Congressman Cunningham Busted for Taking Bribes

[kalen]

Whatever your beliefs about that, there's no evidence whatsoever that he's a pardoning sleaze. He has been extremely tight with the pardon pen both as governor and as president.

Care to put up some money on Cunningham? Say a thousand?

Intriguing, but I don't have that kind of dough, unless you mean italian lire.

If, as you say, "It is equally as plausible that Sylvia Browne will read Karl Rove's mind and get to the bottom of things...", then maybe I could be in line for the million.

How about, when Bush's term is over, the person who was wrong has to start a "I was wrong, so very wrong." thread.

 

[Rob Lister]

Intriguing, but I don't have that kind of dough, unless you mean italian lire.

If, as you say, "It is equally as plausible that Sylvia Browne will read Karl Rove's mind and get to the bottom of things...", then maybe I could be in line for the million.

How about, when Bush's term is over, the person who was wrong has to start a "I was wrong, so very wrong." thread.

I'd like a piece of that action.

 

[Mark]

Whatever your beliefs about that, there's no evidence whatsoever that he's a pardoning sleaze. He has been extremely tight with the pardon pen both as governor and as president.

Care to put up some money on Cunningham? Say a thousand?

Do you really believe that makes everything else OK?!?!

In any case, part of the reason he doesn't have to pardon is he makes sure no one high up ever has to face any charges. That Rumsfeld and Cheney have (so far) skated is a bloody miracle all by itself.

 

[Manny]

Do you really believe that makes everything else OK?!?!

One has nothing to do with the other. In ex-Rep. Cunningham's case I'm disappointed the prosecutors agreed to ask for no more than 10 years as part of the plea agreement -- it seemed their case was strong enough not to have to plead it out at all. In the Plame case there seems to be an awfully capable, diligent prosecutor on the case and I'm pretty confident that any additional alleged wrongdoers will be indicted, and that they and Mr. Libby will get fair trials. In particular, I'm confident that Libby's current argument that Mr. Fitzgerald lacks the jurisdiction to bring the charges he did because he did not seek the Attorney General's permission will be dispatched with extreme prejudice.

In any case, part of the reason he doesn't have to pardon is he makes sure no one high up ever has to face any charges. That Rumsfeld and Cheney have (so far) skated is a bloody miracle all by itself.

Wow. They're good.

 

[Mark]

One has nothing to do with the other. In ex-Rep. Cunningham's case I'm disappointed the prosecutors agreed to ask for no more than 10 years as part of the plea agreement -- it seemed their case was strong enough not to have to plead it out at all. In the Plame case there seems to be an awfully capable, diligent prosecutor on the case and I'm pretty confident that any additional alleged wrongdoers will be indicted, and that they and Mr. Libby will get fair trials. In particular, I'm confident that Libby's current argument that Mr. Fitzgerald lacks the jurisdiction to bring the charges he did because he did not seek the Attorney General's permission will be dispatched with extreme prejudice.

I hope you are correct.

Wow. They're good.

Yes. Yes they are.

 

[jj]

There is literally not a shred of evidence which would support even a conjecture that former Rep. Cunningham, Mr. Libby or any person who might be in the future implicated in the Plame matter will be pardoned. None. It is equally as plausible that Sylvia Browne will read Karl Rove's mind and get to the bottom of things as it is to believe that.

More stuff and nonsense. Why do you imagine that anyone has claimed otherwise.

Apparently you are immune to irony, my suspicion is that you choose to be.

 

[Roadtoad]

Except, Manny, you forget that Republicans usually wait until the end of the President's final term in office before they start issuing the pardons.

Just ask Caspar Weinberger.

 

[jj]

Except, Manny, you forget that Republicans usually wait until the end of the President's final term in office before they start issuing the pardons.

Just ask Caspar Weinberger.

Funny how people forget recent history when it's not on their side, eh?

 

[Manny]

Except, Manny, you forget that Republicans usually wait until the end of the President's final term in office before they start issuing the pardons.

Just ask Caspar Weinberger.

So is it a bet?

 

[jj]

So is it a bet?

Manny wants a bet
Can we set the winning rule?
Perhaps yes or no.

Does it matter?
I'm not so sure of that, though,
Rhetorical, that!

 

[pgwenthold]

Except, Manny, you forget that Republicans usually wait until the end of the President's final term in office before they start issuing the pardons.

Just ask Caspar Weinberger.

"The wind does smell so bittersweet
Like jasper, wine, and sugar
As it has passed through someone's feet
Like those of Caspar Weinberger"

Bloom County

(There's a few more versus before this, but I only remember this part)

 

[Roadtoad]

No, it's not a bet. For one, I don't bet money I don't have, and for another, it's a sucker's bet. I hate stealing money from people.

 

[Manny]

In particular, I'm confident that Libby's current argument that Mr. Fitzgerald lacks the jurisdiction to bring the charges he did because he did not seek the Attorney General's permission will be dispatched with extreme prejudice.

"Walton said today he did not need to 'look far' in the law to reject the claim by Libby's defense team. The judge said there is no question the attorney general can delegate any of his functions."


Maybe a nice chesterfield or an ottoman...

 

[luchog]

I doubt you'd think it was a hotel if you were there, and his actual prison hasn't yet been determined.

When I was in the National Guard, I had a buddy who was a prison guard and worked in several different facilities; including a federal minimum-security prison, where they send the white-collar crooks like Milken and embezzling congresscritters. Not Club Fed, but similar. According to him, it was barely less than a hotel, prisoners had big-screen televisions, weekly conjugal visits, regular furloughs, plenty of cell space (nothing like the overcrowded state and county facilities, or high-security federal pound-me-in-the-a$$ prisons), and generally lived like they were stuck at a reasonably nice Holiday Inn out in BFE.

 

[Roadtoad]

Excuse me:

The son of a bitch violated a public trust. That's NOT where he needs to be spending his sentence.

I would be happier if he spent his sentence, hopefully a lengthy one, in the custody of the State of California, ideally within the walls of San Quentin Prison. He could then lose some weight while he hides his sorry @$$ every night, trying to keep from getting @$$ raped by people he once felt did not deserve some of the most basic civil rights, such as basic security.

He doesn't need a big screen TV, he needs to be working with the Prison Industry Authority, assembling that overpriced, shoddily built office furniture they make for the State of California. He needs to be working 10 hour days in a hot, stuffy warehouse, watching his back, praying that someone doesn't stick a makeshift knife between his ribs. The only regret I have is that he's not going with a lot of company, because there's no way in hell he's the only one.