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Congressman Stark commits political suicide

DangerousBeliefs

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http://www.theargusonline.com/Stories/0,1413,83~1968~2135776,00.html

http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,82~1865~2135994,00.html

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_050704/content/stop_the_tape.guest.html <- Includes audio

Congressman calls letter's author, insults man's intelligence; voice mail played on Limbaugh show, Internet


I'm not a fan of the Right and don't like Rush Limbaugh, but this congressman (Republican or Democrat) is an A** that needs to be out of politics. I have a feeling I'll get my wish.
 
Stark soon left Dow a phone message saying that Dow didn't know what he was talking about, and that Stark believed someone had put Dow up to writing the letter, perhaps even writing it for him: "I doubt if you could spell half the words in your letter."

"But I'll call you back later and let you tell me more about why you think you're such a great, goddamn hero, and why you think that this general and the defense department who forced these poor enlisted guys to do what they did shouldn't be held to account -- that's the issue," Stark said. "So if you want to stick it to a bunch of enlisted guys, have your way, but if you want to get to the bottom of the people who forced this awful program in Iraq, then you should understand more about it than you obviously do. Thanks."


This guy's AWSOME. He's same guy (a democrat) who called another senator a "fruitcake"...

DAMN RIGHT!!! TELL IT LIKE IT IS!

I don't think anyone should get in trouble like he does, but at least he's looking out for the little guy. All you traitors who are mad at this whole thing are doing the same thing this country did when those guys in Nam came back and you didn't treat them nice. You called them names and threw drinks on them in bars. Now you're doing it again! Some things never change, I guess.
 
Rush sure found a flattering pic of the Congressman:

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Geeez, you woud think that with all the exhaustive psychological screening, background checks, and testing that candidates have to go through before they are deemed fit to serve our country, that this sort of out of control stuff wouldn't happen...

Oh wait, that only applies to ***astronaut candidates*** not to political candidates.

:p

Paul
 
The letter.

Stark's voice message reply.

While there are some totally needless insults in the voice message I think his main point is valid (Dow has no clue what he's talking about) and you got to give Stark props for a prompt telephone response. He even said he would call back later to discuss the issue more. ;)
 
STARK STATEMENT ON HOUSE RESOLUTION
CONDEMNING ABUSE OF IRAQI PRISONERS


Thursday, May 6, 2004


Mr. Speaker,

I rise to vote no on this resolution. It is right to condemn the brutal and abhorrent abuse of Iraqi prisoners. But, this resolution is not strong enough. Without language authorizing a full-fledged Congressional investigation into this matter, we are failing our responsibility.

Republicans refused to allow any language to be added to this resolution providing for an investigation into these crimes. They have limited our ability to bring those responsible to account for their actions. This is wrong, especially when our ideals have been undermined and our leadership again tarnished throughout the world.

These acts of humiliation, torture and even murder are outrageous. They are a shameful affront to the Iraqi people and those throughout the Arab and Muslim World. As a nation, we owe the victims of these acts and the Iraqi people a full apology and investigation into how these abhorrent abuses were allowed to occur.

The torture and abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison are part of a larger systemic pattern of abuse with which this Administration has been complicit. We know -- as the Washington Post reported in December, 2002 -- that prisoners captured in Afghanistan by the US were transferred to other nations to be tortured for information. We already are well acquainted with the mistreatment of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. This latest expose of torture and abuse at the Iraqi prison is just one more example of heinous treatment at the hands of our government.

We trust in the honorable service of our troops. This does not reflect on the Americans bravely serving in Iraq. But, responsibility does lie with those at the very top of leadership and at the feet of this President.

It is time Congress launch an investigation to end these patterns of abuse. If Congress does not act to right this wrong, I do not trust this Administration will. We must condemn these acts of torture and abuse. Given that this resolution completely fails to provide Congress with the tools to initiate such investigations, I am forced to vote no.
http://www.secondbreakfast.net/archives/000263.html
^Bottom of page.

From the Limbaugh site:
"The reason I played this for you is not just to outrage you, but rather to illustrate what I've always told you about liberals. They are condescendingly arrogant. They think you're idiots, not smart enough to make life decisions that will protect you or anybody else -- and if you do come across as intelligent, somebody else had to write it for you because you don't have the guts, brains or ability. Fortney is just typical of how a liberal speaks to an upstart peasant who dares to speak to his congressman."

What's fooked up is that nowhere does Rush seem to explain or investigate why Stark didn't vote for the resolution. If you undersatnd Starks position the letter makes no sense, it doesn't demonstrate "guts, brains or ability" at all. While Stark's comments are uncalled for if Stark can be used as an example of a arrogant liberal than the letter writer is a perfect example of an arrogant conservative trumping facts with ignorant patriotism. But Rush will just focus on the faults of the liberal and ignore the core issue of what was going on with the resolution and why there were objections to it. Is he consciously cultivating the stupid vote or just appealing to his listener base?

If someone tells you that you don't understand the issues, don't worry, they were just an arrogant liberal. The more wrong they say you are really the more they are really proving how right you are. . .
 
Definitely there is at the very least problems with the officers and command structure involved, who could not have failed to be aware of this mischief.

That's why the officers get paid the big bucks, because they're 'responsible' for things. Who was in charge of that prison, and either caused or allowed it to happen? It goes up the chain of command somewhere.

The trade of photographs like trading cards described among British troops (and probably among US troops as well) is equally apalling.

In general, YES. This is a massive failure of policy. Is it poor training and poor selection of people to do jobs for which they were not suited? Are we sending soldiers out to do jobs for which they have not been trained, to be police and jail keepers... based on what criteria, exactly? Luck of the draw? Too poorly behaved to be seen in public? What? I thought they were all supposed to have received special additional training for this sort of job. Perhaps they were doing exactly what they were trained to, and if so, who trained them that way, and who commanded or authorized them to do be so trained?

Then we have the rape cases where soldiers are getting reprimands instead of courts martials.

What the heck really is going on over there?

We won't ever find out if we don't investigate this now.
 

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