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Consciousness question

Iacchus said:
My awareness is all I have. It defines the whole world around me. If I don't put my trust in this, what else is there to trust?
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Good question.

I have another, which takes you (if you are serious) to what is beyond that primary feeling of "trust":

Who is asking this question?
 
Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
Good question.

I have another, which takes you (if you are serious) to what is beyond that primary feeling of "trust":

Who is asking this question?
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That which exists beyond time and space, otherwise I would not be capable of viewing it as such.
 
Mercutio said:
But you are not aware of your computer's history. Why make claims about it? You claim awareness is all you need, but you constantly go beyond what you are aware of, and make claims about things of which you are ignorant.
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Careful that my high beams don't blind you. :D
 
Iacchus said:
My awareness is all I have. It defines the whole world around me. If I don't put my trust in this, what else is there to trust?
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Ah, but a century of research in perception and memory has shown that you cannot put your trust in your awareness. You are (as are we all) subject to very real biases which distort your awareness. Do not put your trust in your awareness, Iacchus, it will lead you astray.

Watch the Blackmore video for some very powerful demonstrations of how faulty our awareness, perception, cognition, memory...all are. It is a trivial task to demonstrate that what we believe to be our awareness of the world is vastly different from what information we actually are able to take in. The richness of detail is illusory. This is not idle speculation, but easily demonstrated. It is there on the video. You can deny it all you like, but you will continue to be...quite simply wrong.
 
Iacchus said:
That which exists beyond time and space, otherwise I would not be capable of viewing it as such.
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This is one of them there "koans", innit? You can only view it beyond the parameters which define what we can view?

I guess that means you are making it up.
 
Mercutio said:
This is one of them there "koans", innit? You can only view it beyond the parameters which define what we can view?

I guess that means you are making it up.
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Or that you're blinded by the mighty power of Iacchus' high beams. . .

Wow. . . I typed that with a straight face. . .
 
Iacchus said:
No. What I'm suggesting is that it is only possible to know of something in the moment, as "you" the observer. "To know" is simply to observe in other words.
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Why won't you allow yourself to observe the evidence that speaks critically to your claims? It is only possible to know enough about it to dismiss it if you have, yourself, observed it. By your own logic, you cannot dismiss the videos until you have watched them. But of course, you rarely understand the implications of your own logic.
 
Iacchus said:
No. What I'm suggesting is that it is only possible to know of something in the moment, as "you" the observer. "To know" is simply to observe in other words.
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And what have you observed of "that which exists beyond time and space"?

Not what you believe. What have you actually observed?
 
Mercutio said:
This is one of them there "koans", innit? You can only view it beyond the parameters which define what we can view?

I guess that means you are making it up.
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Can a rock perceive anything outside of its being a rock?
 
Iacchus said:
Says the mole, who can't see much past a hole in the ground. ;)
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I have repeatedly asked you to share evidence, and offered to share evidence with you. Which of us has examined what the other has brought?

You are intellectually dishonest, Iacchus. Around here, that sort of thing will be noticed.
 
Iacchus said:
Can a rock perceive anything outside of its being a rock?
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Ah...progress...When Iacchus finds himself painted into a corner, he starts asking this sort of question.

Sorry, bub. There are more important issues for you to try to dodge.
 
Iacchus said:
Can a rock perceive anything outside of its being a rock?
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Instead of listening, thinking critically, and reflecting on what is said and asked of you, here you go again, running away to another unsubstantiated, unnecessary, illogical statement to start a whole new argument on your views instead of any evidence with which you can stand upon and defend your points.
 
Mercutio said:
Ah...progress...When Iacchus finds himself painted into a corner, he starts asking this sort of question.

Sorry, bub. There are more important issues for you to try to dodge.
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[Iacchus]

But what is a Dodge?

Do you have to be a car to truly experience being a Dodge? Or can that which is beyond space and time comprehend the Dodge-ness in all things? ;)

[/Iacchus]
 
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