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[thaiboxerken]

No, you're wrong. I mentioned one nurse could be lying. But, however, there are 3 nurses with first-hand experience. Could they all be lying? Want to bet a life (Terry's) on it? Slippery slope is what this case is all about.

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

 

[Furious]

Analogies are not allowed for debating purposes in this forum? Wow. I love your debating rules.

Evidence is encouraged though.

Whenever you come back with evidence that your three nurses are credible, let me know.

Otherwise I could say the parents want to keep her alive so they can molest her. They called me last night and said so.

Why is my credibility less than the nurses? Explain.

 

[Suddenly]

No, you're wrong. I mentioned they * could* be lying. . Are they all be lying? We'll never know. Want to bet a life (Terry's) on it? Slippery slope is what this case is all about.

We aren't betting a life so much as we are betting the continued maintainence of a body against the will of the owner (Terri), but we do this all the time.

It could be that every prison inmate in America is in prison because of the lies of other witnesses. We will never really know in most cases. Want to bet all these lives on that?

I will. It is the best we can do. The other choice is to abandon the rule of law "just because it is possible we could be wrong."

These nurses could supply hearsay evidence as to a collateral matter. This testimony has no bearing on Terri's condition, and in a legal sense is simple impeachment of the husband as, even if true, it does not show anything as it could be a temporary outburst by someone who has been through an experience that most people cannot imagine, and his actual pattern of conduct shows clearly that he has carefully cared for his wife. Furthermore there are obvious indicia of unreliability to the heresay.

 

[easycruise]

Evidence is encouraged though.

Whenever you come back with evidence that your three nurses are credible, let me know.

Otherwise I could say the parents want to keep her alive so they can molest her. They called me last night and said so.

Why is my credibility less than the nurses? Explain.

Because their statements arn't as fantastical as yours. Evidence that someone is telling the truth? Never happen until we invent a true "lie detector" machine. Maybe in a hundred years or so.

It's more a matter of giving people the benefit of the doubt that don't have an "axe to grind". The nurses seemingly don't have a "dog in this fight". Unfortunately, in this case, you could say that everyone has an axe (depending on your feelings on euthanasia), even the judge!

 

[pgwenthold]

It's more a matter of giving people the benefit of the doubt that don't have an "axe to grind". The nurses seemingly don't have a "dog in this fight".

Says who?

How did you determine this?

 

[Ladyhawk]

Analogies are not allowed for debating purposes in this forum? Wow. I love your debating rules.

Well, the analogy should be at least somewhat relevant to the topic at hand. But, you wanna do analogies? Ok. I'll play. Try this one:

Facts to you are like kryptonite to Superman.

 

[easycruise]

Well, the analogy should be at least somewhat relevant to the topic at hand. But, you wanna do analogies? Ok. I'll play. Try this one:

Facts to you are like kryptonite to Superman.

Now you're doing what you ridicule me for, i.e. rudeness and personal insults. Glad to know we arn't all that different! LOL.

 

[RandFan]

It's more a matter of giving people the benefit of the doubt that don't have an "axe to grind". The nurses seemingly don't have a "dog in this fight". Unfortunately, in this case, you could say that everyone has an axe (depending on your feelings on euthanasia), even the judge!

I think this is a valid argument. You qualify by saying "seemingly" and admit that they could have an axe to grind depending on their POV of euthenasia.

I agree with your statement. However, after reading THE TERRI SCHIAVO INFORMATION PAGE I'm inclined to believe the husband more than the nurses. JMO.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I don't know why you christians want Terri to be alive anyway, it's not like she can be saved by your god. Your god doesn't want anythign to do with handicapped and disabled people, let alone PVS.

Whosoever ... hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God. ... Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries

 

[Elind]

Because their statements arn't as fantastical as yours. Evidence that someone is telling the truth? Never happen until we invent a true "lie detector" machine. Maybe in a hundred years or so.

It's more a matter of giving people the benefit of the doubt that don't have an "axe to grind". The nurses seemingly don't have a "dog in this fight". Unfortunately, in this case, you could say that everyone has an axe (depending on your feelings on euthanasia), even the judge!

You are clutching at straws without the facts, or logic to support your arguments.

Why do you not consider, for example, that the randomly assigned judge, Greer, (who my family has been in front of in a civil issue and who was found to be very insightful and just by us) has an axe to grind and has ignored all the evidence in front of him, including your nurses.

Why do you not consider that except for these particular allegations, the husband has shown a high regard for the care of his wife and it appears a high disregard for the possibility of profiting from the situation.

Why do you not consider that when it comes to working for God all lies, imaginations and exaggerations are fair?

I could go on, but I'm sure you have read all this before, yet consider it "liberal" logic and therefore dismissable. I think it has nothing to do with liberal or conservative.

 

[nelsondogg]

As the judge pointed out, for her to be telling the truth, nearly everyone involved in this case would need to be part of a massive coverup, including Terri's parents!. Couple this with the fact that this 'nurse' was dismissed for incompetence makes her testimony less than credible. You need to no magic lie detection to figure this out.

The demonization of the husband in this case is contemptable, you should be ashamed of yourself.

In case the decision where the judge states this hasn't been linked to, here it is.

 

[Furious]

Because their statements arn't as fantastical as yours. Evidence that someone is telling the truth? Never happen until we invent a true "lie detector" machine. Maybe in a hundred years or so.

It's more a matter of giving people the benefit of the doubt that don't have an "axe to grind". The nurses seemingly don't have a "dog in this fight". Unfortunately, in this case, you could say that everyone has an axe (depending on your feelings on euthanasia), even the judge!

Agreed, mine are fantastical. But then so are hers.

Here is the affidavit she signed:

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/CIyerAffidavit090203.htm

It was clear to me at Palm Gardens that all decisions regarding Terri Schiavo were made by Michael Schiavo, with no allowance made for any discussion, debate or normal professional judgment. My initial training there consisted solely of the instruction “Do what Michael Schiavo tells you or you will be terminated.” This struck me as extremely odd.

Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Michael Schiavo was focused on Terri’s death. Michael would say “When is she going to die?,” “Has she died yet?” and “When is that bitch gonna die?” These statements were common knowledge at Palm Gardens, as he would make them casually in passing, without regard even for who he was talking to, as long as it was a staff member.

The longer I was employed at Palm Gardens the more concerned I became about patient care, both relating to Terri Schiavo, for the reasons I’ve said, and other patients, too. There was an LPN named Carolyn Adams, known as “Andy” Adams who was a particular concern. An unusual number of patients seemed to die on her shift, but she was completely unconcerned, making statements such as “They are old - let them die.

Both Michael and Adams said that she would be worth more to him if she were dead. I ultimately called the police relative to this situation, and was terminated the next day. Other reasons were cited, but I was convinced it was because of my “rocking the boat.”

If you feel that I am unfairly nitpicking these sections out, its because I believe she has an axe to grind over her termination, and is getting publicity for a possible upcoming wrongful termination suit. Note that she does not comment on what "other reasons were cited".

Problem is, these are only her statements; there is no evidence that what she said was remotely true, even according to Terri's parents.


Is it fantastical to say there is a conspiracy of silence for a nearly an entire major medical facility, local police officials, and amongst Terri's parents who chose not to use this nurse's testimony when appealing and introducing new evidence for this case? I believe so.

I don't find this woman to be credible.

 

[hgc]

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I don't find this woman to be credible.

I saw this woman on TV last night. She claimed that Terri Schiavo sang an aria from Carmen, played contract Bridge with the nurses (and won $$$), cooked and ate Oysters Rockefeller and won the Jeopardy Tournament of Champions. Her credibility is beginning to suffer.