Common Sense

[Arus808]

Why do you believe that Americans are unwilling to kill other innocent Americans?

On the level that you are suggesting, its not only inconceivable, its highly preposterous.

NO one in OUR GOVERNMENT has ever killed thousands of american lives willingly.



unsubstantiated crap deleted since you aren't even going to see this post.

 

[uk_dave]

So it doesn´t really matter what NIST says? I mean
if they mentioned the whole collapse in the way 28th
would like to hear, he still wouldn´t believe them,
right?

Yep, because he's already made his mind up based upon his lack of imagination, internet videos and his lack of comprehension.

Still, he's kept you busy for a while making badges, so it's not all bad.

 

[Skibum]

Still, he's kept you busy for a while making badges, so it's not all bad.

I wish he would post an updated ignore list, so I can see if I've qualified for a badge yet. Everyone else seems to have one.

 

[babazaroni]

So it doesn´t really matter what NIST says? I mean
if they mentioned the whole collapse in the way 28th
would like to hear, he still wouldn´t believe them,
right?

Yes, it's basically hopeless.

The only way would be to model his thought processes and try to find a way through.

 

[Arus808]

i wish he would just go away, since he's not here for a debate (his ignore list shows that isn't) and he just wants to repeat the same tired excuses that CT's who have come here before and long been debunked have used.

I propose that anytime he asks a question that has already been addressed that you answer with the post or reply that was used in anotehr thread.

keep it simple. LONG explanations do no interest this troll.

 

[Oliver]

*snip* Still, he's kept you busy for a while making badges, so it's not all bad.

That´s it - you are on ignore.

 

[Skibum]

keep it simple. LONG explanations do no interest this troll.

And confuse him beyond belief, I might add.

 

[28th Kingdom]

So... we all agree now. 9/11 is an inside job, right? Cooool. High-Fives...

 

[Kage]

I still have yet to see a response to the fact that the towers collapsed at nowhere near freefall speeds. I would submit this as proof that explosives were not used, but I know better so I will just say that this makes it very unlikely. How are explosives more likely than say, a huge team of suicide welders who cut the beams at just the right time?

 

[Arus808]

typical CTer when presented with facts and haven't listened to one word of it, he summarizes that 'hes' won

Please go play with your playmates in the sandbox. The adults here do not have time to deal with babies.

 

[Oliver]

So... we all agree now. 9/11 is an inside job, right? Cooool. High-Fives...

Nope.

Why do you think wasn´t it suspicious at all to
Jowenko that the towers collapsed? He said he
did not wonder that this would and did happen.

 

[28th Kingdom]

I still have yet to see a response to the fact that the towers collapsed at nowhere near freefall speeds. I would submit this as proof that explosives were not used, but I know better so I will just say that this makes it very unlikely. How are explosives more likely than say, a huge team of suicide welders who cut the beams at just the right time?

I guessed you missed my video that showed the towers completely fell in approx. 11 seconds, 14 at the most...but I'm pretty sure that impact at 14 seconds was the upper mass hitting about 3 seconds after the lower floors reached the ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAKzhlOdB-I

 

[Yawn]

This thread has become ridiculous, it died at these points:

The application of your physics and calculations onto the collapses of WTC 1 & 2... is the thing beyond my senses.

Mackey... don't you understand how abstract your calculations are? In fact... that's a great word to describe all of the verbiage I've heard from NIST and others on here... just abstract data and terms... that cannot be applied to the physical world of sight and sound and/or converted into visual simulations... because they are inconceivable i.e. unimaginable i.e. not plausible.

28K, your arguments have the robustness of the intellectual equivalent of cooked spaghetti.

NIST had crippled information by failing to include explosives as a possible suspect in their investigation... and as such - they came up with some unbelievable theories which don't even being to explain the most perplexing events of the collapses, namely, the speed at which the buildings fell, the exploding walls with nothing touching them on WTC 2, and the miracle failure of the core columns.

Whilst laudable that you have not resorted to personal
attacks on any member here I would dispute that you are not insulting
many here by a consistent refusal to own up to the fact that these 'details' have been explained to you, in some depth, and at the expense of some not inconsiderable time by posters with much patience and a considerably better grasp of even the most basic knowledge required to discuss these topics than you appear to display.

 

[beachnut]

Why do you believe that Americans are unwilling to kill other innocent Americans? Why... when thousands of Americans kill thousands of other innocent Americans every year... do you think these murders are like, "Wait a second... I can't kill you... you're my fellow American."

Here's the problem... if you are a good person (which I would hope you to be) a patriot and an honorable man... than I can understand how it might be hard for you to believe that people are capable of murdering innocent people, whether foreigners or their own countrymen... for sheer profit and greed. Nonetheless, do not project this good-heartedness onto others (especially the extremely elite and powerful) for that is naive of you to think that other people can't be filled with this heartless cruelty...just because you're not. Some individuals will kill any and everyone (regardless if it's their own countrymen) if it brings them more wealth and power... and that's a well documented fact throughout history.

Politicians (democrats and republicans) are the scummiest people on the earth. I'm not saying that if you have political beliefs associated with these parties that you are scum... and, I'm not talking about conservative and liberal beliefs per se... I'm talking about the elected individuals (politicians) who manipulate the American people and their morals and values, by projecting this phony image in the media... that preys on their good-heartedness.

The most powerful men throughout history have always been the most barbaric... it has been that way since the beginning of time and it will continue to be that way... And, if that's true... than why can you believe that rulers from other countries will murder their own innocent people, but can't believe that elements within the USG are willing to kill its own people?

I think you are blinded by your patriotism...but, trust me - these men responsible for 9/11 are not your fellow countrymen...nationalism means absolutely nothing to them... they only answer to two things, and that is money and power.

Is being blinded by patriotism better or worse than blinded by ignorance as 28th?

Or is he claiming and revealing both as the same time! Is 28th dumb as dirt and thinking he is patriotic cause he thinks he is exposing the CT behind 9/11?

He has pinpointed his problem and trying to project it on rational beings. (debunked and exposed by his own post)

Common Sense has done it again.

 

[28th Kingdom]

This thread has become ridiculous, it died at these points:

28K, your arguments have the robustness of the intellectual equivalent of cooked spaghetti.

Whilst laudable that you have not resorted to personal
attacks on any member here I would dispute that you are not insulting
many here by a consistent refusal to own up to the fact that these 'details' have been explained to you, in some depth, and at the expense of some not inconsiderable time by posters with much patience and a considerably better grasp of even the most basic knowledge required to discuss these topics than you appear to display.

I just want you to read back what you wrote...

 

[Oliver]

Nope.

Why do you think wasn´t it suspicious at all to
Jowenko that the towers collapsed? He said he
did not wonder that this would and did happen.

Well, 28th? What do you know what an expert
on controlled demolitions does not know?

 

[Paul]

I guessed you missed my video that showed the towers completely fell in approx. 11 seconds, 14 at the most

Not faster than free fall then, in fact not even at free fall, now we're getting somewhere.

 

[Arus808]

What I dont get is why these Cter's think that Common Sense trumps scientific theory and evidence?

Do prosecutors go into court to try a person of crime, just using common sense?

AGain, 28th is NOT HERE to have a debate. He's shown that he not here for any debate.

Please, just reply to this troll with a link to previous replies, since LONG EXPLANATIONS are something that he is not interested in.

 

[Firestone]

Oh friend... don't worry I've got a Perry Mason moment coming for you... so roughly, how many feet does an object fall per second at freefall? And, by roughly I mean... as close as you can get it.

You pontificate about "the laws of physics", yet you don't understand the most basic concepts of physics!

Please go and learn "the laws of physics" and then come back to discuss them!

The events of 9/11 include more than the collapses... it's the motive, the opportunity, the admitted evidence we have from the Bush administration about facts surrounding 9/11... the documented history of Israel framing Arab Muslims as terrorists... that is the big picture of 9/11. The fact that explosives were used is the big picture... the exact details of how they were used is not.

Of course, your left-brain hates the big picture... you prefer the myopic metaphysical world of speculative details... where you hold complete dominion over all the facts.

As usual, when a CTist is cornered he cowardly flees to the "big picture".
And to the baseless accusations and insinuations.
Please provide EVIDENCE for Israel executing the 9/11 attacks or retract this baseless (but not unexpected) accusation.

What was the purpose? To investigate the collapses, right? Did NIST investigate the collapses? Yes or No? We will weed out the real loons with this one... cus we have NIST's statement that says they didn't focus on the events of the actual collapses...

Now... do you see why they refuse to provide a simulation for the collapses? BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HAPPENED! Here is where the NIST investigation stops:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-RzwmD8uB8g

NIST's report stops RIGHT WHEN THE COLLAPSE BEGINS! HOW convenient!

Because once the collapse begins COMMON SENSE tells us that the towers will collapse. Go and learn "the laws of physics", and you too will understand this.

You want my help? Okay.... since we didn't know what caused the collapses... and since planted explosives had to at least be considered as a potential cause... and since NIST didn't even factor explosives into their equations or theory... well, I would say that if you are working with crippled information... than you will produce crippled results.

NIST had crippled information by failing to include explosives as a possible suspect in their investigation... and as such - they came up with some unbelievable theories which don't even being to explain the most perplexing events of the collapses, namely, the speed at which the buildings fell, the exploding walls with nothing touching them on WTC 2, and the miracle failure of the core columns.

The NIST is nothing but a big whitewash. What a Fraud.

Nope.
Since there is no evidence whatsoever for explosives, NIST (and everybody else with minimal COMMON SENSE) can rule the CD-hypothesis out.

A general note: once again 28th Kingdom has utterly failed in his attempt to prove anything (except his own ignorance of course).

 

[Firestone]

What I dont get is why these Cter's think that Common Sense trumps scientific theory and evidence?

Do prosecutors go into court to try a person of crime, just using common sense?

AGain, 28th is NOT HERE to have a debate. He's shown that he not here for any debate.

Please, just reply to this troll with a link to previous replies, since LONG EXPLANATIONS are something that he is not interested in.

Well, he may not be interested in them, but others are. I, for one, greatly enjoy the clear explanations of R.Mackey, Architect, and many others on the technical matters.
28th Kingdom (and other trolls like Non Believer or RemoveBush) are a public service to the rest of the forum.