedroom door upstairs.

Do the police in Italy simply enjoy kicking doors down? What was the rush to get in? I know there was a claim that they thought there might be another victim. But they didn't even think it was appropriate the check if the victim they did find was alive. Why do they need to kick doors down to find another?

If they had just called a lock smith: There are only about a dozen or so different keys to those interior doors. A lock smith would have the complete set on hand and could unlock any of those doors.

 

[Strozzi]

Hiya! . . .

Only the next day, over 24 hours later,
do we get to see inside of their bedrooms, 2 of which have blood in them. Stefano's has blood on the bedspread, with both drops and odd straight lines like from a knife blade, and Giacomo's, (whose door must have been locked, because it was broken into like Meredith's was,) which had wavy bloody lines on the floor...
Link here:
https://mega.co.nz/#!fwo3UbDS!YpT6M0rQJiaKKLy6HjZ8XrfB69YrKpgFCIVGaHckejw


With 2 videographers on the scene,
how did they not film the break-in of Giacomo's bedroom on the 1st day?
Heck, might it already have been broken into when the cops entered the boyz downstairs flat?
Who know? The cops do...

With 2 videographers on the scene,
how did they not film the kitchen that 1st day?
How come we don't get to see the full kitchen upon the cops entrance inside the downstairs flat and kitchen?

When you watch the video of the girlz upstairs flat from the 1st day,
it shows the cops entering into the the flat thru the foyer, and then shows the girlz kitchen+ kick back area.
It shows all of the girls bedroom, esh, Meredith Kercher is still even lying in her bedroom, under the duvet, surrounded by blood.

But the video from the downstairs Crime Scene has been edited out or deleted to not show us what the cops saw when they 1st went in the kitchen there. Or the boyz bedrooms. Why?

There appears to be a shower curtain and rod,
as noted by Cody Juneau, seen here
on the floor that does not belong there.
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1240&pictureid=9582[/qimg]

Some have speculated that this is from the downstairs kitchen door window.
I do not believe so, the fabric is much too long,
and there is waaay too much fabric material for a 2 1/2 foot wide window, right?

And there is no window curtain seen when Officer Zugarini is kicking in the window or reaching inside.
So where did the curtain and rod come from?

When you view the 1st downstairs video,
there is a chair placed facing the bathtub where a shower curtain might have hung, which was possibly pulled down, which possibly suggests that someone might have thought about getting rid of a body that night or the next morning.*

How come there are 2 keys seen on the boyz kitchen table on Nov. 3rd?
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1240&pictureid=9578[/qimg]
Who keys are these 2?
What do they open?

Are these the 2 keys Giacomo gave to Meredith?
Did someone involved in the Crime Scene downstairs toss these 2 keys away outside and the cops found them?

Lastly,
keep in mind that there was no one home for hours after Amanda + [SIZE="-10"]Raffaele[/SIZE] left that afternoon. Who knows what Rudy Guede was up to before he met up with Meredith that night, heck he mentions that he went downstairs before Meredith got home. And who knows what he did after he left her to die before he went out dancing? For that matter, who even knows where Rudy slept that night after leaving the Domus nightclub. Did he sleep downstairs?

I'm just wondering aloud,
L8, RW

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I see at least three glass fragments on the floor in Giacomo's room, beginning at around 18.5 minutes on the second video (taken on Nov 3). Since this bedroom was apparently locked until the police broke in the door, how did the glass get on the floor of a locked bedroom where the window is intact? Were the glass fragments tracked in? Is that called contamination?

I notice that most of the blood rings on the steps outside coming down from the upper level to the lower level seem to be about 5 to 7.5 cm. in diameter. (2 to 3 inches diameter, for us Yanks). Those seem like large drops. Are this size of blood-ring what one might expect to see after evaporation if watery blood drops dripped from a wet pant leg? I would expect water to drip from wet pants accentuated by the jarring motion of walking fairly quickly down concrete steps.

I don't believe the cat disturbed the blood rings as was suggested a long while ago, as the perimeter of the blood rings seem completely intact and undisturbed by any animal's tongue-licking action.

 

[Planigale]

Hi P,

Couple of questions.

The profile of Sollecito could have been deposited from the lab machines, AND, the filthy bra clasp ALSO have picked up contamination from the crime scene. It's not an all-or-nothing proposition, right? What I find significant, is they seem to go looking for the bra clasp, after they've lost the evidence of Raf's sneakers, then they find the bra clasp and make a show of finding it, and voila - it happens to have Raf's DNA on it. Well Excuse Me, but I'm yelling Bull ****.

Second, I dispute that Raf or anyone else could have committed the murder, except Rudy Guede by himself alone. Rudy's footprints in Meredith's blood, with no other footprints in her wet blood, tells me only Rudy was in the room when the blood was wet. His other bio traces, in quantity, including fingerprints in blood, and so on, tell me Rudy and only Rudy killed Meredith. That evidence matters and there's no way around it, imo.

As for Rudy's, "we had a date" story, there was a pic posted upthread not too long ago, showing Meredith's blue jacket on the floor, as it had been originally found, with streaks of blood on the floor leading up to it, as though it had been used to wipe up blood. I thought I saw finger prints on it visually, and then remembered that Rudy's fingerprints IIRC, were found on the "sleeve" of the jacket. (although Diocletus swears its a belt-buckle impression - you have to ask DC) But if the splotches I saw are Rudy's fingerprints that had been found, it suggests he used the jacket to mop up blood. And if so, what possible benefit could that be to "his date" as she was bleeding to death? It shows he wasn't on a date, and was just trying to clean up the crime scene, before giving up.

Lastly, and I hate to ask, what doe "FWIW" stand for? I'm guessing "From What I 'blank' ", but I can't fill in the blank. I've resisted asking anyone before, but you don't seem to mind answering simple questions.

For what its worth.

Yes I do find the behaviour of the forensic scientists rather theatrical. When I watched the video I thought 'they are acting this'. I would not be surprised if someone had popped along, had a look round first, looked under the rug and spotted the bra hook. Then the team were called in to collect it. Of course what it does demonstrate is their utter amateurishness - picking up the critical evidence with gloves, not tweezers, not bagging it immediately, but handing it around, putting to back on the floor and photographing it there - the last in itself effectively perjury. It does raise concerns if they did this in this case what other evidence photos are posed?

 

[codyjuneau]

Here's something very interesting. In the tape of the second day, compare the floor at 18:47:06 (carpet down) against 20:45:26 (carpet pulled up).

How would a damn cat get its blood under the carpet?

And, PS: Somebody check the artwork on Giacomo's wall. I think I see a Picasso poster. Anybody think he might have gone to see a Chagall exhibit, say in May, in Rome?

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Hi Diocletus

I don't know, but I recall seeing this poster on the wall of one of the bedrooms, not sure which one:

http://www.flybibo.it/OnorevoliWanted/onorevoli_wanted.htm

It is published by friends of Beppe Grillo in Milan.

Beppe Grillo is this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beppe_Grillo

Read about him here:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/02/04/beppes-inferno

Cody
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[Samson]

Discussion on PMF of Nara Capazelli's window.
Mathemetician Leilla Schnepps has the appalling effrontery to propose this as a reason to credit Nara, a person who claimed to have heard a scream from a long dead woman with valid testimony months after the murder.

I understand my windows just fine, but I realized when working on the translation of Nencini that I did not have a clear idea of what was meant by many specific window-related terms such as "pane" (let alone sash, casement etc.) In particular I maintained that "pane" refers only to a piece of glass, whereas Sallyoo said it could refer to a whole half of the window that contains glass panes. We had to resort to dictionaries to see who was right, and it turned out that the word "pane" really can be used in the sense she meant. So live and learn

 

[lonepinealex]

Sollecito probably recognizes the inevitability of the Court of Cassation confirming Knox's sentence. He also realizes that the error in Nencini's motivation, where Sollecito's DNA is wrongly described as having been present on the murder weapon, might provide a very convenient pretext for quashing his murder conviction, particularly if he says nothing to support Knox. I suspect that his case will be sent back to an appeal court with a direction to convict for attempting to cover up the murder. What would you like to bet that the appeal court will eventually sentence him to four years in prison?

Of course, no one in Italy expects the Americans to be crazy enough to actually extradite Knox, or even wants them to, although a request will probably be made. The American refusal will be a "win-win" for Italy's magistrates and politicians. The magistrates will denounce the politicians as weak and corrupt, and the Americans as bullies. The politicians will "regret" the American decision, while denouncing the magistrates as inept and self-serving. Everyone will be happy.

Yes, but I want to know what platonov thinks Raffaele was / is hoping to achieve - now and on the 5th November, from a guilter perspective. He seems to be unwilling to reply to my question though.

 

[lonepinealex]

I see at least three glass fragments on the floor in Giacomo's room, beginning at around 18.5 minutes on the second video (taken on Nov 3). Since this bedroom was apparently locked until the police broke in the door, how did the glass get on the floor of a locked bedroom where the window is intact? Were the glass fragments tracked in? Is that called contamination?

I notice that most of the blood rings on the steps outside coming down from the upper level to the lower level seem to be about 5 to 7.5 cm. in diameter. (2 to 3 inches diameter, for us Yanks). Those seem like large drops. Are this size of blood-ring what one might expect to see after evaporation if watery blood drops dripped from a wet pant leg? I would expect water to drip from wet pants accentuated by the jarring motion of walking fairly quickly down concrete steps. I don't believe the cat disturbed the blood rings as was suggested a long while ago, as the perimeter of the blood rings seem completely intact and undisturbed by any animal's tongue-licking action.

Wouldn't there be a gap for the shoe though? I wouldn't expect a perfectly round ring like that.

 

[Magister]

I see at least three glass fragments on the floor in Giacomo's room, beginning at around 18.5 minutes on the second video (taken on Nov 3). Since this bedroom was apparently locked until the police broke in the door, how did the glass get on the floor of a locked bedroom where the window is intact? Were the glass fragments tracked in? Is that called contamination?

I notice that most of the blood rings on the steps outside coming down from the upper level to the lower level seem to be about 5 to 7.5 cm. in diameter. (2 to 3 inches diameter, for us Yanks). Those seem like large drops. Are this size of blood-ring what one might expect to see after evaporation if watery blood drops dripped from a wet pant leg? I would expect water to drip from wet pants accentuated by the jarring motion of walking fairly quickly down concrete steps.

I don't believe the cat disturbed the blood rings as was suggested a long while ago, as the perimeter of the blood rings seem completely intact and undisturbed by any animal's tongue-licking action.

Looking again at those fragments particularly the one by the pair of slippers....
Are they curtain rod hooks.....compare with that above the window.
The material of what might be a curtain on the floor in the living area has a similar pattern to Giacomo's bedspread.
If so then someone other than the police kicked down the door.

 

[Kauffer]

Interesting tidbit on ECHR website today:



Look at that. The Latvian government agreed that the prosecuting authorities had broken the law, and the prosecutor didn't take kindly to that. Looks like the Grand Chamber is now going to show the prosecutor where he can stick his hurt feelings.

Most Member States' judiciaries are fully cogniscent of their obligations under the Convention, work with their governments and we find no schism, despite the separation of powers within States that can lead to what is effectively a mini constitutional crisis as described in this case, in Latvia. Interestingly, it would appear, after the battering that Italy took over the Cat Berro and Dorigo cases, amongst others, that theirs has learned to comply with Italy's Article 46 obligations - that it has gone out of its way to provide itself with the mechanisms to do so and finally understands the constitutional imperative it is under.

It is actually the Italian legislature, arguably, that has been slow to respond in order to provide the judiciary with a fully functional and straightforward compliance regime. Nevertheless, the conduct of the Supreme Court in the Kercher case is somewhat baffling given its demonstrable awareness of its obligations under the Convention, as to date it has endorsed flagrant violations of both Ms Knox and Mr Sollecito's convention rights. Will it do the same on 25th March?

Perhaps the problem is that while the judiciary maybe aware of its obligations in respect of the final judgements of the European Court, it remains largely ignorant of its case law despite the Constitutional Court's interventions from time to time. But it might be different on this occasion with so much riding on its deliberations.

What fascinates me about the ECHR in the present case with the as yet only application in front of it (in respect of the calunnia conviction), is how the Italian Government will play their hand. Will it seek a friendly settlement, try to declare itself in violation (Rule 62A) or let the court proceed to a ruling?

I am convinced that Italy must know it is going to lose and therefore it has an opportunity to choose the least impactful defeat - which is to settle the case and stop the court making a ruling.

Of course, if Cassation confirms on the 25th, the chances would be high that following new applications by both Ms Knox and Mr Sollecito, the ECHR would decide to consider all of the applications generated from the Kercher murder, together.

 

[Strozzi]

Wouldn't there be a gap for the shoe though? I wouldn't expect a perfectly round ring like that.

Suppose the (large) drips that left the 5 to 7.5 cm diameter marks are not drippings from Rudy's snug, leg-hugging, water-soaked denim pant leg. Suppose they are drippings from a garment he is carrying to his side as he descended the outside steps to the downstairs - such as a yellow sweater which is water-soaked and dripping blood-tinged drips.

I don't believe Rudy had a date with Meredith and took off his sweater while her guest. Suppose he was wearing his sweater when he stabbed his victim, got blood on his sweater, and flushed/saturated it in the shower resulting in a water-logged sweater too heavy and drenched to put on.

Could the long, curvy, blood-tinged lines on the floor of one of the bedrooms downstairs be contour-lines from wet spots caused by dropping his water-soaked sweater to the tile floor while he is in the room? Or did the cat leave those long, curvy, blood contour-lines?

 

[Samson]

In this case there are many parallels to the case of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito being wrongly imprisoned. It is worth reading in totality this widely forecast case of a quashing of a wrongful conviction after a false confession.

No dna at the scene is only one of the obvious factors. This kid was young, but the New Zealand "justice" system has destroyed his life.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11411064

I have also posted the link To Amanda's website, in the hope that more people understand what can go wrong.

 

[Strozzi]

Most Member States' judiciaries are fully cogniscent of their obligations under the Convention, work with their governments and we find no schism, despite the separation of powers within States that can lead to what is effectively a mini constitutional crisis as described in this case, in Latvia. Interestingly, it would appear, after the battering that Italy took over the Cat Berro and Dorigo cases, amongst others, that theirs has learned to comply with Italy's Article 46 obligations - that it has gone out of its way to provide itself with the mechanisms to do so and finally understands the constitutional imperative it is under.

It is actually the Italian legislature, arguably, that has been slow to respond in order to provide the judiciary with a fully functional and straightforward compliance regime. Nevertheless, the conduct of the Supreme Court in the Kercher case is somewhat baffling given its demonstrable awareness of its obligations under the Convention, as to date it has endorsed flagrant violations of both Ms Knox and Mr Sollecito's convention rights. Will it do the same on 25th March?

Perhaps the problem is that while the judiciary maybe aware of its obligations in respect of the final judgements of the European Court, it remains largely ignorant of its case law despite the Constitutional Court's interventions from time to time. But it might be different on this occasion with so much riding on its deliberations.

What fascinates me about the ECHR in the present case with the as yet only application in front of it (in respect of the calunnia conviction), is how the Italian Government will play their hand. Will it seek a friendly settlement, try to declare itself in violation (Rule 62A) or let the court proceed to a ruling?

I am convinced that Italy must know it is going to lose and therefore it has an opportunity to choose the least impactful defeat - which is to settle the case and stop the court making a ruling.

Of course, if Cassation confirms on the 25th, the chances would be high that following new applications by both Ms Knox and Mr Sollecito, the ECHR would decide to consider all of the applications generated from the Kercher murder, together.

Knox's appeal of her calunua conviction was filed with the ECHR last year. If she were to add an appeal of a murder conviction to that, would that essentially fast-track the murder conviction appeal or slow-track the calunia appeal?

Could the ECHR rule on Knox's calunia appeal in the next 3 weeks before the Italian high court rules on the Nencini court's murder conviction, thus providing the Italian high court with the first sobering condemnation of police, prosecutor, and judicial misconduct in this case before the high court publicly rules (embarrases itself again?) on the case on March 25?

If the high court overturns the Nencini court's murder convictions and sends the case to a lower court for retrial, and the ECHR rules in Knox's favor on the calunia conviction before that retrial is completed, what happens with the murder retrial possibly already underway? Does that lower court suddenly turn direction mid-trial and declare that Knox and Sollecito were assaulted or threatened with violence by police, improperly interrogated without counsel and (for Knox) not provided an effective + neutral + professional interpreter, improperly denied access to possibly-exculpatory data, improperly punished by lawsuits for calunia for speaking in court, and the victims of police perjury, and more so?

That aside, if Sollecito were to also appeal a murder conviction to the ECHR, would the ECHR look at the murder convictions together as one case filed by two separate sets of lawyers or as two separate appeals?

 

[carbonjam72]

For What It's Worth

grazie

 

[Kauffer]

Knox's appeal of her calunua conviction was filed with the ECHR last year. If she were to add an appeal of a murder conviction to that, would that essentially fast-track the murder conviction appeal? Or would her two appeals be handled as two separate cases, with the ECHR addressing her colunia case first and then, a year or two later, addressing her appeal if the murder appeal.

Could the ECHR rule on Knox's calunia appeal in the next 3 weeks before the Italian high court rules on the Nencini court's murder conviction, thus providing the Italian high court with the first sobering condemnation of police, prosecutor, and judicial misconduct in this case before the high court publicly rules (embarrases itself again?) on the case on March 25?

If the high court overturns the Nencini court's murder convictions and sends the case to a lower court for retrial, and the ECHR rules in Knox's favor on the calunia conviction before that retrial is completed, what happens with the murder retrial possibly already underway?

That aside, if Sollecito were to also appeal a murder conviction to the ECHR, would the ECHR look at them both together or as two separate cases?

Time is too late for the calunnia case to be admitted or heard before the 25th March so nothing will happen before unless of course a friendly settlement or unilateral declaration is made by Italy and it is announced - unlikely, I would think. There is still time, for the court to announce the case for April, but no particular reason to think it would do so. If Ms Knox is eventually acquitted in Italy on the murder charge, the court might not hear the calunnia application probably for up to another two years or so but not at all in the event of a friendly settlement or unilateral declaration, which might come earlier.

If they are found guilty and subsequent applications are forthcoming as we would expect, the ECHR might be minded to hear all the cases together, though it is not bound to do so. All applications are separate, but the rulings might be delivered together or close together to dispose of the whole matter.

Some urgency, you would think would be injected into the proceedings if guilty verdicts are confirmed and Mr Sollecito is imprisoned and Ms Knox the subject of an extradition request, but then we will wait 90 days for a motivation report and there is a further 6 month deadline before new ECHR applications must be submitted. I think Numbers looked at this issue some time ago and the conclusion was that the court would not be in a position to intervene before an application is submitted in order, for example, to stay Mr Sollecito's imprisonment. However, you might expect the court to consider the case very soon thereafter, since if it were to find an Article 6 violation in Mr Sollecito's case and he is actually in prison, then the imprisonment would be wrongful. A process would then be instituted, which would result in Mr Sollecito's release.

Your penultimate question is a real corker. Since Ms Knox's calunnia case and murder case are linked by statements used to convict made without benefit of counsel, some of us concluded some time ago that the murder case could not survive the finding of an Article 6 violation in the calunnia case on this point and we hoped such a ruling would be delivered before 25th March as it might encourage Cassation to take the unusual step of providing an outright acquittal without a retrial. But this hasn't happened. If it happens during a retrial, I know of no reason why it should make any difference to the trial continuing to a conclusion, but it might provide an incentive to the 2nd instance court to acquit. Or if not that court, then later, Cassation. But it would be horribly embarrassing for the Italians.

 

[Wannaknow]

I see at least three glass fragments on the floor in Giacomo's room, beginning at around 18.5 minutes on the second video (taken on Nov 3). Since this bedroom was apparently locked until the police broke in the door, how did the glass get on the floor of a locked bedroom where the window is intact? Were the glass fragments tracked in? Is that called contamination?

I notice that most of the blood rings on the steps outside coming down from the upper level to the lower level seem to be about 5 to 7.5 cm. in diameter. (2 to 3 inches diameter, for us Yanks). Those seem like large drops. Are this size of blood-ring what one might expect to see after evaporation if watery blood drops dripped from a wet pant leg? I would expect water to drip from wet pants accentuated by the jarring motion of walking fairly quickly down concrete steps.

I don't believe the cat disturbed the blood rings as was suggested a long while ago, as the perimeter of the blood rings seem completely intact and undisturbed by any animal's tongue-licking action.

Those "blood rings" couldn't have been caused by a cat and they couldn't have been caused by a human by chance. Some of the rings are nearly circular. So I think they were caused on purpose. Therefore, the rings aren't made of blood; they are markes made by the police, while the blood traces are located inside the rings.

Greetings