conspiracy or joke?

[Piggy]

Would it be "goebbels"-like propaganda to motivate
citizens for a lie?

You might be interested in this book.

Karl Rove, Bush's key advisor, is an amoral man who is infamous for his lies, for planting "whisper campaigns" against opponents to smear their reputations, accusing them of being pedophiles or of fathering illegitimate interracial children, for example. He once planted a fake bug in his own office and blamed it on the opposing party. Cheney's attorney, David Addington, is another amoral thug who values power over all else.

These men are dangerous, and they are undermining the rights of Americans and the security of the world.

 

[Oliver]

These men are dangerous, and they are undermining the rights of Americans and the security of the world.

Thank you for the lecture, but it seems to be a book wich
is not healthy for my heart.

Do you think that the us-media is brainwashing people and
the reports are not independent? A story from faked evidence
would make my whole country upset and the media here would
run a story in such scale for months. Where are u from, Piggy?

Not like the current american media: "BTW: something was
curious about the saddam-evidence, but let´s get back to the
much more important michael jackson trial..."

The dangerous part is the unawareness of the masses...

GoogleSearch: "us media independence brainwash"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=us+media+independence+brainwash&btnG=Google+Search

 

[Piggy]

Do you think that the us-media is brainwashing people and the reports are not independent? A story from faked evidence
would make my whole country upset and the media here would
run a story in such scale for months. Where are u from, Piggy?

I'm from the US Southeast. Deep South.

No, I don't think there's any brainwashing going on. There's a lot of bad reporting, a lot of selfish editorial decisions, a lot of misinformation being fed to the media. But also some excellent reporting.

Most of the reporting is independent, but not all. Fox News, for example, had a system whereby the daily angles were fed to key players in the system. Daily memoranda would direct news teams to, for example, play up certain anti-Kerry stories and other pro-Bush stories. They have erased the line between opinion and news, and their most popular talking heads, such as Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilley, lie repeatedly and unapologetically.

I was very disappointed in NBC (one of the 4 big US networks) during the constitutional voting in Iraq. The insurgents called a cease-fire, which was widely reported in the international press and some US media such as NPR (National Public Radio). NBC reported the story entirely from inside the Green Zone, parrotting the military's claim that the low incidence of violence during the vote was due to increased US military patrols, with no mention whatsoever of the cease-fire.

 

[Oliver]

I'm from the US Southeast. Deep South.

No, I don't think there's any brainwashing going on. There's a lot of bad reporting, a lot of selfish editorial decisions, a lot of misinformation being fed to the media. But also some excellent reporting.

Most of the reporting is independent, but not all. Fox News, for example, had a system whereby the daily angles were fed to key players in the system. Daily memoranda would direct news teams to, for example, play up certain anti-Kerry stories and other pro-Bush stories. They have erased the line between opinion and news, and their most popular talking heads, such as Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilley, lie repeatedly and unapologetically.

I was very disappointed in NBC (one of the 4 big US networks) during the constitutional voting in Iraq. The insurgents called a cease-fire, which was widely reported in the international press and some US media such as NPR (National Public Radio). NBC reported the story entirely from inside the Green Zone, parrotting the military's claim that the low incidence of violence during the vote was due to increased US military patrols, with no mention whatsoever of the cease-fire.

I heard about the memoranda-procedure within Fox, but i also heard
about a general trend like this and other examples like the one about
the voting in iraq. Yesterday i stumbled over a docu called "outfoxed",
but since i learned that the americans have such a "free speech", i can
only hardly differ between true and false reports in documents and media.
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428&q=outfoxed
Maybe you know the video and can clear up some things said?

 

[joemailman]

Clear up what things said?

 

[Oliver]

Clear up what things said?

Election 2004 Drama, pro iraq reports, pro democrats reports,
missquoting polls and so on...

 

[Piggy]

I heard about the memoranda-procedure within Fox, but i also heard
about a general trend like this and other examples like the one about
the voting in iraq. Yesterday i stumbled over a docu called "outfoxed",
but since i learned that the americans have such a "free speech", i can
only hardly differ between true and false reports in documents and media.
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428&q=outfoxed
Maybe you know the video and can clear up some things said?

I'm familiar w/ it, but there's a lot that's said. Would have to respond to very particular references. Sorry.

Btw, it cuts both ways. Liberal media orgs like MoveOn can be just as distortional.

 

[Oliver]

I'm familiar w/ it, but there's a lot that's said. Would have to respond to very particular references. Sorry.

Btw, it cuts both ways. Liberal media orgs like MoveOn can be just as distortional.

Particular references are that election drama when FOX
told Bush was the winner and everyone adopt that - or
the overall type of reporting about the war in iraq or
guantananmo, torturing...

 

[Piggy]

Particular references are that election drama when FOX
told Bush was the winner and everyone adopt that - or
the overall type of reporting about the war in iraq or
guantananmo, torturing...

Can't answer for the latter b/c it's a very broad subject. As for the former, the Outfoxed story is accurate. Fox reported Florida for Bush prematurely, the others followed suit, Fox later apologized for the error. However, the die had been cast. With the major news outlets having reported Bush as the winner, what played out was not -- as it should have been -- an attempt to decide who had won, but rather a Gore challenge of a Bush victory.

 

[gumboot]

BTW: Are captured "enemies" really POWS - if the
war in iraq is an illusion of some idiots
in the defence department?

Um... I think you'll find the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are both very real. And yes, captured enemy combatants are POWs.

Are people right who claim that americas current
Gov are war criminals for invading iraq because
selfmade, faked evidence?

No. They are wrong. A war criminal is someone who commits a war crime. Propaganda, fake pretexts for war, etc. are not war crimes.

-Andrew

 

[joemailman]

Andrew, I believe you're wrong. Going to war without provocation is criminal just as it is on an individual basis. Assault without self-defense is a crime in any nation. A. hitler attacked Poland without provocation and it can safely be said that were he found alive in '45 he would have stood trial as a war criminal and one of the many charges would have been the instigation of war. Everyone who honestly thinks their government officials are above corruption and greed are only ignorant and not to be held responsible for their ignorance. This is the main reason why those responsible for the WTC disaster and those responsible for the Iraq war will probably live out their lives in comfort. History will prove them war criminals and will probably document it as such.