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CONNIE SONNE, Dowser

Gr8wight said:
Dann, you don't actually believe that Connie believes everything she says, do you?
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Yes, I think that she does. I have no other explanation for her behaviour, and even though chillzero does not seem to understand it, I don't use the word delusion lightly nor as a term of abuse. (I actually think that chill may be "too close to the situation emotionally to be able to look at it rationally". She seems to be unable to recognize the difference between herself and CS as applicants.)
This is why I stress that CS is not Sylvia Browne, she does not appear to have been earning money, US dollars or Danish kroner, deceiving the deluded. The first thing we ever heard about her was when she made her claims about Maddie, and that also does not appear to have been part of a moneymaking scheme.

Maybe her trip to TAM7 in Las Vegas actually is not even a bad thing. I don't know. Maybe somebody there will be able to have a serious talk with her. I have the impression that the Danish academic who supported CS's application is worthless when it comes to distinguishing between 'powers' and delusions. She appears to be the kind of anthropologist who finds it prejudiced even to consider making the distinction.
Compared to the money CS claims to have spent already - and chran is right about the amount in US $$ - going to Vegas isn't very expensive. (I was there for TAM2.)
I just want the JREF to be aware of the responsibility they take upon themselves when they ask Connie not only to do the MDC test but also to do it in front of an audience at TAM7.
I am not a psychiatrist and I don't have the competence to 'remote analyze' CS, but I have the impression that CS is not just an ordinary woowoo or believer, i.e. able to distinguish between the real world and her fantasies.
I do notice, however, that she bought a real ticket to Las Vegas and did not ask her connections to take her there. :)
 
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connie sonne said:
Pixel42, as I told you, I have answered that.
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Yes you have. And I'm just trying to help you understand why your answer is unacceptable to sceptics. Do you understand what I have explained?

No, I`m NOT cheating, I can`t
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So you're saying it would be completely unreasonable of me (or JREF) to assume before you even take the test that if you pass it you must have been cheating, so passing it doesn't prove anything? I agree.

Likewise it is completely unreasonable for you to assume before you even take the test that if you fail it is must be because the mysterious entities responsible for your powers have decided not to reveal themselves, so if you fail it doesn't prove anything.

The test is to establish who is right, you (who claim you have these powers) or sceptics (who think you are inadvertantly fooling yourself, like so many have before). Both parties must agree beforehand that the test will indeed prove who is right, otherwise it is not worth running the test. At the moment only the sceptics and JREF have stated they will accept the result of the test; you have already specifically stated that you will not accept it.
 
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I have agreed the protocol, and JREF knows what they are doing, :). I will not waste my time so NO more from me here on this forum. Just wait and see:)

Connie Sonne
 
connie sonne said:
I have agreed the protocol, and JREF knows what they are doing, :). I will not waste my time so NO more from me here on this forum. Just wait and see:)

Connie Sonne
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Fair enough, good luck! I'd like to see you succeed, paranormal or clever con it would be nice to shake things up a bit before the MDC ends.
 
I wrote before, that it was my last words here, but I have a comment:

Someone here knows I`m right what I`m saying, someone knows there is much more than you can see, someone here and in other forums on the internet act they are skeptics, eventhough they know...(but they don`t know WHAT or WHO it is !) . They act they are skeptics just for one thing....try to get people down in the mudd, not only people who actually can "do something", or have seen something they can`t explain, no also trying to make all other people thinking, that there`s nothing....only the human being!! These people are sometimes hired to do it. Believe it or not, the truth WILL come out:)
 
connie sonne said:
I wrote before, that it was my last words here, but I have a comment:

Someone here knows I`m right what I`m saying, someone knows there is much more than you can see, someone here and in other forums on the internet act they are skeptics, eventhough they know...(but they don`t know WHAT or WHO it is !) . They act they are skeptics just for one thing....try to get people down in the mudd, not only people who actually can "do something", or have seen something they can`t explain, no also trying to make all other people thinking, that there`s nothing....only the human being!! These people are sometimes hired to do it. Believe it or not, the truth WILL come out:)
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Well, Connie, in your test you will have to be a lot more precise than above.

Do not forget: It's all about the evidence. Simple evidence of you being able to do what you claim to be able to do.
 
Well, I don't recognize myself in most of CS's latest post, but this part of it is to the point:

connie sonne said:
... trying to make all other people thinking, that there`s nothing....only the human being!!
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Unfortunately I don't have room left in my sig line for "there`s nothing....only the human being!", but I like it! :)
And I wish somebody would pay me to spread the message, but if the Bavarian Illuminati actually exists, it hasn't proposed to put me on the payroll!
I do know a lot of Bavarian Marxists, though, but for some reason guys like that tend to have very little dough. :) Like me they tend to hate elitists and other aholes who "try to get people down in the mud".
 
connie sonne said:
Someone here knows I`m right what I`m saying, someone knows there is much more than you can see, someone here and in other forums on the internet act they are skeptics, eventhough they know...(but they don`t know WHAT or WHO it is !) . They act they are skeptics just for one thing....try to get people down in the mudd, not only people who actually can "do something", or have seen something they can`t explain, no also trying to make all other people thinking, that there`s nothing....only the human being!! These people are sometimes hired to do it. Believe it or not, the truth WILL come out:)
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Ah, a conspiracy! These false skeptics are surely lizardmen working for the evil government! :shocked:
 
pixel42 said:
Suppose I made it clear before you even took the test that if you pass it I will simply assume that you cheated in some way, and would refuse to acknowledge that you do indeed have the powers you claim.
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If I were Connie I wouldn't care what you or others think about my 'powers' as long as you pay me the million dollars I won after successfully passing the challenge.
It is possible to win the million even if not having any real powers but by a way to cheat that was overlooked in the protocol.
 
yairhol said:
If I were Connie I wouldn't care what you or others think about my 'powers' as long as you pay me the million dollars I won after successfully passing the challenge.
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I was trying to describe an attitude which would seem as unreasonable to Connie as her attitude is to sceptics, in order to help her to understand why we think it's unreasonable.

But you're right, and likewise JREF won't really care how Connie explains away her failure to herself when everyone else will take it as proof she does not have the powers she claims to have. I just think it's a shame that she's not going to learn anything from this exercise.

But I suppose that's why the challenge is being wound up: the intended targets (the fraudsters) refuse to take it and the unintended targets (the sincere, well meaning mistaken) don't learn anything from it.
 
dann said:
How could you know that I'm a government employee? What are your powers? :)
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I spotted you as a lizard a long time ago. It was easy to figure out that you must have been sent by the government, or even more likely, the UN! :eek:
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Pixel42 said:
I was trying to describe an attitude which would seem as unreasonable to Connie as her attitude is to sceptics, in order to help her to understand why we think it's unreasonable.

But you're right, and likewise JREF won't really care how Connie explains away her failure to herself when everyone else will take it as proof she does not have the powers she claims to have. I just think it's a shame that she's not going to learn anything from this exercise.

But I suppose that's why the challenge is being wound up: the intended targets (the fraudsters) refuse to take it and the unintended targets (the sincere, well meaning mistaken) don't learn anything from it.
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As far as I know no challenger has ever admitted that their failure meant that they didn't have their powers, so I would be really, really, suprised if Connie was the first.
 
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Marcus said:
As far as I know no challenger has ever admitted that their failure meant that they didn't have their powers, so I would be really, really, suprised if Connie was the first.
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I would expect the common case such a rational person might engage in self-testing, get negative results when controls are in place, and eventually drop their claim and accept their initial hypothesis was incorrect.
 
steenkh said:
I spotted you as a lizard a long time ago. It was easy to figure out that you must have been sent by the government, or even more likely, the UN! :eek:
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And you, sir, are another plant, an additional layer in the conspiracy if you will. Your mistake was simple but crucial: You misspelled "gubbmint."
 
Dann....maybe you will send me another private message later, but I feel this a little bit strange, because you haven`t answered me yet, instead you did had the time for write woohoo-things,:).

To people out there, I think you should know, I asked Dann, who writes several places, mostly skeptical forums for having a meeting. Him and other skeptical persons. It could be a possibility to be convinced that I`m right. Not only about dowsing but many other things. I don`t care if I have to travel, I will be GLAD to !! What about you StenKh and Chran....interested?????
 
petre said:
I would expect the common case such a rational person might engage in self-testing, get negative results when controls are in place, and eventually drop their claim and accept their initial hypothesis was incorrect.
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This does indeed happen, some of the more rational claimants self-test and realize they are wrong. The ones who make it to the JREF test generally have too much faith in their beliefs to be swayed by evidence. It looks like Connie will be in this category

I don't recall if one has ever self-tested in the controled form of a JREF test. If you look at Edge's test, for example, he might say something like he knows dowsing works, he does it every day, so he has no need to waste time setting up a JREF type test. Afterwards came the excuses, of course, including the most creative one that he lied when he said the conditions were right for the test, even though he did perfectly in the open test.
 
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