Congressman Weiner's inappropriate tweet

Puppycow said:
Bottom line:
There are people who could back up his claim, if it were true.
But he has not apparently asked them to do so.
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Who? The girl is strongly suggesting it wasn't from Weiner and even points to whom she thinks it is from.
 
Puppycow said:
Let's just say I'm not aware of any evidence that he has, and this is a "dog not barking" that seems like it should be barking if Weiner's story is true.





There's a simple explanation for his behavior (from a poster on another board):



Simple explanation and the only explanation that is consistent with his behavior.

He's trying and failing to come up with an excuse that is both plausible and non-falsifiable. Unfortunately non-falsifiable also means non-verifiable. And while it might be plausible if he reported it to the police, asked Twitter to confirm his story and answered questions straightforwardly, it just isn't plausible when he won't even say that that's not him in the photo, and that it's "just a prank, ha ha" not worth wasting the police's time over, but worth hiring a lawyer and a private investigator to deal with.

Bottom line:
There are people who could back up his claim, if it were true.
But he has not apparently asked them to do so.
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You may be right. But you are still speculating.

Every politician (in the US) that gets caught up in these things equivocates. I can't think of one that hasn't. So whether you think it's plausible or not doesn't mean anything.

Personally, I don't care if it is his wiener. He's not a Social Conservative, so it's unimportant overall. It's only important if it's outright hypocrisy.

GB
 
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Puppycow said:
Let's just say I'm not aware of any evidence that he has, and this is a "dog not barking" that seems like it should be barking if Weiner's story is true.
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What right do you or anyone else have to know the details of this ongoing investigation?

This is just another example of "He's guilty because I personally disapprove of the manner in which he's handling it".


Puppycow said:
There's a simple explanation for his behavior (from a poster on another board):
that's funny. alcohol + smartphone + twitter = ruin.

of course, he won't get police involved because lying to the media, to constituents, is not a crime. lying to the police is. the media can't prove he wasn't hacked.
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That's an explanation for why he hasn't reported it to the police. It's not an explanation for why he wouldn't just simply deny the photo is of him.


Puppycow said:
Simple explanation and the only explanation that is consistent with his behavior.

He's trying and failing to come up with an excuse that is both plausible and non-falsifiable. Unfortunately non-falsifiable also means non-verifiable. And while it might be plausible if he reported it to the police, asked Twitter to confirm his story and answered questions straightforwardly, it just isn't plausible when he won't even say that that's not him in the photo, and that it's "just a prank, ha ha" not worth wasting the police's time over, but worth hiring a lawyer and a private investigator to deal with.
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The reasonable expectation for a guilty party desperately trying to distance themselves from embarrassing behavior is to categorically deny it. Weiner, for whatever reason, has not done so.

In fact, he has done something very counter intuitive which is to refuse to deny the one aspect of this incident that it would be easiest to deny.

He's denied knowing the girl or sending the tweet, both denials which could be easily disproven by a third party.

But if he were to deny the photo was him, who would be in a position to contradict that?

Puppycow said:
Bottom line:
There are people who could back up his claim, if it were true.
But he has not apparently asked them to do so.
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Actually, the girl in question has backed up his claim.
 
Three hundred eighty-five posts later and I'm still snickering that his name is Weiner. Are we sure this is real and not some massive trolling attempt?
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
What could be worse than what's already happening is the disclosure of something private that currently remains private.
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In other words, perhaps he did something even worse than sending that photo.

Yeah, I don't think that's the defense I'd go with.

That you reject the debunking of the lie is beside the point.
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What debunking? There has been no debunking.

People have come up with possible scenarios to explain how it could have happened without Weiner's input. But that doesn't prove that it did. The things that could prove it (like the IP address logs from Twitter) haven't been exactly forthcoming.
 
Puppycow said:
And the reason we are all speculating is because Weiner won't pick up the phone and ask Twitter to back his story up.

Or, the police, who could in turn ask Twitter to confirm or deny his story.
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So what? Who really gives a rats behind? This is only a big deal because people like you make it a big deal.

There are a lot more important things to worry about, such as the GOP blackmail re: the debt ceiling. And that's why Breitbart and his cronies are at it again.

GB
 
johnny karate said:
Actually, the girl in question has backed up his claim.
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The original tweet in question was deleted before she ever saw it.

What she saw when she logged in was a retweet, presumably by this Dan Wolfe person.

So, I don't think she's in a position to either confirm or deny his claim.

Twitter on the other hand could could say what the IP number of the device which logged in to make the tweet was, because they keep logs of this stuff, whether it was the same device used to delete the tweet, and whether that device was one of the devices usually used by Rep. Weiner.
 
Puppycow said:
The original tweet in question was deleted before she ever saw it.

What she saw when she logged in was a retweet, presumably by this Dan Wolfe person.

So, I don't think she's in a position to either confirm or deny his claim.
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She denies knowing him or having any kind of relationship with him. So at least that much of his story is substantiated.

Puppycow said:
Twitter on the other hand could could say what the IP number of the device which logged in to make the tweet was, because they keep logs of this stuff, whether it was the same device used to delete the tweet, and whether that device was one of the devices usually used by Rep. Weiner.
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They certainly could, and might have already. There is an ongoing investigation. Your complaint isn't so much that Twitter hasn't verified Weiner's story, but rather that Twitter hasn't verified Weiner's story to you personally.
 
johnny karate said:
Actually, the girl in question has backed up his claim.
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No she hasn't. She said she assumed it wasn't really him, but she never said she knows it wasn't. And how could she claim to know that? She has no more knowledge of who sent it than anyone else. She's in no position to back up (or refute) his claim, and she DIDN'T. Nothing she said or could say tells us anything about who actually sent the pics. So anyone who tries to argue that Weiner didn't do it on the basis of her support is either lying or clueless.
 
thaiboxerken said:
The tweet was deleted before the person it was addressed to even saw it.

Here's a question, why is there a big deal about this then?!
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Yet again, all the commotion isn't about the photo, it's about his response to it.

johnny karate said:
How do you know this hasn't already been done as part of the investigation he commissioned?
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The smart thing to do isn't to commission an investigation: "If you’ve been hacked, the thing not to do, says Koretz, is what Weiner did. “I would not hire a private investigator, because they wouldn’t have access to Twitter’s back-end systems or be able to do the kind of forensics to get to the bottom of how it really happened,” he says. Hiring a private team, Koretz adds, “is really more about smoke and mirrors than it is about tracking a hacker.” http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0602/Anthony-Weiner-Twitter-hack-What-he-should-have-done

johnny karate said:
This is just another example of "He's guilty because I personally disapprove of the manner in which he's handling it".
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It's not just "I personally disapprove", it's clearly the wrong approach if he's truly innocent. See the link above.

So evasive answers are proof of guilt?
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Evasive answers are proof of being evasive. That leads to asking, "why?" The logical answer is that he's trying to hide something. That "something" is looking more and more like a public Tweet that was supposed to be private. The excuses are rapidly heading to the level of Larry Craig's "wide stance" lameness.
 
Bjorn said:
It looks like someone did a trick to make it look like Weiner posted the picture. My guess would be the guy who predicted it two weeks earlier and has a history of cheating and a history of being "after" Weiner.
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This is mind-numbingly obvious, and to add to the scene is Breitbart preemptively using this guy as a scapegoat. Here are some of Breitbart's tweets:

Come out, come out wherever you are 'Dan Wolfe' @patriotUSA76! Stop hiding behind anonymity! Own up to your role & motivation.

Is there a real 'Dan Wolfe' @PatriotUSA76 or has someone for months elaborately pretended to be? #Weinergate gets more confusing!

Lookin' for some clarifying data from @patriotusa76. Call me. I'm listed. Article coming by 2pm EDT @BigGovt
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http://www.salon.com/news/andrew_br...r_room/2011/06/02/breitbart_patriotusa_emails

Don't you think any basically competent journalist would have answers to those questions before pimping the hack story?

Breitbart also publicized an e-mail from this patriotusa76 that seems to hint at a role in this BS (same link). Set all your speculation machines to "stun" for this one:

I am screwed. If this comes out along with everything I'm dealing with here -- I don't know what to do.
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Again, that's an e-mail from the guy the woman in Seattle that received the tweet immediately identified as the source for this nonsense. "If this comes out." Let's hear some theories on what that means.

Scumbag Breitbart is going to claim that he was an innocent party just asking questions and passing on information. He was a duped by this patriot fellow along with the rest of America. That's why Breitbart published the private e-mail from patriotusa76. WHY DOES ANYONE BELIEVE ANYTHING BREITBART PRODUCES?

Having no idea as to the substance of this matter Breitbart's participation alone makes me think it's nonsense. Every subsequent factual development has supported that position with Weiner's behavior serving as the only grounds for keeping this **** alive, and, of course, that behavior is only suspicious when you've already assumed he did something wrong. Otherwise it looks like a guy who is confused and embarrassed.

Hurry up guys, get to the Mystery Machine and solve this caper!
 
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Gandalfs Beard said:
So what? Who really gives a rats behind? This is only a big deal because people like you make it a big deal.

There are a lot more important things to worry about, such as the GOP blackmail re: the debt ceiling. And that's why Breitbart and his cronies are at it again.
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Folks who make ten posts in a thread that they profess to be no big deal really make me skeptical.
 
Puppycow said:
You might want to open Google News and see what the top story is right now.

BTW, I do not think that the underlying scandal is a big deal.

It's the cover-up, which is worse than the scandal itself.
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"Cover Up"????? You must be joking. Of what?...A non-crime?

I don't even go near the Conspiracy section of the forum, because this forum (or at least the majority of people on this forum) act like Conspiracies are kooky by definition (which is patently ridiculous).

But your conspiracy theory is moronic. The only people involved in Dirty Tricks are Breitbart and his crew.

GB
 
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