Common Sense

[R.Mackey]

You know, I sometimes wonder whether our constant debunkings ARE having an effect on the loons. Sure, they'll NEVER admit it but being proven wrong over and over again HAS to shake their confidence a bit.

Well, don't despair. Don't forget that, in order to be a Troofer, first you have to ask yourself:

"Even though I've seen it twice, if a jetliner smashed into a building at full speed, starting a fire that raged on entire floors for an hour or more, is it possible for that building to fall?"

... and answer, without doubt or hesitation:

"No freaking way!!"

That's the entrance exam.

It kinda puts all their other blunders into perspective.

 

[bonavada]

someone asked for real explosions.....

found this interesting little clip and youtubed it below. a good example of what a real "footprint CD" may have sounded like at the WTC. of course this building is rather miniscule compared to the towers and the explosive sounds would have been multiplied manyfold. but the i think comparison is fair. i've yet to hear anything like the noises here on the countless videos i've watched of 9/11.



BV

 

[beachnut]

28th can you show us your work one more time I have to show this to my 5th graders next time we work on some math topics.

 

[WildCat]

Yea, but Americans have access to automatic weapons and all kinds of sh***.

Semi-automatic weapons. Full auto requires permission from the police chief.

As for the other thing, yes we have vast herds of cattle.

 

[The Doc]

28th can you show us your work one more time I have to show this to my 5th graders next time we work on some math topics.

I'd save it for the 3rd graders

 

[pvt1863]

Exactly my point.

If one really had knowledge of such a huge crime, one would be highly irresponsible to simply sit on it.

Those who continue to prattle and do nothing easily reveal they have nothing.

O, mah damn. What a shame.

I'm with slingblade on this, and I've said this to CTs before. If I truly believed that the government was conspiring to kill its own citizens and then using that murder as a pretext for war, I would be out joining or raising a militia right now. I am 100% serious about that. Of course, the CTs have no real reply to that. If they say anything, they call me an "extremist" or something, which strikes me as a very odd thing for them to say, given what they believe. [woo]Shadow governments control our lives and spend our blood through murder and war to advance their agenda, but you have to be some kind of nut to talk about taking up arms.[/woo]

I honestly cannot imagine what life is like for them, assuming they really believe all this crap (which I think, deep down, is not the case with most of them). I can't fathom getting up, taking a shower, going to work, coming home, spending free time, and then going to sleep like every other day while knowing that my government committed mass murder of its own people and may do so again. I don't know how someone with this kind of knowledge could sit on a couch and watch TV or spend hours browsing online in a world like that. How can they not do something about it?

Now this is something I do regard as common sense. If a person says that 3000 people have been murdered as an excuse to start a war but doesn't do anything about it, common sense tells me that person doesn't really believe what he is saying.

 

[bonavada]

Yea, but Americans have access to automatic weapons and all kinds of sh***.

aint you never bin to moss side bro?

those yanks may have a monopoly on the woo but we've got our fair share of uzi's over here too

BV

 

[Skibum]

Full auto requires permission from the police chief.

Actually, I believe it requires a federal permit, though where you live it might require permission from the chief as well.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Semi-automatic weapons. Full auto requires permission from the police chief.

requiring permission and actually having it are two very different things, as americans we have access to full auto weapons (very easily in fact)

go to any gun show, buy a full auto gun (full auto will be disabled by law) from the same stand you can buy a kit to re-enable it, lol

my uncle bought a LAW rocket from a gun show (yes, and the kit to re-arm it)

 

[A W Smith]

someone asked for real explosions.....

found this interesting little clip and youtubed it below. a good example of what a real "footprint CD" may have sounded like at the WTC. of course this building is rather miniscule compared to the towers and the explosive sounds would have been multiplied manyfold. but the i think comparison is fair. i've yet to hear anything like the noises here on the countless videos i've watched of 9/11.



BV

In conventional CD the charges are tightly wrapped with geotextile fabric, then chain link fence. then plywood and timber frame around the columns to contain the energy where it is needed most and not outward. I imagine an uncontained CD would be alot louder than the example in this video.

 

[WildCat]

Actually, I believe it requires a federal permit, though where you live it might require permission from the chief as well.

The permit application requires the signature of your local police chief.

 

[WildCat]

requiring permission and actually having it are two very different things, as americans we have access to full auto weapons (very easily in fact)

go to any gun show, buy a full auto gun (full auto will be disabled by law) from the same stand you can buy a kit to re-enable it, lol

my uncle bought a LAW rocket from a gun show (yes, and the kit to re-arm it)

 

[R.Mackey]

requiring permission and actually having it are two very different things, as americans we have access to full auto weapons (very easily in fact)

go to any gun show, buy a full auto gun (full auto will be disabled by law) from the same stand you can buy a kit to re-enable it, lol

my uncle bought a LAW rocket from a gun show (yes, and the kit to re-arm it)

Hate to have to do this to you, but ... evidence?

You can be imprisoned big time for selling a full-auto kit without authorization, and the Gun Show Loopholes were closed years ago. It differs from state to state, of course, but the Feds are involved in any case.

Many rifles are not that easy to convert to full-auto. The classic AR-15 line requires a receiver change, and the receiver is the one piece that the Feds track with impunity.

I also don't buy your LAW story, not at all. Even with an inert warhead the rocket segment is plenty dangerous. I might by a 40mm grenade setup with smoke rounds, if this took place over a decade ago.

In the past, of course, different story. M1 Carbines could be had and converted to full-auto without too much trouble, but that's about it.

 

[pvt1863]

Rifles that are designed to be semi-auto versions of full-auto weapons (AR-15's, SAR's, etc) are designed differently from their full-auto counterparts. Converting the gun to automatic takes significant work and, as R.Mackey points out, often requires a new receiver. Federal law treats receivers just like weapons -- technically, under law, the receiver is the gun.

Also, it is worth pointing out that the LAW might not be illegal on its own, which would explain why it was so easy to get a kit to make it serviceable again. I know a guy who bout a WWII anti-tank gun from a VFW post and then had it restored to working order. It is legal for him to own (he lives in Colorado), and he occasionally goes out and blows up boulders with it. I also know a guy who owns a Sherman tank. Again, perfectly legal where he lives (Pennsylvania).

 

[bonavada]

I imagine an uncontained CD would be alot louder than the example in this video.

exactly. and notice the cutting charge explosions on my youtube CD occur well before collapse begins, where/when exactly does ANY sound similar to these happen on 9/11 before after or during the collapses?

perhaps 28th Kingdom could explain this anomaly?

BV

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Hate to have to do this to you, but ... evidence?

You can be imprisoned big time for selling a full-auto kit without authorization, and the Gun Show Loopholes were closed years ago. It differs from state to state, of course, but the Feds are involved in any case.

Many rifles are not that easy to convert to full-auto. The classic AR-15 line requires a receiver change, and the receiver is the one piece that the Feds track with impunity.

I also don't buy your LAW story, not at all. Even with an inert warhead the rocket segment is plenty dangerous. I might by a 40mm grenade setup with smoke rounds, if this took place over a decade ago.

In the past, of course, different story. M1 Carbines could be had and converted to full-auto without too much trouble, but that's about it.

well the LAW didnt have some trigger mechanism which he was able to buy, hes never tried to fire so it could be missing all the good from inside the warhead

as for the loopholes closed years ago, probably, this was all about 15 years ago

also, he lives in arkansas, where for some reason he and his wife gave eachother ak-47s their first christmas, lol

 

[R.Mackey]

Colorado being one of those states, yes. My recently deceased great-uncle used to be a miner, and had prodigous stocks of dynamite, that he used to no good. Heck, he got arrested for trying to take some on an airplane once, in the 70's... just to bring it home, mind you, not for any dastardly purpose...

I guess I could be wrong about the LAW, but it still seems pretty fantastic to me.

In my home state of California, though, such things are much harder to come by.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Colorado being one of those states, yes. My recently deceased great-uncle used to be a miner, and had prodigous stocks of dynamite, that he used to no good. Heck, he got arrested for trying to take some on an airplane once, in the 70's... just to bring it home, mind you, not for any dastardly purpose...

I guess I could be wrong about the LAW, but it still seems pretty fantastic to me.

In my home state of California, though, such things are much harder to come by.

lets just say, working or not, they have some scary stuff at those hillbilly gun shows, lol

 

[R.Mackey]

No argument there!

I only want to reassure our international readers that, while we are still a savage nation, we are not entirely a lawless one...

 

[bonavada]

Colorado being one of those states, yes. My recently deceased great-uncle used to be a miner, and had prodigous stocks of dynamite, that he used to no good. Heck, he got arrested for trying to take some on an airplane once, in the 70's... just to bring it home, mind you, not for any dastardly purpose...

someone i once knew spent 2 months in prison for using dynamite to poach salmon. and i don't mean poach as in a fanny craddock type of way.
he also used to catch those fish using a petrol electric generator and a long copper rod..somehow.

BV