Conservatives move closer still to Labour

brodski said:
I don’t see how this is a "clause 4" moment, surely it’s a return to Tory values. After all, Thatcher closed more grammar schools than any other Education Secretary.
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I think Cameron must be reading your posts - heard him mention in a TV interview tonight the record of the last 18 years of Tory government on grammar schools e.g. never even created one new one.
 
Darat said:
Economics - ERM strike a cord? Falkland islands - as far as I know it was the armed services that fought that!
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Yes. Of course.
See: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27572
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Yaddah, yaddah. Kindly show me which rule my discussion with Architect broached. Kindly show me how a degression from the OP into Thatcher territory does not broach the same or another rule. Thanks.
Can I just ask before I bother responding to any more of your posts are you drunk?
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Indeed you may so ask. Please tell me how I can properly answer your question. I don't have a blood test available, for example. :)
 
DanishDynamite said:
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The fact that elections must be called no later than 2009. Any speculation that they are called earlier is just that.


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Wrong - the last General Election was in 2005, therefore there is no requirement for another election until May 2010.
 
Darat said:
I think Cameron must be reading your posts - heard him mention in a TV interview tonight the record of the last 18 years of Tory government on grammar schools e.g. never even created one new one.
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have you ever seen me and David Cameron in the same room together.

Damn, I've said too much... :boggled:
 
DanishDynamite said:
Yes. Of course.
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So you think her decision to enter the ERM was good for the UK economy?

DanishDynamite said:
Yaddah, yaddah. Kindly show me which rule my discussion with Architect broached. Kindly show me how a degression from the OP into Thatcher territory does not broach the same or another rule. Thanks.
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Go to Forum Management if you want to discuss a Moderation issue.


DanishDynamite said:
Indeed you may so ask. Please tell me how I can properly answer your question. I don't have a blood test available, for example. :)
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I'll just assume a yes then and ignore your drunken postings.
 
Darat said:
What a load of nonsense - I'm sure it has already been mentioned in this thread that we do not have fixed term periods for the House of Commons.
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Yes you do. General elections must be held at least every X number of years.
It is pure speculation it will occur in 2 years.
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It is pure speculation that it wont.
 
DanishDynamite said:
Yes you do. General elections must be held at least every X number of years.
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In UK political English that is a term limit, not a fixed term. The devolved bodies have fixed terms, as do local authorities, the Commons does not- it has term limits.

Very few parliaments last the full five years, it may be speculation that an election will occur before 2010, but it is speculation based on a understanding of the traditions of UK elections, it's not just a wild guess.
 
brodski said:
Please support this "fact".
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From your statement:" The Tories are beginning to position themselves for 2009." And from the, possibly wrong, idea that the UK was a democracy.

Are you saying that a government (administration) voted into power does not have a minimum number of years before it is mandated to call for general elections????
 
Darat said:
Wrong - the last General Election was in 2005, therefore there is no requirement for another election until May 2010.
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Sorry, I thought brodski knew what he was talking about. 2010, then.

I must say I'm glad to know that there is a minimum numbers of years before a general election must be called. I was worried there for a moment. :)
 
DanishDynamite said:
Are you saying that a government (administration) voted into power does not have a minimum number of years before it is mandated to call for general elections????
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Correct. It has a maximum term, but can call an election whenever it likes between the election and the mandatory end of its term.
 
brodski said:
In UK political English that is a term limit, not a fixed term. The devolved bodies have fixed terms, as do local authorities, the Commons does not- it has term limits.

Very few parliaments last the full five years, it may be speculation that an election will occur before 2010, but it is speculation based on a understanding of the traditions of UK elections, it's not just a wild guess.
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OK. You feel your speculation has basis in statistics of previous history.

I still call it speculation as IT IS a fact that elections MUST be called no latter than in 2010.
 
Ian Osborne said:
Correct. It has a maximum term, but can call an election whenever it likes between the election and the mandatory end of its term.
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Of which I'm perfectly aware. Given your responses though, I was for a moment thinking this was not the case in the UK.

Thanks for explaining that things are in fact the way I thought.
 
Why, I see our little infanticide-supporting friend is weaving his rather haphazard way through the abysmal logic that is the UK political system now. Joy.
 
Architect said:
Why, I see our little infanticide-supporting friend is weaving his rather haphazard way through the abysmal logic that is the UK political system now. Joy.
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:D

You are my wonderful sidekick, Architect. Keep on keeping on. :)
 
DanishDynamite said:
From your statement:" The Tories are beginning to position themselves for 2009."
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Beceause I (and many political commentators) believe that is when an election is likely to take place.
It appears that Tory central office is also working under this assumption. regardless of when the election is actually held, they still seem to be position themselves for 2009.

And from the, possibly wrong, idea that the UK was a democracy.

Are you saying that a government (administration) voted into power does not have a minimum number of years before it is mandated to call for general elections????
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have you been following this thread, I have clearly stated that terms ate limited to (but not fixed at) 5 years, unless an act of parliament extends the term.

ETA did I read your minimum as maximum was that correct? To answer the other guestion you may have asked, no there is no minimum term, in fact in 1997 one political party stood on a platform which consisted of them promising to implement one policy, very quickly, and the immediately calling another general election. this would have been perfectly legal.
Also, In 1974 we had two general elections (one in February, one in October)- I cant think of a shorter lived UK government off the top of my head, but there may have been one.
 
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