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Conservative Wins Mexico Election

RandFan

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Oh damn, not again. Shades of Bush V Gore?

MEXICO CITY — The ruling party's Felipe Calderon won the official count in Mexico's disputed presidential race Thursday, a come-from-behind victory for the stiff technocrat. But his leftist rival refused to concede and said he'd fight the results in court.
Calderon, a conservative who preached free-market values and financial stability during the campaign, was already reaching out to other parties to build a "unity government." His opponent, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, blamed fraud for his narrow loss in the vote count and called on his supporters to fill Mexico City's main square Saturday in a show of force.
With all of the 41 million votes counted, Calderon of President Vicente Fox's National Action Party had 35.88 percent to 35.31 percent for Lopez Obrador, of the Democratic Revolution Party. The two were separated by about 220,000 votes.
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So since he's conservative, does that mean he'll try to stop his citizens from illegally entering the US, or is that a bi-lateral sort of unwritten Mexican government policy?
 
Phrost said:
So since he's conservative, does that mean he'll try to stop his citizens from illegally entering the US, or is that a bi-lateral sort of unwritten Mexican government policy?
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Most fairly free countries are not too worried about thier citersens leaveing unless it is the educated ones.
 
People leaving is one thing. An illegal mass migration is something else entirely.
 
I guess where I'm going with this (and the point I seem to be failing to get across with the drive-by posting style I've been limited to lately) is whether or not this will change Mexico's passive (and possibly even active) support of flooding our borders with their poor.

Sorry, I'm a much better member when I have the time to actually post.
 
Ryokan said:
And what law would you enact to keep people from leaving your country?
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Didn't some Eastern Europe countries try that? If I recall correctly, Americans were against it.

"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" RR, June 12, 1987.
 
Bjorn said:
Didn't some Eastern Europe countries try that? If I recall correctly, Americans were against it.

"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" RR, June 12, 1987.
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As far as I know there are no Americans asking for Mexico to enact such a law. Pretty damning of Mexico that they should be lumped in with the DDR.
 
RandFan said:
As far as I know there are no Americans asking for Mexico to enact such a law.
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To quote Phrost:

So since he's conservative, does that mean he'll try to stop his citizens from illegally entering the US, or is that a bi-lateral sort of unwritten Mexican government policy?
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Bjorn said:
To quote Phrost:
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My appologies. As far as I know there are no American leaders asking for Mexico to enact such a law. Pretty damning of Mexico that they should be lumped in with the DDR.

ETA: To be fair to Phrost, is he asking for Mexico to enact such a law?

It's still damning of Mexico BTW.
 
Phrost said:
So since he's conservative, does that mean he'll try to stop his citizens from illegally entering the US, or is that a bi-lateral sort of unwritten Mexican government policy?
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For the past six years, Mexico's government has been conservative. Radical changes in foreign and immigration policies are highly unlikely. Also, the house of representatives, senate and country in general are polarized about 35%-35%-30% between the right, left, and center, respectively.
 
empeake said:
For the past six years, Mexico's government has been conservative. Radical changes in foreign and immigration policies are highly unlikely. Also, the house of representatives, senate and country in general are polarized about 35%-35%-30% between the right, left, and center, respectively.
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Mexico's problems are not about anything as simple left v. right politics. The problems are deeply entrenched and systemic. Mexico's corrupt economic and political system (which stifles entrepreneurship) is fortunate that the disenfranchised can seek opportunities north. Sadly this ensures that there are unlikely to be any radical changes no matter who wins any election.

The sad truth is that the average citizen of Mexico could have a good standard of living if the short sighted thugs would think nationally and not care only about their own interests. Hell, the thugs could do very well.
 
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Ryokan said:
And what law would you enact to keep people from leaving your country?
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Not the issue at all. The Fox administration has actively supported massive illegal movement of Mexicans to the USA. About 10%, yes ten percent, of Mexicans live illegally in the USA. Further, the second largest source of income to Mexico foreign labor.

So the issue is not what law the new administration might enact but what actions the new administration might take to change Mexican policy wrt illegal immigration.
 
The point which I believe that RandFan is trying to make, albeit poorly, is that the Berlin wall was to prevent illegal emigration, not immigration. Kinda like the difference between building a fence to keep the neighbors out, versus building a fence to keep slaves in.

geni said:
Most fairly free countries are not too worried about thier citersens leaveing unless it is the educated ones.
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I heard British people add r's to their words orally, but is it common for them to add r's in their written words?
 
If the new Mexican government wants to do something about the Mexicans crossing the border to the US, wouldn't it be to prevent illegal emigration?
 
Art Vandelay said:
The point which I believe that RandFan is trying to make, albeit poorly...
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First off, I was making two points and, no, that wasn't one of them.

1.) No American leaders are calling for Mexico to behave like some Eastern Europe countries and attempt to block it's citizens from leaving.

2.) It is damning to Mexico that such a comparison should even be made.

Are you clear? Now, I'm not sure how you failed to grasp those two fairly simply points but could I ask you to do me a favor? Don't try and speak for me, ok? I won't insult you while flubbing your views if you don't do it to me. That's a fair request, don't ya think?
 
Bjorn said:
If the new Mexican government wants to do something about the Mexicans crossing the border to the US, wouldn't it be to prevent illegal emigration?
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If we follow your logic and Mexico was to respond as the Eastern Europe countries did, wouldn't the first step be to make all immigration illegal?

Art isn't without a point. If America did want Mexico to assist with illegal immigration then it would only be illegal immigration while still allowing legal immigration.

So your analogy really isn't apt. And Art is right even if it wasn't my point.
 
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