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Consciousness question

You'll have to look harder for a reason to admire him.

Well, one thing is to admire his reactions, and another very different to admire him ;)

I understand your point. But what if he is unable to understand, and this is why he posts irrelevant answers and questions all the time? I used to think that he was teasing us. Now Im not so sure.

Is he still guilty if he simply lacks the brains to understand?
 
But what if he is unable to understand, and this is why he posts irrelevant answers and questions all the time? I used to think that he was teasing us. Now Im not so sure.
He seems perfectly capable of understanding when, on threads on his own forum, he posted his homophobic rants against gay marriage. He can stay on-topic there, where he is not so outnumbered by people who challenge his illogic and counterfactual claims; his irrelevant responses here are easily interpreted as a defensive ploy, a means of abandoning a sinking ship. It is impossible to know if that is "the" explanation, but it is a tossup as to whether to insult his intelligence or his motives.
Is he still guilty if he simply lacks the brains to understand?
I don't know which interpretation is more insulting; anyway, we cannot diagnose him from a distance. All we can do is point out mistakes in logic or evidence for the people who *will* listen.
 
You'll have to look harder for a reason to admire him.
Whether we admire or don't admire Iachus do we have a choice? Expressing human emotion such as admiration or the antithesis of admiration be it contempt or something else while arguing a materialist POV or something akin to it is interesting. It's along the lines of trying to convince someone that we have no free will. As if they have a choice one way or the other.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not comming to Iacchus' defense nor am I trying to make an argument I just find it interesting.

I've always wondered why we as humans care about what others believe especially if our POV is that the notion of self is just an illusion which I certainly think is a rational position supported by evidence and logic.

Carry on.
 
I've always wondered why we as humans care about what others believe especially if our POV is that the notion of self is just an illusion which I certainly think is a rational position supported by evidence and logic.
Rubbish!
 
All we can do is point out mistakes in logic or evidence for the people who *will* listen.

Thats very right! He might appear like saying something interesting for undeducated individuals who are (for the first time) approaching to this topics. Of course, most of them will immediately realize that Iacchus have nothing of importance to say, and that his "arguments" are not based in logic at all, but in what he wants to believe is "true" at any cost.
 
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I've always wondered why we as humans care about what others believe especially if our POV is that the notion of self is just an illusion which I certainly think is a rational position supported by evidence and logic.
Or, to put it more politely, without the experience of "self," how is it possible to experience the sense of "no self?" Otherwise, what exactly is there to falsify?

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Or, to put it more politely, without the experience of "self," how is it possible to experience the sense of "no self?" Otherwise, what exactly is there to falsify?
You should be careful trying to use logic and terms you don't understand.
 
Thats very right! He might appear like saying something interesting for undeducated individuals who are (for the first time) approaching to this topics. Of course, most of them will immediately realize that Iacchus have nothing of importance to say, and that his "arguments" are not based in logic at all, but in what he wants to believe is "true" at any cost.
Would you not agree that it's love that sustains us?

Excerpt from Swedenborg's Heaven and Hell ...

486. All the delights that a man has are the delights of his ruling love, for he feels nothing to be delightful except what he loves, thus especially that which he loves above all things. It means the same whether you say the ruling love or that which is loved above all things. These delights are various. In general, there are as many as there are ruling loves; consequently as many as there are men, spirits, and angels for no one's ruling love is in every respect like that of another. For this reason no one has a face [in the spiritual sense] exactly like that of any other; for each one's face is an image of his mind; and in the spiritual world it is an image of his ruling love.
Are you suggesting you see no logic in this?
 
You see, the whole "spirit" business falls apart upon close inspection. You're going to die, Iacchus. We all are. And when we do, we will never be alive again. So my advice is to get busy living and stop concerning yourself with immortality. You've only got one life. Don't waste it.
If you're suggesting that I don't forsake that part of me which is alive -- which, is my spirit -- I would have to concur. In fact this is the very thing I'm looking at (in myself) when it comes time to refute the notions of folks like you.

21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.

22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead. ~ Matthew 8:21-22

31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. ~ Matthew 22:31-32
 
Dennis needs his medicine again apparenly. I need a new keyboard. The kids ripped the comma key from it. I have to use a cotton swab to type a comma.
 
If you're suggesting that I don't forsake that part of me which is alive -- which, is my spirit -- I would have to concur.
I was suggesting no such thing. You are once again being intentionally obtuse. But your spirit is not a living thing. It is a description of some of the aspects of you brain functions, and as such is an illusory, if occasionally useful, concept.
I forsook my soul years ago when I decided it wasn't real. It has made no significant difference in the way my body operates.

And by the way, there are many parts of you which are "alive". They can even go on living after much of the rest of you is dead. People who care about others even offer to let those living parts be used to keep other humans alive even after the donor is dead. As you may be aware, the "spirit" is not one of those parts.

In fact this is the very thing I'm looking at (in myself) when it comes time to refute the notions of folks like you.
You can refute until your dying day but it won't change a thing. When your dying day comes, you will die, except perhaps for some of your tissues and organs if you've signed the organ donor card.
 
Dennis needs his medicine again apparenly. I need a new keyboard. The kids ripped the comma key from it. I have to use a cotton swab to type a comma.
And, if there was such a thing as genuine, you would never know it. That's the problem with you and one or two other folks around here.
 
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You can refute until your dying day but it won't change a thing. When your dying day comes, you will die, except perhaps for some of your tissues and organs if you've signed the organ donor card.
The Church of Medical Science is a big joke. About the only thing they're good for is sucking up everyone's inheritance. We're going to die anyway, so why give it all to them?
 
The Church of Medical Science is a big joke. About the only thing they're good for is sucking up everyone's inheritance. We're going to die anyway, so why give it all to them?
I am alive thanks to medical science. I rather appreciate not dying at age 10. My parents both would be dead if not for medical science. I rather enjoy them using up my inheritance.

Your statement is extraordinarily rude and tasteless. I know you will not apologize for it...but you really should.
 
Dennis is nothing more than a steaming sack of fecal excretia who is simply leeching off his mother and biding his time while waiting for the perfect opportunity to lose all contact with reality... a child hiding behind mommy to keep the state from pre-emptively attending to this lunatic. If the Roman Gods do exist they are only laughing at this simpleton mortal and his mental delusions. If I were in power here (thank the Gods I'm not) Iacchus would bear the title of 'Village Idiot' rather than 'Philosopher' and his sig would become an advertisement for mental therapeutic drugs.

But we love ya Dennis!
 

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