Continuation Part 11: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Methos]

Ah, OK, I didn't know that. Thanks for the (all too rare) appearance here. I didn't even know you were following this thread anymore, your crosspost surprised the hell out of me!

I'm still following this thread but I only chime in if I can really contribute...
Btw. I found this tidbit on page 6 quite interesting:

L'odierno imputato Guede, soprannominato "Il Barone", era già stato, infatti, indicato da Stefano Bonassi nel p. v. di s.i. del 4.11.07 (nel quale aveva, tra l'altro, riferito dell'abitudine di Rudi di non scaricare il water dalle feci) e da Temgoua Ndongmo Louis Patrick il 13.11.07.

 

[Kaosium]

I'm still following this thread but I only chime in if I can really contribute...

You definitely contribute!

Btw. I found this tidbit on page 6 quite interesting:

Because of the nickname or Rudy not flushing the toilet? I wasn't aware either were in dispute (or am I missing something...)?

 

[Methos]

You definitely contribute!

Because of the nickname or Rudy not flushing the toilet? I wasn't aware either were in dispute (or am I missing something...)?

Because they had a lead to Guede already on November 4th... given to them by Stefano Bonassi...

 

[tsig]

So are you saying that Amanda Knox did not incriminate herself by stating at her interrogation that she observed - by hearing - a murder/rape and did not report it to the police prior to the interrogation?

Are you saying that Amanda Knox did not incriminate herself by falsely accusing someone of the crime of murder/rape while she was under police interrogation, although in all her earlier interviews with police she never made such an accusation? There was no reason for her to make this false accusation except that the police were pressuring her - coercively - for this specific information she gave. The head of police in Perugia stated that Amanda Knox when interrogated had told the police what they already knew in a press conference held on Nov. 6, 2007.

Your misrepresentations cannot change the historical record.

Well if you can conceive that she might be guilty then she lied to get out of murder, if you cannot conceive she was guilty then you have to search for other reasons. Then comes the vilification for anyone who can even conceive she's guilty.

 

[carbonjam72]

But then I don't understand what we are arguing about!

If Sforzo's account is reliable and accurate, then what we have is the following:

1) The police lifted a usable palm print from the pillow case.

2) They tried to match this print (presumably using computer matching) with the database of palm prints from criminal suspects. There was no match because Guede had no criminal record and thus his prints did not reside in that database.

3) The police then sent the print to Rome to see if it matched any prints on other databases (including the immigration database).

4) The Rome authorities obtained a match with Guede because his palm print was on the immigration database.


And this chain of events would explain the apparent delay in identifying Guede from that palm print on the pillow case. But it also more-or-less confirms that the palm print lifted was usuable for comparative purposes, and it also strongly suggests that a match was made on crease analysis rather than friction ridge analysis. Lastly, it also suggests that the match was made using computer analysis.

So, in this case, it appears that a) the palm print left on the pillow case was capable of being matched, even back in 2007, using crease comparisons; and b) although the police didn't match the print to Guede at first (because his prints were not on the criminal database), they were able eventually to match it to his print on the immigration database.

"They got to Rudy only after a while, when the Perugia police sent to Rome the record cards of possible suspected people. "

Looks like Perugia sent the suspect cards to Rome, Rudy among them, and the Rome police found the match manually, no?

At any rate it means the Peruvians and mignini couldn't suppress a match to Rudy because they weren't in control of the search process in Rome, and couldn't pull Rudy in advance without showing they knew Rudy was on their radar.

 

[Machiavelli]

We've read them, Machiavelli, together. They're in these threads!

If one tracks down the transcripts for that day they reveal that the full quote is something to the effect that the Halloween/All Saint's Day/Day of the Dead (!) weekend was an 'opportunity' that the perpetrators couldn't 'miss'--for whatever reason--to perform their sexual sacrificial 'rite.' Doncha remember the big tussle you got into with someone over the nuances and translation of the word 'rite?'

But is there there the word "rite" in Mignini's words? Because as far as I remember Mignini uses the word "festino" (little party).

 

[Kaosium]

Because they had a lead to Guede already on November 4th... given to them by Stefano Bonassi...

Ah, OK. As I've noted before I suspect there were two parallel investigations occurring, Mignini and his band of dingbats looking for a group-sex/orgy/ritualistic/sacrifical rite/whatever and Marco Chiacchiera solving the crime behind the digbat's back with his little team. Something like that may well have been of value to the latter, the former of course probably thought it an abortive part of their sex ritual or something.

 

[Samson]

Because they had a lead to Guede already on November 4th... given to them by Stefano Bonassi...

Was this in a police interview? If this is the case, it is very strong evidence of a force bereft of talent.
They had broken windows
Knives
Theft of electronic goods
Theft of money
Faeces left in toilet.

and the name Rudy Guede.

More significantly, had they decided on Knox Sollecito (and Lumumba) on the 4th and were blind to alternatives?

 

[Kauffer]

Well if you can conceive that she might be guilty then she lied to get out of murder, if you cannot conceive she was guilty then you have to search for other reasons. Then comes the vilification for anyone who can even conceive she's guilty.

"she lied to get out of murder"?? What she said got her arrested for murder! Why give them Lumumba? Why not give them Guede, obliquely, at any time over the previous three days, since she apparently tried to frame him by cleaning the crime scene? How could giving them Lumumba possibly help her; how can placing herself in the kitchen possibly help her? If she's so calculating, then she says nothing or she gives them Guede.

 

[Methos]

Was this in a police interview?

I think so, katy_did told me that p. v. di s.i. most likely means: "processo verbale di sommarie informazioni" - in other words the record of Stefano Bonassi's interview on the 4th, his witness statement."

 

[Methos]

Ah, OK. As I've noted before I suspect there were two parallel investigations occurring, Mignini and his band of dingbats looking for a group-sex/orgy/ritualistic/sacrifical rite/whatever and Marco Chiacchiera solving the crime behind the digbat's back with his little team. Something like that may well have been of value to the latter, the former of course probably thought it an abortive part of their sex ritual or something.

The "riti" were brought in by judge Micheli (page 61):

KNOX che, pur escludendo qualunque significato della deduzione in punto di peculiare preparazione del delitto o addirittura di ipotetiche aggravanti (un po’ lumeggiate dal P.M., pur non contestandole, nella a dir poco fantasiosa ricostruzione descrittiva di riti, festini di Halloween, pubblicazioni manga ed occasioni da non lasciarsi sfuggire, magari dopo una pantomima di prova generale davanti al malcapitato KOKOMANI), era pur sempre l’unica persona in grado di sapere che quella sera MEREDITH sarebbe stata sola in casa.

 

[Kaosium]

Well if you can conceive that she might be guilty then she lied to get out of murder,

Except that doesn't work. Not only did it not get her out of murder, it got her arrested immediately. It's also not reasonable to assume it ever could 'get her out of the murder.' Accusing someone she would have to know wasn't there to protect the actual perpetrator doesn't make her look innocent!

if you cannot conceive she was guilty then you have to search for other reasons. Then comes the vilification for anyone who can even conceive she's guilty.

It's the ones who cannot conceive of them being innocent who would still be pretending they were actually involved when the perpetrator was captured and convicted and Amanda and Raffaele were acquitted and sent home.

 

[carbonjam72]

Oh, I think Machiavelli recognizes it now. Be prepared for ten pages on the proper translation of the word 'rite' ( a misdirect) whilst completely ignoring the implications of the fact Mignini said that the perpetrators couldn't 'miss' the 'opportunity' of the Halloween/All Saint's Day/Day of the Dead weekend. That's both premeditation and kooky occult nonsense Mignini is pushing there, something he since repudiated and hopes no one else remembers...

The important thing for Mignini was keeping Amanda in the case, because it gave him a high profile case to prosecute, instead of being in the news for his own criminal case at the same time, or the latest of his failing narducci trail sayanic sect cases.

But to really understand how crazy mignini is, he diesnt just refuse to accept evidence that flatly disproves his case, rather he criminally charges anyone who dares contradict him as a conspirator in the original crime and trying to deflect attention away from themselves by misleading the great mignini's investigation.

Madman, narcissist, sadist, becomes angry when others disagree, this is how mignini described Amanda in his closing at masseuse, but really, he is perfectly describing his own sick pychotic pathology.

Mignini could spend 10 lifetimes in prison, and still not have paid for his crimes. He is a piece of work, and can't be put in jail fast enough, that sick P.O.S.

 

[Kaosium]

The "riti" were brought in by judge Micheli (page 61):

Ah, OK, that's from the Micheli Report then. I like the bit about a 'rehearsal' before Kokomani!

 

[Kaosium]

The important thing for Mignini was keeping Amanda in the case, because it gave him a high profile case to prosecute, instead of being in the news for his own criminal case at the same time, or the latest of his failing narducci trail sayanic sect cases.

But to really understand how crazy mignini is, he diesnt just refuse to accept evidence that flatly disproves his case, rather he criminally charges anyone who dares contradict him as a conspirator in the original crime and trying to deflect attention away from themselves by misleading the great mignini's investigation.

Madman, narcissist, sadist, becomes angry when others disagree, this is how mignini described Amanda in his closing at masseuse, but really, he is perfectly describing his own sick pychotic pathology.

Mignini could spend 10 lifetimes in prison, and still not have paid for his crimes. He is a piece of work, and can't be put in jail fast enough, that sick P.O.S.

I agree, that's the way I read him as well. One of those guys that's all refined and cultured most of the time, but if something irritates him then watch out.

 

[Desert Fox]

I never changed my position.
But it seems people still don't understand it.

Then, I beg your pardon but I never engaged in any "comical" explanation. In fact what you may recall is that I simply quoted a disproval if your theory from Vecchiotti's report.

One of the features of good scientific skepticism is a willingness to change your position. I think you stated a very important point here and that you are not willing to change your position based on the evidence.

 

[Bill Williams]

Apparently, Richard Branson of Virgin Atlantic Fame, is sending out pro-Amanda tweets. Peter Quennell already hates him for other reasons, mainly to do with a computer which was damaged in flight or something like that.

The pro-guilt lobby and the hate sites are about to erupt - yet another influential person is seeing this for what it is.

But no matter. The pro-guilt lobby has Alan Dershowitz.

 

[Methos]

Ah, OK, that's from the Micheli Report then. I like the bit about a 'rehearsal' before Kokomani!

Back to the closing arguments, I think it's interesting that PM Mignini doesn't start his closing arguments with the case, he starts it with making the case an "us against them" matter:

Signor Giudice dell'udienza preliminare, la Procura deve trarre le sue conclusioni, a questa udienza, in relazione ad un delitto la cui gravità ed efferatezza è ben testimoniata dallo straordinario interesse che questo tragico episodio ha suscitato, possiamo dire, nel mondo intero.

Si è parlato di "delitto globale”, per alludere ad una vicenda che ha coinvolto emotivamente l'opinione pubblica nazionale ed internazionale, specie, in quest'ultimo caso, in quest'ultimo aggettivo (internazionale), quelle dei paesi di lingua anglosassone a cui apparteneva la vittima, la giovane Kercher Meredith Susana Cara e appartiene l'imputata Amanda Knox.

È una vicenda giudiziaria che si è svolta e continua ad esserlo, sotto i riflettori mediatici di mezzo mondo, con tutti i problemi che questo ha comportato.

Glì organi d'informazione esercitano un'attività fondamentale e imprescindibile in un ordinamento democratico. Debbo dire che, salve alcune eccezioni, gli stessi, sia italiani che stranieri, hanno svolto egregiamente un'attività che deve contemperarsi, e non è affatto facile, con l'opposta e parimenti imprescindibile esigenza della segretezza degli atti d'indagine.

Non si può ignorare, però, che vi sono stati interventi anomali, lesivi, spesso gravemente, dei diritti individuali e, purtroppo, numerose violazioni del segreto investigativo che hanno arrecato non pochi danni alle indagini perché la violazione del precetto di cui all'art. 326 C.P. si porta dietro, come elemento indefettibile, un pregiudizio all'attività d'indagine e, spesso, un danno incalcolabile a chi è stato colpito da un dolore che nessuna statuizione giudiziaria potrà colmare e agli stessi indagati e imputati.

All'udienza preliminare, nel corso dell'escussione del teste Barrow ma anche di quella di Kokomani, è emerso un fenomeno scandaloso, quello del mercimonio avente ad oggetto atti processuali e in particolare audizioni di persone informate sui fatti: di fronte a offerte di denaro per rendere interviste o per partecipare a trasmissioni televisive, vi è chi si è correttamente rifiutato di prestarsi a profferte così vergognose e chi addirittura l'ha sollecitata. Ma dall'altra parte, vi è stato sempre il tentativo di spostare la "gestione" della vicenda su canali extraprocessuali, spesso al fine di demolire il lavoro degli inquirenti e l'accertamento della verità dei fatti.

Non possono tacersi, inoltre, gli attacchi strumentali e inqualificabili che sono stati rivolti agli inquirenti, specialmente agli organi di Polizia giudiziaria e sul servizio di Polizia scientifica della Direzione Centrale Anticrimine della Polizia di Stato, da chi ha approfittato del vincolo assoluto del riserbo che grava sugli inquirenti stessi e dell'opposta, libera possibilità per difensori e CC.TT. delle parti private e "difensori" di supporto delle stesse, di partecipare ad ogni genere di trasmissioni e rendere tutte le interviste e dichiarazioni che abbiano inteso rendere.

Si è tentato di arrivare ad una "cognizzazione", mi si perdoni il neologismo, del delitto di Perugia, per alludere non all'esito giudiziale del procedimento, ma al ''processo mediatico" del delitto del piccolo Samuele.

Spesso, qualche organo d'informazione o qualche "esperto" o "cultore", nazionale o non, che non conosceva una virgola degli atti del procedimento, ignorando disinvoltamente, presuntuosamente e superficialmente (miscela esplosiva !), com'è ormai costume, che le indagini le fanno i Pubblici Ministeri e la Polizia giudiziaria e che vanno rispettate le statuizioni ormai immodificabili dell’Autorittà giudiziaria, ha parlato, a proposito del delitto di Perugia, di un "caso irrisolto" (mi è capitato spesso di sentirlo così definire in televisione), come altri delitti (come ad esempio, quello di Garlasco), cercando di portare "acqua" al mulino di qualcuno degli imputati a discapito di altri.

Tralascio gli anomali interventi dei genitori e parenti dei due imputati, interventi che possono anche comprendersi ma che hanno espresso la più totale ignoranza delle norme processuali e sostanziali e dell'andamento stesso delle indagini.

Ma, certi ambienti e non, spesso d'oltreoceano, non si sono fermati a questo .... la presunzione è una malattia molto diffusa contro cui non esistono cure, purtroppo, quando ad essa si associa, immancabile, la superficialità.

No, sono andati oltre: hanno attaccato in maniera indecorosa, con assoluta carenza di argomenti e con impressionante superficialità il sistema giudiziario di questo Stato, l'unico, ricordo, avente giurisdizione su questa vicenda.

Ma non basta ancora: supportati da qualche noto giallista, totalmente sprovvisto di cultura giuridica specie degli ordinamenti stranieri e terrorizzato da inesistenti provvedimenti di espulsione o di arresto nei sui confronti (che esistono solo nella sua indubbiamente fervida fantasia di scrittore) e sostenitore
fideistico di teorie investigative ormai definitivamente sconfessate a livello giudiziario e calunniose per innocenti, hanno cercato di legare strumentalmente questo delitto di Perugia a vicende criminali efferate e crudeli, quanto inquietanti, inquinate e sordide, accadute non lontano da qui e le ramificazioni locali di tali vicende. Gli stessi si sono letteralmente inventati riferimenti a non ben definite "ipotesi cospirative" per spiegare il coinvolgimento giudiziario della Knox e del Sollecito, accanto al (secondo loro) unico e vero responsabile, il ragazzo di colore, come se per questi personaggi i delitti si dovessero commettere sempre e soltanto da singoli e non esistessero crimini commessi da consorzi criminali (cito, tra tutti, quelli di "Cosa Nostra"), se non in prospettive "di cospirazione", che non ho ancora capito con esattezza cosa significhi e a cosa alluda. 1 riferimenti a queste "teorie" li ho letti in uno strano blog aperto in coincidenza con il due novembre 07. Questo accade quando si pretende di accostarsi alla variegata realtà criminale del nostro tempo con l'ottica deformante degli schemi preconcetti su cui far rientrare per forza la realtà, aprioristicamente "cospirazionisti" o aprioristicamente"anticospirazionisti" poco importa.

Ovviamente, le menti di tale operazione stanno, però, in Italia, non negli Stati Uniti.

Hanno detto, per lo più da 9.000 cliilometri di distanza, meno frequentemente da 5.000, senza conoscere forse nemmeno una parola degli atti del procedimento nè la complessità del linguaggio giuridico italiano : abbiamo capito tutto. Da qui, abbiamo capito tutto: c'è un solo responsabile, il ragazzo di colore, gli altri non c'entrano. Ve lo diciamo noi.

Io sono rimasto scandalizzato e sconcertata da questo atteggiamento. È la prima volta che mi ci sono imbattuto e non credo che mi troverò ancora di fronte a tanta presunzione e superficialità.

Un minimo di esperienza, di prudenza, di accortezza dovrebbe impedire simili giudizi sommari, espressi da 5.000, ma più spesso addirittura da 9.000 chilometri di distanza.

E tutto questo senza spendere una sola parola sul fatto che le ordinanze custodiali siano state confermate in tutti i loro presupposti dal Tribunale del Riesame e dalla Prima Sezione penale della Suprema Corte !

Sorvolo su altri, ancora più gravi, incredibili e reiterati episodi d'interferenza. Mi limito a dire che sarebbero inconcepibili in Italia e non siamo certo un paese perfetto.

Noi italiani, come tutti i popoli di questo mondo, chi più chi meno, abbiamo i nostri difetti. E uno di
essi, secondo me, il maggiore e il più limitante, è l'esterofilia e l'autocommiserazione, gravissimo limite: l'idea che gli altri facciano sempre meglio e che i sistemi degli altri siano migliori e debbano per forza essere imitati. La realtà e l'esperienza di questa vicenda giudiziario - mediatica dovrebbe suggerire invece maggiore realismo e discernimento.

Credo, infatti, che pregi e difetti siano diffusi tra tutti i popoli di questo mondo e che ognuno debba dotarsi dei sistemi, specie giudiziari, conformi alla propria identità e alla propria storia, senza imitare per forza gli altri.

Nessuno, in Italia, si sarebbe permesso di denigrare ed attaccare con tanta impudenza e sfacciataggine gli inquirenti, ad esempio, statunitensi. Da noi c’è lo sport, ormai sempre più in voga, di attaccare comunque e dovunque i magistrati italiani, specie del Pubblico Ministero, ma a nessun giornalista, ad esempio, italiano, a nessun operatore giuridico italiano verrebbe in mente di diffamare e calunniare un Pubblico Ministero americano che stia indagando su un imputato italiano. A nessuno e giustamente. A questi, si, eccome ! E non solo il Pubblico Ministero ma anche il GIP, anche il Tribunale del Riesame e anche i giudici della Corte Suprema che hanno condiviso in pieno tutti i presupposti delle ordinanze di custodia cautelare !

E oggi, su queste ordinanze e sentenze, è calata la pietra tombale (per gli imputati) della definitività ed incontestabilità.

Si potranno condividere o meno, ma nessuno, in Italia e altrove può permettersi di affermare che contro i due imputati Knox e Sollecito (che sono quelli per cui si batte la grancassa mediatica) non vi siano elementi che giustifichino la custodia cautelare e che l'unico che meriti la prigione sia il “cattivo"di turno, il ragazzo di colore che non gode evidentemente di tanti sponsor a livello internazionale.

Si è cercata la rissa...la provocazione, sperando che da essa potesse giungere qualcosa di positivo per la Knox ed il Sollecito e perché si potesse scaricare tutto sul ragazzo di colore alla cui difesa va il merito di un'assoluta correttezza professionale.

Si è cercato di togliere di mezzo, attraverso la calunnia, da questi degni discepoli di Don Basilio, non solo gli uomini e le donne della Squadra Mobile che hanno svolto egregiamente il loro compito, si è cercato, addirittura, di togliere di mezzo in questa, ma soprattutto in altre vicende giudiziarie, il
Pubblico Ministero, ma nessuno si faccia illusioni: nessuno ha abbandonato e abbandonerà mai il suo posto. Sia molto chiaro a tutti, a Perugia e altrove.

Eppure, nonostante la difficoltà, quasi l'impossibilità di lavorare con serenità e tranquillità, nonostante tutti gli ostacoli e le turbative, nonostante le mine vaganti di questo e di altro procedimento che si è voluto legare al primo, sono stati necessari solo otto mesi per concludere le indagini, inviare gli avvisi ex art. 415 bis c.p.p. e richiedere il rinvio a giudizio dei tre imputati e le misure cautelari, come s'è detto, ma va ripetuto, sono state tutte puntualmente e rigorosamente confermate dal Tribunale del Riesame e dalla Suprema Corte, cosa che, troppo spesso, i detrattori, italiani e non, delle indagini, hanno disinvoltamente occultato e passato sotto silenzio.

E come non sottolineare la compostezza e il riserbo che in questi mesi, in questi difficili mesi, hanno invece caratterizzato i familiari della giovane ragazza uccisa (la conferma di uno stile di vita che caratterizzava lei e le sue più strette amiche e che emerso dagli atti): nessuno potrà ridare a loro quella giovane simpatica e amante della vita che noi abbiamo imparato a conoscere dalle foto e dai ricordi dei familiari e delle amiche, quella ragazza che in fondo era amata da pressoché tutti coloro che la conoscevano, che amava profondamente questa città e il panorama, splendido, che poteva ammirarsi da quell'appartamento nel quale era felice di trascorrere la sua esperienza italiana e perugina, in attesa di tornare a Londra per il compleanno della madre a cui Meredith, Mez per gli amici, era tanto affezionata. Da loro, dalla madre, dal padre, dai fratelli non abbiamo visto altro che un dolore incolmabile e l'attesa fiduciosa di giustizia. Non un gesto né una parola inutile, stonata e fuori posto....

È una premessa d'obbligo, a difesa dei miei collaboratori, dell'ufficio a cui appartengo e della vittima di questo efferato delitto.

Oggi, noi siamo davanti a Lei per la stessa vicenda ma in relazione a due istituti processuali diversi tra loro.

Da una parte, c'è il giudizio abbreviato richiesto dall’imputato Rudy Herman Guede, un giudizio che, a prescindere del l'esito degli esami testimonial i svolti, dovrà basarsi sugli atti dell’indagine e nel quale Lei Signor Giudice dell’udienza preliminare dovrà decidere nel merito.

Dall'altra, c'e l'udienza preliminare classica, per gli altri due imputati, che dovrà concludersi con una statuizione meramente processuale, non di merito, concernente la utilità e la necessità del giudizio o
l'inutilità di un giudizio, sulla base, rispettivamente, della presenza o meno di elementi che impongano l'approfondimento e la verifica dibattimentali dell'accusa.

translated:

Mr. preliminary hearing judge, the prosecutor must draw his own conclusions, at this hearing, in relation to a crime whose severity and brutality is well evidenced by the extraordinary interest that this tragic incident has aroused, we can say, in the whole world.

There was talk of "global crime," alluding to a story that has emotionally involved national and international public opinion, especially in the latter case, in the latter adjective (International), those of English-speaking countries in he belonged to the victim, the young Kercher Meredith Susanna Cara and belongs to the defendant Amanda Knox.

It is a court case that took place and continues to be, under the media spotlight over the world, with all the problems that this has involved.

The media exercising a fundamental and indispensable in a democratic order. I must say that, subject to certain exceptions, the same, both Italian and foreign, have played a task that must balance each other very well, and it is not easy, with the opposite and equally essential need for secrecy of investigation reports.

You can not ignore, however, that there were other interventions abnormal, harmful, often severely, individual rights and, unfortunately, numerous violations of the secret investigation, which caused some damage to the investigation because the violation of the precept of art. 326 Č.p. brings with it, as an element unfailing, a bias to the activity of investigation and often incalculable damage to those affected by pain that no judicial ruling will fill and the same suspects and defendants.

At the preliminary hearing, during the questioning of the witness Barrow but also that of Kokomani, there was a scandalous phenomenon, that of commercialization concerning pleadings and in particular questioning of persons informed about the facts: faced with offers of money to make interviews or to participate in television programs, there is one who has correctly refused to lend itself to advances so shameful and who has even solicited. But on the other hand, there has always been an attempt to move the "management" of the story of extraprocessuali channels, often in order to demolish the work of the investigators and the ascertainment of the truth of the facts.

They can not keep silent also instrumental attacks and unspeakable that were addressed to the investigators, especially the organs of the Judicial Police and the service of the Scientific Police of the Central Anti-Crime Police State, who took advantage of the bond's absolute discretion burden on the investigators themselves and the opposite, free opportunity for defenders and CC.TT. private parties and "defenders" of supporting them, to participate in all kinds of transmissions and make all the interviews and statements which they intended to make.

An attempt was made to arrive at a "cognizzazione", if you will pardon the neologism, the murder in Perugia, not to allude to the outcome of the judicial proceedings, but to the'' media trial "of the murder of the boy Samuel.

Often, some media outlet or some "expert" or "lover", national or not, he did not know one iota of procedural documents, ignoring casually, presumptuously and superficially (explosive mixture!), As has become custom, that investigations are performed by the prosecutors and the police and judicial rulings that must be complied with by now unchangeable dell'Autorittà judicial, talked, about the murder in Perugia, a "cold case" (I happened to hear it so often define television), like other crimes (such as, that of Garlasco), trying to bring "water" to the mill of some of the defendants at the expense of others.

I omit the abnormal actions of the parents and relatives of the two defendants, interventions that can also understand but who expressed complete ignorance of procedural rules and substantive and the performance of the same investigation.

However, certain sectors and not, often overseas, have not stopped to this .... the presumption is a widespread disease against which there is no cure, unfortunately, when it is associated with it, inevitable, superficiality.

No, they went further: they attacked in an unseemly, with absolute lack of arguments and impressive superficiality the judicial system of this state, the only one, I remember, having jurisdiction over this matter.

But it is not yet enough supported by some well-known crime writer, who is totally without legal culture species of foreign legal systems and terrorized by nonexistent expulsion or arrest on comparisons (which undoubtedly exist only in his fertile imagination of writer) and supporter
faith-based theories of investigative now definitively repudiated at the judicial level and slanderous for innocent, they tried to tie instrumentally this crime of Perugia heinous and cruel crime stories, as disturbing, polluted and sordid, happened not far from here and the ramifications of such local events . In particular, they are literally invented references to ill-defined "conspiracy theories" to explain the involvement of the judiciary Knox and Sollecito, next to (according to them) and only really in charge of the boy of color, as if these characters for the crimes they should commit always and only by individuals and there were no crimes committed by criminal associations (and I, of all people, those of "Cosa Nostra"), except in perspectives "conspiracy", which I have not yet figured out exactly what it means and what it alludes . 1 References to these "theories" I've read in a strange blog open to coincide with November 2 07. This happens when one attempts to approach the varied criminal reality of our time with the lens distorting the preconceived notions on which to indent to force reality, a priori "conspiracy" or a priori "anticospirazionisti" does not matter.

Obviously, the minds of this operation are, however, in Italy, not in the United States.

They said, mostly from 9,000 cliilometri away, less frequently from 5000, perhaps even without knowing a word of the pleadings nor the complexity of the Italian legal language: we have it all figured out. From here, we have it all figured out: there is only one person in charge, the black guy, the others have nothing to do. We'll tell you.

I am still shocked and appalled by this attitude. This is the first time I came across it and I do not think I will find myself again in front of such presumption and superficiality.

A minimum of experience, prudence, caution should prevent similar summaries, cast by 5000, but more often even from 9,000 miles away.

And all this without spending a single word about the fact that the custodial orders have been confirmed in all their assumptions by the Court of Review and the First Criminal Chamber of the Supreme Court!

Overflight of other, more serious, incredible and repeated episodes of interference. I will just say that would be inconceivable in Italy and we are certainly not a perfect country.

We Italians, like all peoples of this world, some more than others, we have our flaws. And one of
they, in my opinion, the greatest and the most limiting, is the xenophilia and self-pity, very serious limitation: the idea that others do better and that the systems are better and the other must necessarily be imitated. The reality and the experience of this story justice - media should suggest rather more realistic and discernment.

Indeed, I believe that good and bad are widely distributed among all the peoples of this world and that everyone should adopt the systems, especially courts, in conformity with its own identity and its own history, without necessarily imitating others.

No one in Italy, one would have dared to vilify and attack with such impudence and shamelessness to investigators, for example, U.S.. With us there is sport, now more and more in vogue, to attack wherever and however the Italian magistrates, especially the Public Prosecutor, but no journalist, for example, Italian, no operator in the Italian legal system would think to defame and slander an American prosecutor who is investigating an accused Italian. No one and rightly so. To these, yes! And not only the prosecutor but also the GIP, even the Court of Review and the judges of the Supreme Court who have shared in full all the conditions of custody orders!

And today, on these ordinances and judgments, has dropped the tombstone (for the defendants) of the definitive and incontestable.

You can share or not, but no one in Italy and elsewhere can afford to say that the two defendants against Knox and Sollecito (which are those for which one beats the drum media) there is evidence to justify pre-trial detention and that ' only one who deserves prison is the "bad guy", the black guy who does not enjoy obviously many sponsors at the international level.

He searches for the fight ... the provocation, hoping that it could reach something positive for the Knox and Sollecito and why you could download all the colored boy whose defense has the merit of an absolute professional integrity.

We have tried to get rid of, through slander, by these worthy disciples of Don Basilio, not only men and women of the squad that played their role very well, we tried even to get rid of this but especially in other legal proceedings, the
Public Ministry, but no one delude himself: no one has abandoned and never leave his place. Be very clear to everyone, in Perugia and elsewhere.

Yet, despite the difficulty, almost impossible to work with serenity and tranquility, despite all the obstacles and disturbances, despite the loose cannons of this and other legal proceedings that we wanted to tie in the first, it took only eight months to conclude the investigation, send alerts pursuant to Art. 415 bis of the Code of Criminal Procedure and request the trial of the three defendants and precautionary measures, as has been said, but it must be repeated, were all on time and strictly upheld by the Court of Review and the Supreme Court, which, too often, detractors, Italian and not, investigation, have concealed and casually passed over in silence.

And how can we emphasize the composure and restraint in recent months, in these difficult months, have instead characterized the family of the young girl who was killed (the confirmation of a lifestyle that characterized her and her friends and destination that emerged from the documents ): no one will give them that young sympathetic and lover of life that we have come to know from the photos and memories of family members and friends, that girl who was really loved by almost everyone who knew her, he loved deeply this city ​​and landscape, splendid, he could admire from that apartment in which he was happy to spend his Italian experience and Perugia, waiting to return to London for his mother's birthday that Meredith, Mez for friends, was so fond . From them, by his mother, his father and brothers we have not seen more than a pain unbridgeable and confident expectation of justice. Not a gesture or a word useless, out of tune and out of place ....

It is a premise must, in defense of my staff, the office to which I belong, and the victim of this heinous crime.

Today, we are in front of you for the same story but in relation to two institutions procedural different.

On the one hand, there is the summary judgment requested by the accused Rudy Herman Guede, an opinion that, regardless of the outcome of the examinations carried out the testimonial, it must be based on the acts of the investigation and in which you Mr. Judge hearing Preliminary will have to decide on the merits.

On the other hand, there is a preliminary hearing classical, for the other two defendants, which must be completed with a ruling merely procedural, not substantive, concerning the usefulness and necessity of the judgment or
the futility of a judgment, based on, respectively, the presence or absence of elements that require the deepening and testing dibattimentali prosecution.

 

[Samson]

Apparently, Richard Branson of Virgin Atlantic Fame, is sending out pro-Amanda tweets. Peter Quennell already hates him for other reasons, mainly to do with a computer which was damaged in flight or something like that.

The pro-guilt lobby and the hate sites are about to erupt - yet another influential person is seeing this for what it is.

But no matter. The pro-guilt lobby has Alan Dershowitz.

Here they go, this from your great friend, Bill.

I wonder whether he can even read and understand the first page of Nencini's judgment.

Success in selling records and plane rides is not a substitute for years spent studying criminal law, constitutional law, evidence law, criminal procedure, trial advocacy, etc., etc..

And this is the issue. As everyone here knows, murder cases are not solved by lawyers. Lawyers, whether prosecutors or defence attorneys, are not seeking truth, but the best outcome for their clients. While this should be self evident, guilters are blind in this regard, by necessity. They shelter behind "judicial facts" that are not facts, annulments that can delete a de novo trial process in form, but not function, transferred judgements because they are finalised by Cassation, but not by logic and science.

 

[Desert Fox]

Apparently, Richard Branson of Virgin Atlantic Fame, is sending out pro-Amanda tweets. Peter Quennell already hates him for other reasons, mainly to do with a computer which was damaged in flight or something like that.

The pro-guilt lobby and the hate sites are about to erupt - yet another influential person is seeing this for what it is.

But no matter. The pro-guilt lobby has Alan Dershowitz.

Bet you that if involved enough money, he would suddenly come over to her side