Common Sense

[Oliver]

What are these "squibs" made of? Smoke or dust?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La0LOG2NBM4

Thermate.

(On sundays it´s thermite)

 

[Firestone]

What are these "squibs" made of? Smoke or dust?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La0LOG2NBM4

You know, you debunk yourself by constantly hopping from one item to the other, without ever answering any question.

When will you apologize for claiming that we made your stupid post about freefall up? When will you do the honorable thing?

 

[The Doc]

The 9/11 Truth Strategy:

When Loosing an argument:
1. Accuse the other person of personal attacks
2. Claim they haven't debated your facts
3. Change the Subject
4. Repeat

 

[Horatius]

So... if we all agree that the lower structure (below impact floors) could have held the weight of the upper mass in a hypothetical situation where the impact floors were removed, and the upper mass was slowly lowered onto the lower floors/structure... than what we are saying is that the force from this weight (of the upper mass) falling 50-70 feet is what caused all of the lower floors to fail.

Now NIST...claims this force increased as the collapse progressed because the upper mass was increasing in size (presumably from the floors stacking in some capacity) so, my question is... when the upper floors fell down, and first made impact with the lower structure (below the impact floors) did those floors create any resistance... or do the laws of science not apply here? If they did absorb some of the energy released by the falling upper mass... than did the floors below this point, create any resistance to the upper mass that was hurling downward? And, if so... did they absorb any of the energy? Repeat scenario for remaining floors...

The point I am trying to make... is why doesn't the resistance from each floor... slow the movement of the upper mass... and if you say the mass was growing in size due to pancaking... than what happened to the core columns, since we have all seen that a pancaking of floors wouldn't have taken out the core columns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weqBynRZGG8

Bonus Video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Awq6q5ZZUO4

Thanks.

Doesn't NIST say... the collapse increased in speed as it progressed downwards? Meaning the resistance from the lower floors didn't slow the momentum of the upper mass, but actually increased it.

I talk about probabilities and that makes me a loon... but yet, all of you get to explain your theories with an inexplicable element like chaos. It's the whole... hey man - 4455 happens... anything is possible... it's all left up to chance.

You call this science?

Back to freefall:

"Since the stories below the level of collapse initiation provided little resistance to the tremendous energy released by the falling building mass, the building section above came down essentially in free fall, as seen in videos."

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

So... you all disagree with NIST that the buildings fell at near free fall speeds?

Another simple question... so if the material from the collapsing floors was stacking - wherein increasing the size of the upper mass... what was this material made out of? We know that the large steel outer columns were being blown to bits... and lots of concrete was being smashed into dust... so what indestructible material was the floors made out of?

Let's do a simple math problem... if the section above (upper mass of floors) came down at essentially freefall speeds, and the lower structure/floors were directly below this upper mass... how could the lower structure come down any slower than essential freefall...

What are you saying... I mean just spit the 4473837 3838 out. NIST says the upper mass fell essentially at freefall speeds... are you saying the structure below the falling upper mass fell slower than the upper mass?

No it's not... did you skip 6th grade science class?

The terminal velocity of an object falling towards the earth, in non-vacuum, is the speed at which the gravitational force pulling it downwards is equal and opposite to the atmospheric drag (also called air resistance) pushing it upwards. At this speed, the object ceases to accelerate downwards and falls at constant speed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity

NIST says:

"Since the stories below the level of collapse initiation provided little resistance to the tremendous energy released by the falling building mass, the building section above came down essentially in free fall, as seen in videos ..."

So while you claim... NIST is saying the upper mass feel through the impact floors at free fall... NIST is referring to the floors below i.e. lower structure - the level of collapse initiation i.e. impact floors - providing little resistance...wherein allowing the upper mass to fall at essential free fall.

For example, the terminal velocity of a skydiver in a normal free-fall position with a closed parachute is about 195 km/h (120 mph or 54 m/s).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity

Now you try HERE.

I have dominated all of you on many different topics and in many different threads... and now it's starting to get really stale and boring.. There's just no challenge to it anymore... the only defense you people have are insults and chaotic theories which defy the laws of probability and the physical world....

I really have pity for you all... and have exercised some mercy at times - but when it comes down to me clearly proving NIST wrong... all of you are reduced to nothing more than babbling children... spouting off insults.

Remember, the major difference between truthers and deniers... is that truthers want to unite (with deniers) ... truthers want to be on the same team... truthers don't want conflict... deniers only want conflict... deniers will do anything to remain divided from truthers... And, therein lies the problem...

"All free-falling objects (on Earth) accelerate downwards at a rate of approximately 10 m/s/s (to be exact, 9.8 m/s/s"

Yea they do continue to accelerate...until they reach terminal velocity at which point they cease to accelerate... Anti-sophist you are 744 484829 484 85 4 84928.

All of these calculations coming from the same wizards who brought us this superhuman display of mathematical excellence:

If someone paid 200 million for a building and then received 3 billion on an insurance claim due to the buildings' collapse... but then turned around and built a 5 billion building to replace the first building... well, damn - this poor guy just lost 2 billion dollars...

I'm not kidding, folks... how could I possibly make this 4837 up?

What are these "squibs" made of? Smoke or dust?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La0LOG2NBM4

Out of all the crap he's posted over night, is any of it not partially wrong, totally wrong, misinterpreted, or just made up out of whole cloth?

How can someone post so much, so frequently, and not get anything actually, completely correct? And yet, he still thinks he's smarter and better educated than all of us combined.

Boggles the mind. My mind is Boggled, I tell you!

 

[bonavada]

What are these "squibs" made of? Smoke or dust?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La0LOG2NBM4

hey 28th..

what exactly is your version of 9/11 in new york?
you've argued incessantly the minute details of what happened to the towers but i don't see your overall picture. have you explained this elsewhere? if so please can you give me a link?
thanks IA

BV

 

[MortFurd]

What are these "squibs" made of? Smoke or dust?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La0LOG2NBM4

Actually, those aren't squibs. What you are seeing is puffs of dust and smoke being forced out of windows.

If you would like to see what a real demolition looks like, try here. Or do a Google search for "Landmark tower demolition." There are some really good videos of that one floating around - with sound. Listen to those charges going off!

Question: How come no one heard demolition charges during the collapse of the WTC?

Answer: Because no demolition charges were used.

Question: Why couldn't thermite used instead of demolitions charges?

Answer: Because thermite cuts in the direction of gravity - downwards - and couldn't cut the columns as would be needed.

 

[bonavada]

If you would like to see what a real demolition looks like, try here. Or do a Google search for "Landmark tower demolition." There are some really good videos of that one floating around - with sound. Listen to those charges going off!

another loud example below. and this in a building only about the 10th the size of one of the twin towers.
makes you think huh 28th? or perhaps not.




BV

 

[JimBenArm]

28BrainCells has proven without a doubt he is incapable of learning, admitting when he's wrong, owning up to deliberate lies, and understanding simple engineering concepts. I don't think it's arrogance, or willful ignorance. I think it's a game with him, just to rile us all up. So, I am no longer going to respond to his outrageous nonsense any more. Not going to put him on ignore, just because he's gold for quote material, but not going to respond to him, either.

 

[Firestone]

Out of all the crap he's posted over night, is any of it not partially wrong, totally wrong, misinterpreted, or just made up out of whole cloth?

How can someone post so much, so frequently, and not get anything actually, completely correct? And yet, he still thinks he's smarter and better educated than all of us combined.

I read the posts you quoted a number of times, trying hard to find something that was correct.
Just for the pleasure of proving you wrong.

It was a waste of time.

 

[CHF]

when the upper floors fell down, and first made impact with the lower structure (below the impact floors) did those floors create any resistance... or do the laws of science not apply here?

See, this is what you're not getting.

When 140,000 tons come crashing down, the rest of the structure will NOT stop it. It will slow it down (hense the non free-fall speed) but it won't make a hell of a lot of difference.

 

[Architect]

See, this is what you're not getting.

When 140,000 tons come crashing down, the rest of the structure will NOT slow it down.

Actually it will, however the question is how much; fractions of a second, not seconds.

 

[Horatius]

I read the posts you quoted a number of times, trying hard to find something that was correct.
Just for the pleasure of proving you wrong.

It was a waste of time.

I think the closest to "correct" was his cut-n-paste definition of terminal velocity, but of course he completely misunderstands how that applies to the collapse of the towers - that being, really not much at all.

 

[CHF]

I have dominated all of you on many different topics and in many different threads... and now it's starting to get really stale and boring.. There's just no challenge to it anymore... the only defense you people have are insults and chaotic theories which defy the laws of probability and the physical world....

I really have pity for you all... and have exercised some mercy at times - but when it comes down to me clearly proving NIST wrong... all of you are reduced to nothing more than babbling children... spouting off insults.

Remember, the major difference between truthers and deniers... is that truthers want to unite (with deniers) ... truthers want to be on the same team... truthers don't want conflict... deniers only want conflict... deniers will do anything to remain divided from truthers... And, therein lies the problem...

Are you saying that the Twoof movement is UNITED? Or is trying to be?

Tell me you're not.

Thermite, C4, cargo planes, no planes, mini nukes, laser beams....you clowns couldn't be more divided if you tried.

 

[CHF]

Actually it will, however the question is how much; fractions of a second, not seconds.

You're right. Haven't had my morning coffee yet

 

[JimBenArm]

Are you saying that the Twoof movement is UNITED? Or is trying to be?

Tell me you're not.

Thermite, C4, cargo planes, no planes, mini nukes, laser beams....you clowns couldn't be more divided if you tried.

No, no, it's actually a typo. He meant untie, not unite. As in their straightjackets.

 

[CHF]

Answer: Because thermite cuts in the direction of gravity - downwards - and couldn't cut the columns as would be needed.

And even if thermite could cut vertical beams....how could it be made to do so on hundreds of different beams at the same time?

 

[MortFurd]

And even if thermite could cut vertical beams....how could it be made to do so on hundreds of different beams at the same time?

By placing thermite charges on ALL of the hundreds of beams, of course.

Which you can do. If you are a CTer and ignore reality.

 

[The Almond]

I have dominated all of you on many different topics and in many different threads... and now it's starting to get really stale and boring.. There's just no challenge to it anymore... the only defense you people have are insults and chaotic theories which defy the laws of probability and the physical world....

Perhaps if you didn't have half of the board on ignore, you'd realize how silly you look in these debates. People make rational, intelligent responses to your questions, and you ignore them an jump to the next topic.

I really have pity for you all... and have exercised some mercy at times -

My God, your ego is astounding.

but when it comes down to me clearly proving NIST wrong...

How do you know that you've proved anything?

all of you are reduced to nothing more than babbling children... spouting off insults.

I would suggest reading your membership agreement. This statement is in violation of it.

Remember, the major difference between truthers and deniers... is that truthers want to unite (with deniers)

This statement is hilarious. In the last 6 months Scholars for Truth has split over disagreements about various conspiracy theories, and the Loose Change forum has closed and then reopened with draconian membership policies meant to silence all opposition. Truthers want only to divide and cause trouble.

... truthers want to be on the same team... truthers don't want conflict...

Which is why they all got together on 9/11 and shouted lies and hate speech.

deniers only want conflict... deniers will do anything to remain divided from truthers... And, therein lies the problem...

So we should unite with truthers because...

 

[Fnord]

People, I see one of two courses of action:

1) Ignore 28K and wait for him to go away.
2) Agree with everything he says ... and wait for him to go away.

Arguing with some people only feeds their egos. They become validated solely by the amount of attention they receive, and not by the truth of their words (obviously).

Twoofers are not twoofing to solve or expose a problem. They do what they do to feel important -- that somehow they have a handle on the situation and can solve the problem if only enough people will listen to them.

The trouble is, their lack of evidence turns away the very people that could support their theories.

Too bad. If they would all the effort the use to feed their egos into some real research, they might actually change things for the better.

What a waste.


-Fnord of Dyscordia-

 

[JimBenArm]

People, I see one of two courses of action:

1) Ignore 28K and wait for him to go away.
2) Agree with everything he says ... and wait for him to go away.

Arguing with some people only feeds their egos. They become validated solely by the amount of attention they receive, and not by the truth of their words (obviously).

Twoofers are not twoofing to solve or expose a problem. They do what they do to feel important -- that somehow they have a handle on the situation and can solve the problem if only enough people will listen to them.

The trouble is, their lack of evidence turns away the very people that could support their theories.

Too bad. If they would all the effort the use to feed their egos into some real research, they might actually change things for the better.

What a waste.


-Fnord of Dyscordia-

We can't agree with him, for fear of validating his craziness with "fence-sitters" that come by. So, ignoring him is probably the best course of action. However, I can't seem to place him on ignore, because he truly comes up with some of the most comical ideas I've ever seen, and it's too tempting to ridicule him.

So, I don't know what to do.