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Split Thread Conservative Voices (Split from Muller Investigation)

kellyb said:
The democratic party establishment is very much not all about "socialism". But over half of the voter base, the people who read The Nation and Mother Jones, etc are into stuff like single-payer and tuition free college.

The democratic establishment likes to pretend to be on board with all that stuff, too, but they have a pretty terrible recent track record when it comes to fighting for policies the base supports.

What is "the progressive" globalist voice"??? I have no idea what you mean by that.
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Globalists and progressives seem to have some similar agendas to me. One being open borders. Some progressives also seem to support socialism.
 
Conservatives in the media are so mentally geared towards authoritarianism that they can't imagine that the debates around pro-choice, equal pay, MeToo, immigration and healthcare are not centrally directed in some way by Democrats/Soros/the global Atheist Conspiracy.
 
The Shrike said:
I don't know what right and left mean anymore. Should these terms not be understood as a gradient of acceptance to societal change?

A. I'm downright radical about some things. For example, I'm quite interested in ecological sustainability. Related to this, I'd like to see a complete redesign of energy capture and delivery. I'd like to explore different models of food production and dietary incentives to change human behaviors. I'd prefer a steady state economy in which growth is de-emphasized and stability is rewarded.

B. On other issues I'm no more left-leaning than your average Roosevelt: The United States should be a preeminent military superpower, but we should also invest in protecting things solely for their cultural or aesthetic value, and we thrive as a people when our social safety nets provide comfort and dignity to the poor and suffering.

C. I'm a fan of balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility. I'm a fan of the US Constitution. I am a strong supporter of freedom of speech, a free press, separation of Church and State, the well-regulated right to bear arms, the checks and balances of the three branches of gov't. These things should be right-leaning qualities, no? And yet . . .
*it was Clinton who last delivered a government budget surplus
*Obama's 1st term was consumed with digging out from the hole Bush left him
*I'm a "liberal" for supporting NFL players' right to peaceful protest
*I'm a "liberal" for defending the press against attacks from the White House
*I'm a "liberal" for striving to keep religion out of our government
*I'm a "liberal" for my common sense interpretation of the 2nd Amendment
*I'm a "liberal" for expressing my concern that a foreign enemy has interfered with our most recent Presidential election, probably resulting in a compromised crime boss taking the reins of this nation, and that this man on a near daily basis craps all over said Constitution.

So, there is evidence to label me a leftist in A. That evidence is pretty shaky in B. The evidence in C should label me a conservative. If it doesn't that's not me moving left, that's some elements of society deciding that things that used to be right are now left.
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We're in near agreement with a couple of exceptions. The libertarian in me always wants to understand that because I know what is right for me, doesn't mean I know what is right for everyone. That's an important distinction from some positions.

I'm also crossing over into left territory on a few issues.
 
uke2se said:
Saying that the Democratic party has moved to the left is frankly ludicrous. Obama was a centrist at best. A new crop of young candidates seem determined to actually move it further left, but even if they were successful, they would simply make the party the equivalent of a center-left European party.
As for Ben Shapiro and his cronies, Mumbles said it best. They're in it for the ad-revenue, grifting gullible right wingers.
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And they're still not quite as far to the left as the Democtaric Party was in the FDR era.
 
River said:
Globalists and progressives seem to have some similar agendas to me. One being open borders. Some progressives also seem to support socialism.
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What is a "globalist"?

Very, very few progressives want open borders.

The "socialism" we progressives support is just stuff like UHC, tuition free college, and a strengthened safety net. Almost all of us advocate a mixed economy. That's standard, modern "socialism" now for the most part.
 
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River said:
I personally consider myself to be a conservative libertarian. I tend to lean mostly right on issues, but not far of center. I found it amusing that social media platforms considered me to be a political moderate due to my postings.
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My views are likely somewhere in your vicinity. I started as a Stossel fan! (I just can't disagree with the guy)
I didn't vote for Trump but was not disappointed when he won. I saw many advantages to it...still do. I can't discuss them here though without loads of name calling with the requisite -ists and -isms and sanctimonious chastising.

My CA-39 congressional and CA governor votes will go Republican this year though I am registered 'no preferred party'.

As for the first question... it's really really hard to get news that is unspun. I have to read both sides to find what important details are left out in the reporting. It's always something! No one in msm gives it straight. It's very emotionally targeted with complex issues crunched irresponsibly into 5-10 minute segments like a fast food burrito you eat on the run.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Conservatives in the media are so mentally geared towards authoritarianism that they can't imagine that the debates around pro-choice, equal pay, MeToo, immigration and healthcare are not centrally directed in some way by Democrats/Soros/the global Atheist Conspiracy.
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Did you ever see this, back when Occupy Wall Street was happening, and Andrew Breitbat hacked Matt Taibbi's emails where he and a few of his journalist friends and some economists were just talking about it?

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...-freaking-out-about-occupy-wall-street-69267/
Here Rush paused before making his Sherlock Holmesian deduction from these facts:

This whole thing is a construct of the media-Democrat complex, industrial complex…

I nearly fell over laughing when I heard this. What the **** is the Media-Democrat-Industrial Complex? Has Rush been reading Noam Chomsky books on the side? Calling any group that includes me and Glenn Greenwald an “industrial complex” is extremely high-concept comedy. We should have t-shirts made…
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kellyb said:
What is "the progressive" globalist voice"??? I have no idea what you mean by that.
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To the extent that there is one ... good, I guess. I imagine any speech Obama has given would qualify as such.

It's possible "The Economist" has become such a voice.

Maybe it's the new phrase for "international bankers."
 
Minoosh said:
To the extent that there is one ... good, I guess. I imagine any speech Obama has given would qualify as such.

It's possible "The Economist" has become such a voice.

Maybe it's the new phrase for "international bankers."
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I know Alex Jones loves the word. I think he mostly means George Soros and people/organizations who've taken money from him. Also, Hillary Clinton.

This is a serious website about "rethinking globalization", and they define it the word this way:
https://www.theglobalist.com/about-us/
Who is a Globalist?
Anyone with a curiosity to learn about the world around himself or herself is a globalist.

Globalists have an innate curiosity and therefore the ability to keep an open mind. They want to sort out the changes being wrought every day and shape them in a direction that is fair and equitable for all of humankind.

Globalists are thus by no means an elite circle of business or political leaders determined to push forward their agenda in a rapid-fire fashion.
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I'm pretty sure having opinions about stuff like trade deals and ensuring imported products aren't being manufactured with child labor counts under that definition. So, I think anyone who pays attention to geopolitics can qualify, but I don't think that's what River meant.
 
River said:
I suspected this may be a silly exercise in civility, but I'm curious what many here seem to think of other "conservative" voices out there. Examples like Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens, Larry Elder, Ben Carson, Clarance Thomas, Rand Paul, Trey Gowdy, Condoleezza Rice? This forum seems to be very left leaning. I remember it being more about critical thinking in the past.
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Really the only prominent "voices" there are Shapiro and Elder. Shapiro is the columnist/speechifier, while Elder is the columnist/radio guy. I hear Elder's radio show quite often on the way home from my moonlighting job. Solid guy, solid takes. Not real familiar with Shapiro, but I know he was considered the young hotshot at Townhall about 12 years ago.

Columnists that I like to read include Jonah Goldberg, Michelle Malkin, Mark Steyn, Robert Samuelson, Tim Worstall and quite a few others. Don't listen to the Yakkers as much as I used to, but still find Rush and Medved interesting and entertaining.

Yeah, the politics around here is somewhere between European Left and Upper East Side Left.
 
carlitos said:
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I think that Condaleezza Rice is amazing, but I've only ever heard her speak once at length....
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Yeah..no. If only she hadn't dismissed that PDB as 'historical' or whatever it was she called it, while the whole bunch of them ignored anything Clinton to the point of ignoring the bin Laden threat before that infamous September. Yeah, she did that.

:mad::mad::mad:
 
River said:
I suspected this may be a silly exercise in civility, but I'm curious what many here seem to think of other "conservative" voices out there. Examples like Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens, Larry Elder, Ben Carson, Clarance Thomas, Rand Paul, Trey Gowdy, Condoleezza Rice? This forum seems to be very left leaning.
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Asleep at the wheel Carson, Benghazi forever Gowdy, pubic hairs in his coke Thomas, and what PDB Rice, oh yeah, great examples. :rolleyes:


River said:
I remember it being more about critical thinking in the past.
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I wish there were critical thinking conservatives on the forum. If they are here they are few and far between.
 
Sherkeu said:
I didn't vote for Trump but was not disappointed when he won. I saw many advantages to it...still do. I can't discuss them here though without loads of name calling with the requisite -ists and -isms and sanctimonious chastising.
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"Forces of intolerance remain determined to undermine and roll back the progress you all have made. This time they have an ally in the White House. Virulent people – some of them the dregs of society."
-- Joe Biden (Sept 16, 2018)


Accomplished without using a single -ist or -ism.
 
Brainster said:
Don't listen to the Yakkers as much as I used to, but still find Rush and Medved interesting and entertaining.
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On first read I thought this said "Yankees." Damn Yankees! The DH is downright un-American, IMO.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
"Forces of intolerance remain determined to undermine and roll back the progress you all have made. This time they have an ally in the White House. Virulent people – some of them the dregs of society."
-- Joe Biden (Sept 16, 2018)

Accomplished without using a single -ist or -ism.
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And in this case, without your making a single claim of your own.

Bravo, I guess.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Asleep at the wheel Carson, Benghazi forever Gowdy, pubic hairs in his coke Thomas, and what PDB Rice, oh yeah, great examples. :rolleyes:
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Purpose-driven boner? This is honestly what I come up with. I'm sure I'll "get it" any minute now.
 
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Minoosh said:
Purpose-driven boner? This is honestly what I come up with. I'm sure I'll "get it" any minute now.
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Presidential Daily Brief: "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US"
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and General Richard Myers have claimed that contrary to repeated statements,[6] the CIA's PDB did not warn the President of a specific new threat but "contained historical information based on old reporting".[7]
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Bush and Rice both ignored the threat as well as intelligence that there was a plan to use planes as bombs.
 
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