chran
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You must be real fun at parties. Rock on, dude.
CONNIE SONNE, Dowser
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You must be real fun at parties. Rock on, dude.
Yes, I have no doubt that I'm a party pooper in this case, but then again: I don't really approve of the party.
The contradiction in chillzero's attitude is that she is so keen on having CS perform at your 'party' that she tends to forget what is actually going on: CS goes there believing that she has powers, and a lot of people look forward to seeing her fail - which appears to be the reason why we should not point out to her the delusion but instead pretend that it isn't one, thus making her feel "welcomed".
And that's the 'party' that you don't want me to spoil.
In this discussion CS is not the one that I don't respect. You are!
The contradiction in chillzero's attitude is that she is so keen on having CS perform at your 'party' that she tends to forget what is actually going on: CS goes there believing that she has powers, and a lot of people look forward to seeing her fail - which appears to be the reason why we should not point out to her the delusion but instead pretend that it isn't one, thus making her feel "welcomed".
And that's the 'party' that you don't want me to spoil.
In this discussion CS is not the one that I don't respect. You are!
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connie sonne
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oh dann,
....you are SO pathetic. NONE can give you respect at all !!!
....you are SO pathetic. NONE can give you respect at all !!!Gr8wight
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Dann, this seems to be very personal for you. You may be too close to the situation emotionally to be able to look at it rationally. The goal of the JREF is to demonstrate to the world at large that these abilities do not exist. They pursue many avenues to that goal, one of which is the Million Dollar Challenge. In order for the challenge to successfully communicate its message, it is necessary that challenges actually take place. No one here really believes that Connie will be successful in her challenge, but they wish the challenge to go forward for that very reason. Another failed challenge adds strength to the arguments put forth by the JREF. The JREF does not want us to scare off potential challenge participants by being rude and unwelcoming. That would harm the foundation in the long run.
So, we welcome Connie's challenge test, and look forward to seeing it played out.
So, we welcome Connie's challenge test, and look forward to seeing it played out.
It is a possibility. It is also a possibility she might succeed. The probability gap between those two seems wide.
If anyone considers only one possibility as being, well, possible, he might be more close-minded than he realises.
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I thought that the JREF MDC was to help FIND something Paranormal?
But what you've stated is exactly the biased truth of the matter.
The JREF wants to prove that there isn't anything Paranormal, unlike their claim of neutrality
OPEN MOUTH INSERT FOOT ... LMAO
Hang in there Connie. The truth is coming out!!!!!!
Don't worry about them attacking you. They do it to all applicants
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So you think that the MDC should never have been set up, and nobody should ever be tested? Or that they should be taunted for all the time in the hope that they will give up being tested?
What claim of neutrality? Last time when I looked at the FAQ it was explained that the Challenge started with James Randi putting his money where his mouth is. That is, James Randi does not think you can do a paranormal demonstration, and the JREF is willing to bet a million dollar on it.I thought that the JREF MDC was to help FIND something Paranormal?
But what you've stated is exactly the biased truth of the matter.
The JREF wants to prove that there isn't anything Paranormal, unlike their claim of neutrality
You are not bringing new insights here.
connie sonne
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The professor, thank`s, I will keep on, and yes, the truth will come out.
And for all people in here, I DO respect all other people, for what they are thinking or what they are, skeptic or whatever, it dosn`t mean anything, we are all different. But when people act very childish here, my respect is gone. Noone can say, what other people can do, before they have done it. Noone can judge other people without knowing them. So for all of you out there, it`s ok being skeptical and write it here, it won`t keep me away from anything .
And Dann, I think you have more than one reason to be here on this forum.
Connie
And for all people in here, I DO respect all other people, for what they are thinking or what they are, skeptic or whatever, it dosn`t mean anything, we are all different. But when people act very childish here, my respect is gone. Noone can say, what other people can do, before they have done it. Noone can judge other people without knowing them. So for all of you out there, it`s ok being skeptical and write it here, it won`t keep me away from anything
.And Dann, I think you have more than one reason to be here on this forum.
Connie
You may be too close to the situation emotionally to be able to look at it rationally, Gr8wight, but consider this:
When you say that
Now you are asking CS to go ahead, i.e. buy the ticket, get up in front of an audience at TAM7 where we know that she'll fail:
So why go ahead with not only the MDC but also with putting a poor woman like CS on display at TAM7? Because telling her the truth would harm not her but
So CS's (voluntary) sacrifice is considered to be educational:
Good luck with your attempts at 'looking at the situation rationally' when you
When you say that
you seem to forget that the MDC is being phased out because it never actually served the purpose that it was supposed to have, i.e. to expose people like Sylvia Browne, Uri Geller etc. (or in my country people like Marion Dampier-Jeans). It never helped expose these people because they don't appear to be deluded at all - at least not to the extent that they are willing to risk being exposed as delusional. Instead it gave rise to a new delusion in a number of the deluded: that they actually have the chance of winning 1 mill. $, which we know that they haven't.
Now you are asking CS to go ahead, i.e. buy the ticket, get up in front of an audience at TAM7 where we know that she'll fail:
and in spite of this knowledge (there is no reason the pretend that it is only a belief) that she'll fail,
You add:
but that is really unnecessary since the truth is that you actually encourage people to pursue something that you know is a delusion, but they don't! Telling these people that they are delusional (i.e. telling them the truth) is therefore considered rude and unwelcoming, whereas wishing them luck with their pursuit of their delusional claims is considered polite and obliging!
So why go ahead with not only the MDC but also with putting a poor woman like CS on display at TAM7? Because telling her the truth would harm not her but
So CS's (voluntary) sacrifice is considered to be educational:
even though the JREF knows that it isn't, which is why it's being phased out: CS will be just another one in the long line of delusional test subjects bound to fail, which does not "add strength" to any argument at all.
Good luck with your attempts at 'looking at the situation rationally' when you
I bet you do!
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Yet you cannot be bothered to answer a simple sincere question asked directly to you? What kind of respect does that show?
Let me remind you:
No, it's impossible, but to encourage CS you pretend that it isn't.
That depends on the possiblities being discussed. If you jump off the roof of a very tall building expecting gravity to stop working at that very minute, the impossibility of your delusional claim should be pointed out to you.
I recommend that you consider why you start using one of the favourite arguments of the superstitious against the close-minded skeptics.
Well, the JREF has discovered that the MDC does not serve its purpose. It is being phased out, and I think that it is probably a good idea to get rid of it.
Who is taunting anybody, Steen?! You and chillzero seem to have a problem with the word delusional, as if it were a term of abuse - as opposed to calling Connie Sonne's delusion "sad", I guess:
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You don't really need to ask CS this question or to doubt her respect for the JREF or the forum and its participants:
Connie has made it very clear that to her the MDC is not a test. It is destiny's way of providing her with a million US dollars and of making the world recognize her.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4358406#post4358406
Why don't you just relax and appreciate that The Professor has joined the ranks of people encouraging CS to go to TAM7?
At least I'm able to appreciate the irony if not the intention!
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Congratulations, Ms. Sonne -- and THANK YOU for cooperating with the application and protocol process. I'm really sorry I can't be there and see the test -- good luck, and I'm looking forward to reading about the results. Again, thank you!
You are right, that it is ironic that TP encourages Connie Sonne to grab the million before he can do it himself!Why don't you just relax and appreciate that The Professor has joined the ranks of people encouraging CS to go to TAM7?
At least I'm able to appreciate the irony if not the intention!
I doubt that it is because he respects that she has the confidence to take the test when he himself weaseled out by producing protocols that he knew could not be accepted.
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I don't have a problem with the word delusionsal. I have a problem with people misusing this particular section of the forum and I don't really want to have to step in on this thread nad take action as a moderator.
Threads here are designed to assist claimants in reaching a protocol that can be tested, for them to undergo the MDC challenge. To mock claimants is unacceptable to me, as it does not help the JREF or the claimant acheive their goal of getting to a testing point. It allows claimants to claim they are being intimidated from taking the test. We should give absolutely no space for leeway there.
When we finally do get a claimant who has reached the point where a protocol has been agreed, then it is encumbent upon us to do nothing more than wait for that to play out. We have nothing additional to contribute to a protocol discussion that has been agreed, and we are merely waiting for the test to be undertaken. Anything negative said to the claimant between agreement and the test is fodder for bad publicity for the JREF and enabling the claimant (and other claimants with their own particular grudges to bear as seen above) to jump in and claim obstacles are being placed intheir way - they are beng intimidated or bullied, or the negative skeptic forces are working against their ability, or the nasty things being said are having a negative effect upon them.
I know from experience how intimidating it is to come to this forum and try to move toward a test for the MDC, and I think when someone sticks with it and gets to that point, they have earned some respect. We always tell them - put your money where your mouth is, so why on earth would we then be nasty to them when they do?
Do not give any claimant an easy excuse to walk away from the MDC.
Do not work against what the JREF are trying to acheive.
Now, as moderator:
Please - no more comments about The Professor. He has enough moderated threads of his own. Please keep to the topic in this thread, which is Connie Sonne and her protocol.
Also, no uncivil comments about anyone, or this thread also will be locked down to moderated status.
Threads here are designed to assist claimants in reaching a protocol that can be tested, for them to undergo the MDC challenge. To mock claimants is unacceptable to me, as it does not help the JREF or the claimant acheive their goal of getting to a testing point. It allows claimants to claim they are being intimidated from taking the test. We should give absolutely no space for leeway there.
When we finally do get a claimant who has reached the point where a protocol has been agreed, then it is encumbent upon us to do nothing more than wait for that to play out. We have nothing additional to contribute to a protocol discussion that has been agreed, and we are merely waiting for the test to be undertaken. Anything negative said to the claimant between agreement and the test is fodder for bad publicity for the JREF and enabling the claimant (and other claimants with their own particular grudges to bear as seen above) to jump in and claim obstacles are being placed intheir way - they are beng intimidated or bullied, or the negative skeptic forces are working against their ability, or the nasty things being said are having a negative effect upon them.
I know from experience how intimidating it is to come to this forum and try to move toward a test for the MDC, and I think when someone sticks with it and gets to that point, they have earned some respect. We always tell them - put your money where your mouth is, so why on earth would we then be nasty to them when they do?
Do not give any claimant an easy excuse to walk away from the MDC.
Do not work against what the JREF are trying to acheive.
Now, as moderator:
Please - no more comments about The Professor. He has enough moderated threads of his own. Please keep to the topic in this thread, which is Connie Sonne and her protocol.
Also, no uncivil comments about anyone, or this thread also will be locked down to moderated status.