Common Sense

[CHF]

Exactly. Something like that.

I've already stated what I believe to be true, in another post. But 28th and his ilk are sooooo convinced of their own truth, I wonder that they are willing to JAQ off here, rather than try to save the rest of us.

What a waste of time, when lives are at stake. I mean, they are, aren't they? We keep getting called shills for believing what we believe.

What are those of you who believe our government did this to its own people, and yet do nothing with what you know? You can prove this! You keep saying it over and over. So prove it! Save us!

Or shut up.

Frankly, I think a lot of twoofers say what they do cuz they like being a part of something.

Let's face it - if the twoofers HONESTLY thought Bush was capable and willing to kill 3,000 Americans in such an intricate plot....would they parade around on message boards or at Ground Zero announcing that they know this? Hell no! They'd be terrified of Bush's goons kicking down their door and dragging them off to a mass grave.

That they apparently DON'T fear this is revealing.

 

[Architect]

Surely they'd emigrate (but, like, who would have them?)

 

[Bell]

Surely they'd emigrate (but, like, who would have them?)

Mahmoud Ahmawhatshisface of Iran.

 

[Horatius]

Quoting myself, I now have evidence that 28th thinks this post:




means I have now converted and believe 9/11 was an inside job. If I will confess to him I believe, he will not tell on me.

I don't quite get this line. Was he trying to blackmail you with PMs or something?

 

[slingblade]

I don't quite get this line. Was he trying to blackmail you with PMs or something?

No, no blackmail. I was free to confess my change of heart, and he would hold it in confidence. I made no such offer to him, however.

That no such change of heart exists, or can be discerned from anything I've said, is indicative of his overall reasoning skills, especially as concerns the written word.

I just think we should change tactics, maybe. It's clear as a concrete core we aren't getting anywhere, so I say it's time to put up or shut up. Make them take this fully public, each and every one of them.

If you think our government did this to us, you are helping them by not making a huge stink, publicly and loudly demanding more investigations, and revealing more openly what you know.

In fact, CTers, they could already be planning another one.

In another city.

Which will kill thousands more. Maybe even millions, this time.

What are you doing about it? This is important!! If you had known then what you say you know now, would you have stopped them the first time, or just yakked anonymously on internet forums about it until people laughed at you and could no longer take you seriously?

Your time is running out, boys. Bush is leaving office soon, and the Dems already have control. For our sakes, if you really know anything, you have a duty to us all to declare it.

F&@k the government. The longer you stay here prattling on, the more of a traitor you become to your families, your neighbors, your fellow citizens.

If you know something, start yelling. You have a limited time to be a hero, you know. These chances don't last forever.

 

[Architect]

You'd better watch. One of them might not recognise the irony/sarcasm in that posting and actually go and try and "do" something about it.

 

[slingblade]

You'd better watch. One of them might not recognise the irony/sarcasm in that posting and actually go and try and "do" something about it.

There's no irony, no sarcasm there.

I'm serious. Wouldn't you be? What would you do, or expect others to do, if they had the info the CTers say they have? They say they can prove our own government killed its own people.

Sorry, but in the great big real world, people who have knowledge of crimes and say nothing are called accessories. These guys say they have enough proof that "9/11 was an inside job" that it convinced them. It is a responsible act to do nothing with that info? Is it ethical?

"Loose Change" didn't have quite the effect I'd expect, given the topic. Maybe everyone should try again, and bigger.

I'd suggest they go to the press, but the press is in on it too. All media is in on this huge conspiracy. That "Loose Change" is a film, and films are a form of media...well, that's unfortunate. Okay, all media except for CT media is in on it.

But Im not being sarcastic at all. I'm saying if you have evidence of mass murder and you keep it relatively to yourself, you are complicit in that mass murder. We can JAQ around like this for years, but to what point?

It's time to fish or cut bait, boys. We're nobodies here, for the most part; just average citizens of various countries talking on an internet forum.
You're wasting tme with us. You have important work to do to prevent this ever happening again......don't you?

 

[Architect]

Yea, but Americans have access to automatic weapons and all kinds of sh***.

Starting a political protest or campaigning do not strike me as being the kind of things that the woowoos we deal with would do first.

 

[slingblade]

Yea, but Americans have access to automatic weapons and all kinds of sh***.

Starting a political protest or campaigning do not strike me as being the kind of things that the woowoos we deal with would do first.

Nope, don't go there. If someone takes my advocating that they tell what they know, and turns that into gunfire, how on earth am I responsible?

You expect me to now be afraid of them, and so I, too, must remain quiet? How is that an ethical or responsible act?

If you told me in confidence that you knew who murdered the man next door, I would suggest you go to the police. How is this any different, really?

 

[Architect]

You've assuming that the likes of 28th or Remove Bush are sane!

I mean, look at the likes of them that think GWB carried out a military coup and really is the great Satan (I might agree with the last bit, but onyl if Satan is really stupid)



Actually you have a good underlying point; they don' have sufficient confidence in their own opinion to actually do anything constructive. They don't get off their arses and actually do ANYTHING except whine online. Compare and contrast with (say) Gravy.

 

[slingblade]

Actually you have a good underlying point; they don' have sufficient confidence in their own opinion to actually do anything constructive. They don't get off their arses and actually do ANYTHING except whine online. Compare and contrast with (say) Gravy.

Exactly my point.

If one really had knowledge of such a huge crime, one would be highly irresponsible to simply sit on it.

Those who continue to prattle and do nothing easily reveal they have nothing.

O, mah damn. What a shame.

 

[Architect]

Which takes us back neatly to whether the believe it - truly, madly, deeply that is.



I still think they should be kept away from automatic weapons and small children.

 

[Kage]

I really don't see these guys running around with guns. They may be angry, but above that, they are spineless.

 

[Gravy]

...Actually you have a good underlying point; they don' have sufficient confidence in their own opinion to actually do anything constructive. They don't get off their arses and actually do ANYTHING except whine online.

Well, they got 1,000+ people to gather in New York and wear t-shirts on 9/11 last year. Their goal was to get mainstream media attention by shouting "9/11 was an inside job."

They failed to get the media attention, but what if they had? What if 100 camera crews and reporters surrounded them and wanted to hear their story?

Twoofers: "9/11 was an inside job!"

100 reporters: "Why do you say that?"

Twoofers: "We demand a new investigation!"

100 reporters: "Why do you say that?"

Twoofers: "The 9/11 Commission report was a whitewash!"

100 reporters: "Why do you say that?"

Twoofers: "The NIST report was a sham!"

100 reporters: "Why do you say that?"

Twoofers: "9/11 was an inside job!"


And that's it. That's all they've got.

 

[CHF]

Well, they got 1,000+ people to gather in New York and wear t-shirts on 9/11 last year. Their goal was to get mainstream media attention by shouting "9/11 was an inside job."

They failed to get the media attention, but what if they had? What if 100 camera crews and reporters surrounded them and wanted to hear their story?

Twoofers: "9/11 was an inside job!"

100 reporters: "Why do you say that?"

Twoofers: "We demand a new investigation!"

100 reporters: "Why do you say that?"

Twoofers: "The 9/11 Commission report was a whitewash!"

100 reporters: "Why do you say that?"

Twoofers: "The NIST report was a sham!"

100 reporters: "Why do you say that?"

Twoofers: "9/11 was an inside job!"


And that's it. That's all they've got.

There are two reasons why nothing gets done with the twoofer message.

1) they aren't confident enough to make a serious effort

2) if they do get the media attention they so desire, the media WILL seek another opinion when it comes to their claims - most likely from engineers and other experts.

And we all know where that leads.

 

[CHF]

they don' have sufficient confidence in their own opinion to actually do anything constructive. They don't get off their arses and actually do ANYTHING except whine online.

You know, I sometimes wonder whether our constant debunkings ARE having an effect on the loons. Sure, they'll NEVER admit it but being proven wrong over and over again HAS to shake their confidence a bit.

It's one thing to be humiliated on a message board; it's quite another matter if that humiliation is public.

Imagine if one of the typical one-sided twoofer-debunker exchanges was shown on a CNN talk show.

Imagine if Stephen Jones submitted his junk paper to an engineering journal for peer-review.

No wonder the twoofers prefer the comfort of the LC boards!

 

[28th Kingdom]

Twoofers: "9/11 was an inside job!"

100 reporters: "Why do you say that?"

Twoofers: "We demand a new investigation!"

100 reporters: "Why do you say that?"

Twoofers: "The 9/11 Commission report was a whitewash!"

100 reporters: "Why do you say that?"

Twoofers: "Because they said [FONT=verdana, arial, sans-serif]the core of each WTC Tower consisted of a hollow steel shaft that just had elevators and stairwells in it. That's WHY!" [/FONT]

Twoofers: "The NIST report was a sham!"

100 reporters: "Why do you say that?"

Twoofers: "Because, their job was to investigate the collapses of the WTC buildings... but they didn't investigate a single event of the collapses of the WTC buildings. They investigated the initiation of the collapses... but, gee - we all know that the upper mass falling is what initiated the collapse... what we need to know (more than what caused the initiation) is how these marvels of structural engineering and design, managed to crumble to the ground in less than 15 seconds. Forget that the buildings collapsed... we need to know why they collapsed all the way to the ground... and so quickly. That's kind of dangerous you know... we might want to figure out the culprit, so that other buildings can design against such devastating global failures in the future."

Twoofers: "9/11 was an inside job!" (bolded content 28IQ)

There... you omitted some facts... hey, do you work for the media? Well, you should... you have that technique down perfect. They (media) would probably take the above interview and prune (edit) it down to what you had.

 

[CHF]

28th - you STILL don't understand why 140,000 tons would smash through a building like it wasn't there?

Still need NIST to provide a Dora The Explorer cartoon to explain what is bloody obvious to the rest of us?

I can just imagine how you'd respond to an investigation into an airstrike in a war zone.

The investigation could find out who was killed, when, where, who fired the missile and why....but you'd demand to know HOW the missile tore apart the victims' bodies. As if there's some doubt as to how that happens.

That's basically what you're doing with the WTC.

 

[Gravy]

There... you omitted some facts... hey, do you work for the media? Well, you should... you have that technique down perfect. They (media) would probably take the above interview and prune (edit) it down to what you had.

Twoofers: "Because they said [FONT=verdana, arial, sans-serif]the core of each WTC Tower consisted of a hollow steel shaft that just had elevators and stairwells in it. That's WHY!" [/FONT]

Was the 9/11 Commission report an engineering report? No, it wasn't. The construction of the towers was irrelevant to the report.

As an aside, though, do you think if the cores had been "hollow steel shafts" they would have fared less well? Provide justification for your answer.

Twoofers: "Because, their job was to investigate the collapses of the WTC buildings... but they didn't investigate a single event of the collapses of the WTC buildings. They investigated the initiation of the collapses... but, gee - we all know that the upper mass falling is what initiated the collapse... "

False. You really should read that ol' NIST report. Even the FAQ. You can't be so lazy that you refuse to read a few pages, can you?

Yes, of course you can. How sad.

 

[DarkMagician]

Beating the dead horse:

What do you believe the shaft is made of?

If you believe they were stairwells and elevator shafts, how much air is in a stairwell or an elevator shaft? No need for exact numbers.

If it is something else, how much air would be in that shaft? Do show evidence.

This is probably tossing pearls before swine, but in the least, I'll end up on 2+8's ignore list.